In shock UPSC IIIC diagnosis (Incomplete Staging) Update

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  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    edited September 2016 #22

    I'm closer to the beginning

    I'm closer to the beginning of treatment than the end, but still feeling very hopeful. (Feeling quite good overall, since it's been a month since my last chemo treatment and radiation hasn't started yet--sometimes I almost forget I have cancer.) A friend who had stage 3 ovarian cancer with a 25% 5-year survival prognosis said that if anyone had told her she had a 25% chance of getting into Harvard, she'd have thought that was pretty good, so she tried to look at her cancer treatments the same way; she's now 5+ years NED. But I honestly don't know how I'd be feeling if I hadn't found this board.

    Joanne, you're a real inspiration to me!

    Kim, it always gives me a lift to see your posts!

    Thanks, everybody!

     

    Prayers to you, Becca! All

    Prayers to you, Becca! All you ladies are an inspiration to me and my mom. We will fight just as you all have done. Let's encourage each other. I'm so glad to have found you all and will continue to rely on all your support.

    Praying for you, Beccabtown!
    Rebecca

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member

    2 1/2 years NED

    I was diagnosed in June, 2013 with UPSC. Had total hysterctomy and was staged at a Stage IIIC2. One lymph node tested positive. I did 18 chemos of Carboplatin and paclitaxol one 5 brachytherapy. Nothing easy about it but doable. I was sixty seven and dianosis and finished treatment Feb. 2014. I just had my six month checkup in July and all clear for another six months. My gyny/onc does not do CT or Pets for followup and the CA125 is not a good marker for me. I feel good - I have pretty severe neourapthy in my feet and a few holes in the memory but overall am doing great. I always had the attitude that I would beat this and never considered another outcome. However; after saying that, each six month exam is just one more step forward in this journey. You have been given lots of good advice about what to ask and one step at a time but I just wanted to give you one more name and story that is successful as of today. My husband was diagosed with bi-lateral kidney cancer one month before me and my daughter 1 1/2 years later was diagnosed with breast cancer. We are all doing great; a testament that we are definetly stronger that we think going into this. 

    Joanne, thank you so much for

    Joanne, thank you so much for your response. Being that my mom is in a similar state to your initial diagnosis, I am encouraged that she too may conquer her cancer like you have so far. I'm sorry to hear about your husband and daughter, but I'm glad you are all doing great and have weathered through this succssfully. I am impressed by your strength and will and will remember you as an example to follow.

    Thank you so much. Prayers to you and your whole family's continued good health.
    Rebecca

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    rcdeman said:

    Thank you Cindi.

    Thank you Cindi.

    I've looked at all the stats and information online and they were so disheartening with the abysmal survival rates. My mom is only 65 and I really wanted her to have a long happy life. I don't know what I would do without her. I'm so worried and anxious ever since I received the pathology reports and have been crying as this sinks in. I will try to be positive, but it's difficult at the moment. I am taking heart in the fact that there are others here who have survived and are doing well.

    For those who have gone through this, what treatment(s) did you have? I'm afraid my mom will have to go through a second surgical procedure. The doctor was hopeful it was just stage 1A normal endometrial cancer so he did not do ometectomy or remove any of the para-aortic lymph nodes. They did do a peritoneal wash that came out positive. It wasn't until we received the path reports only to discover this was UPSC 3C.

    I will need a lot of support during the coming months, and hope those who have gone through this experience can guide me through this.

    Trying to be positive,
    Rebecca

    Hey Rebecca,

    Hey Rebecca,

    There is a thread that you might find helpful. Several of us documented our chemo journey last year and there is a ton of information on what we did and why. Please check out 'Ladies Going Through Chemo'. I think it will help you understand this better.

    Come back with questions. You will find it easier to be positive once you know what the plan is for your Mom. It is amazing how much better things are to handle when you have a plan.

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member

    Hey Rebecca,

    Hey Rebecca,

    There is a thread that you might find helpful. Several of us documented our chemo journey last year and there is a ton of information on what we did and why. Please check out 'Ladies Going Through Chemo'. I think it will help you understand this better.

    Come back with questions. You will find it easier to be positive once you know what the plan is for your Mom. It is amazing how much better things are to handle when you have a plan.

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

    Thank you Cindi. What a huge

    Thank you Cindi. What a huge thread! I'm still a bit overwhelmed here, but I will definitely take a look at this.

    Best,
    Rebecca

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member

    Hey Rebecca,

    Hey Rebecca,

    There is a thread that you might find helpful. Several of us documented our chemo journey last year and there is a ton of information on what we did and why. Please check out 'Ladies Going Through Chemo'. I think it will help you understand this better.

    Come back with questions. You will find it easier to be positive once you know what the plan is for your Mom. It is amazing how much better things are to handle when you have a plan.

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

    Thank you Cindi. What a huge

    Thank you Cindi. What a huge thread! I'm still a bit overwhelmed here, but I will definitely take a look at this.

    Best,
    Rebecca

  • janaes
    janaes Member Posts: 799 Member
    Rcdeman,  sorry i havent

    Rcdeman,  sorry i havent responded sooner.  Im so glad these wonderful ladies have been there for you and that you are feeling more hope.  I remember when I was going threw all the diagnosis stuff it was real hard.  I got so many mixed messegage. At one point it looked like really good news.  Its what one of my doctors said.  I was only going to have to do radiation.  No chemo.  It looked real good.  When I went to see the radiation doctor he didnt agree and said i needed chemo.  Boy that was hard to hear.  I felt like i was on a rollor coaster for sure.  I had told every one that radiation was the only treatment.  It was so hard to except that the diagnosis was worse than the other doctor thought.  I didnt want to do chemo at all.  It felt like my life would change forever.  My life has changed.  I ended up taking time off work. Im home by myself alot while my kids are at school.  I still struggle with all this stuff at times. but i will tell you this.  Im fighting.  Really fighting.  And to be honest as much as i still hate the chemo stuff, i am glad i am doing it because i know that this is going to give me my best chance at life.  I know now that chemo is the best thing for me.  I had decided at the time that if my cancer was to come back i would be sad i didnt do chemo. There was parts of MMT in my cancer (an aggresive cancer) that i finally saw on my pathology report.  I really do hope the best for your mom.  These ladies here on this forum have given me hope too. Im doing my second to last chemo this thursday.  Please be there for your mom.  My mom works full time and lives 15 minutes from me.  Although our relationship has struggled at times, I am so greatful for some of the really hard things  and sacrafices she has done for me.  I believe in the two of you. 

    lots of love

    Janae

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    janaes said:

    Rcdeman,  sorry i havent

    Rcdeman,  sorry i havent responded sooner.  Im so glad these wonderful ladies have been there for you and that you are feeling more hope.  I remember when I was going threw all the diagnosis stuff it was real hard.  I got so many mixed messegage. At one point it looked like really good news.  Its what one of my doctors said.  I was only going to have to do radiation.  No chemo.  It looked real good.  When I went to see the radiation doctor he didnt agree and said i needed chemo.  Boy that was hard to hear.  I felt like i was on a rollor coaster for sure.  I had told every one that radiation was the only treatment.  It was so hard to except that the diagnosis was worse than the other doctor thought.  I didnt want to do chemo at all.  It felt like my life would change forever.  My life has changed.  I ended up taking time off work. Im home by myself alot while my kids are at school.  I still struggle with all this stuff at times. but i will tell you this.  Im fighting.  Really fighting.  And to be honest as much as i still hate the chemo stuff, i am glad i am doing it because i know that this is going to give me my best chance at life.  I know now that chemo is the best thing for me.  I had decided at the time that if my cancer was to come back i would be sad i didnt do chemo. There was parts of MMT in my cancer (an aggresive cancer) that i finally saw on my pathology report.  I really do hope the best for your mom.  These ladies here on this forum have given me hope too. Im doing my second to last chemo this thursday.  Please be there for your mom.  My mom works full time and lives 15 minutes from me.  Although our relationship has struggled at times, I am so greatful for some of the really hard things  and sacrafices she has done for me.  I believe in the two of you. 

    lots of love

    Janae

    Thank you for your inspiring

    Thank you for your inspiring words, Janae. Like you, everything we're going through right now is overwhelming. Our lives are changing too quickly and we can't go back to how things used to be. I still live with my mom. She's the pillar of our household. I'm not married and I don't have cihildren. She is all I have at the moment. She is so important to me and she was the one who pulled our family through when my dad was ailing with liver cancer. Sadly, he wasn't able to beat it as the cancer had already progressed to an advanced stage. He wasn't even a candidate for surgery.

    Still, we will fight. I pray for strength on my part. I've realized how weak I am compared to my mom, and I'm trying to be stronger for her when she is the one who's ailing this time. I am still working full-time at the moment, but I am considering taking time off. I don't know if I have the strength to juggle both things simultaneously at the moment. At the moment, we don't know what her future treatment will be but we will know in less than two weeks. I pray for speed, containment of her cancer, the doctor's wisdom, and endurance through this.

    I wish you the best as you continue your second to last chemo session. I am completely inspired by all you ladies who are battling with your cancer and can only hope I have just an ounce of your strength. I'm not even the one who's directly suffering! Please pray for my mom as I'm sure she is suffering but surprisingly she has been the one who's been comforting me. It shouldn't be this way. I should be stronger for her.

    Thank you. Hugs and prayers to you,
    Rebecca

  • pinky104
    pinky104 Member Posts: 574 Member
    Stage IVb UPSC Survivor

    Near the end of this month, I will have survived 6 years after having had stage IVb UPSC.  I didn't have any in my lymph nodes, but I had it in my uterus, both ovaries, my omentum (where there was a cake-like formation), and my small intestine.  I was considered stage IVb because it had gone out of my pelvis.  I had surgery and chemo with Taxol (Paclitaxel) and Carboplatin.  I had nothing else done to me besides that (no radiation of any kind, alternative treatments, no special foods or supplements).  When I was diagnosed, I resigned myself to dying.  My little brother, five years younger, who thought I was going to die, dropped dead himself (most likely of a heart attack) while I was going through chemo.  He hadn't been to a doctor in over 10 years and seemed healthy. Life takes many twists and turns and you never know what will happen.  My view was that if you expect the worst and the worst happens, you won't be surprised.  If you expect the worst and the best happens, you'll be happy.  My oncologist wouldn't tell me my chance of survival.  He said that if my cancer had a 90% survival rate, but if I ended up in the other 10%, the 90% survival rate wouldn't help me at all.  I later read that I had about a 9% chance that I'd still be here today with the stage I had (the highest possible stage).  But here I am.  Keep the faith.   

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    edited September 2016 #30
    Wow Pinky!

    It's stories like yours that keep me going day to day and to just let what I'm dealing with sit in the background when I don't need to think about it. I'm so glad you and other ladies who have been NED for awhile come back to this board to retell your stories and let us know how things are going with you. 

    Rebecca, again....breathe before you make any big decisions.  I don't know what you do for a living or what physical issues besides the cancer your mom may have to deal with, but you may want to consider  that your job would be useful for the social connections it provides you and as a distraction from these worries before you take a leave.

    This roller coaster has a lot of ups and downs and the side effects from treatments don't last  the entire time between them. Your mom is going to want some control and independence during this for her own emotional well-being, so take your time and see how it goes for you both.

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    edited September 2016 #31
    Soup52 said:

    It has been almost a year to

    It has been almost a year to this date that I was diagnosed with endometrial clear cell cancer 3c also. I never asked the doctor how long I had to live and I quit looking at the statistics and went through all the treatments which were hysterectomy, radiation both internal and externa, 6 rounds of carbo/taxol. I Finnish treatment in June and had a clear ct scan. Yes, it has a good chance to come back, but I'm determined to live each day in the best way I can. Be there to support and care for your mom. I know it will mean the world to her as my girls have been there for me, often in spirit as they live far away. I am now 63 and I have the will to live. Prayers for you and your mom! I know you can do it:)

    Hi Soup, 

    Hi Soup, 

    Can I ask if you had vaginal brachytherapy?

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    edited September 2016 #32
    Abbycat2 said:

    RC, U am so sorry to hear about your Mom

    As the other women here, I also understand your shock, fear, and uncertainty. My heart and blessings go out to you and your dear Mom. RC.  I have read many professional research papers about Uterine Papillary Serous adenocarcinoma, a rare and always aggressive form of endometrial adenocarcinoma. I was diagnosed almost 3 years ago with UPSC, stage 3a and I am- surprisingl- still alive and cancer free. In fact, I had my chemo port removed on 8/24/16. Your mother may do very well with treatment and can beat this. My chance of a recurrence was about 50/50 at the time of surgery and now it is more like a 25% chance of recurrence. As days go by, it will continue to drop. I will tell you that nothing in my 60 years of living at the time of my diagnosis ever prepared me for the shock and total meltdown that I experienced. I wanted to take control and decide when  my life would end.

    Unless you have been diagnosed with a rare and aggressive cancer, advanced stage which is stage 3 or 4, it is impossible to understand the sheer terror that accompanies such a diagnosis. 

    In the USA, about 3000 or more women a year are diagnosed with this rare form of endometrial cancer.  Unfortunately, rare cancers are not researched much cause there's no profit in it. Also, most uterine cancer patients  have a stage 1, grade 1 Endometriod endometrial cancer which is curable with a hysterectomy.

    Hoping for the best for your Mom, RC.

     

     

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    Hi Abbycat, can I ask what

    Hi Abbycat, can I ask what kind of treatment you received after hysterectomy? Which drugs for chemo? Did you do external or internal radiation or vaginal brachytherapy?

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    edited September 2016 #33
    pinky104 said:

    Stage IVb UPSC Survivor

    Near the end of this month, I will have survived 6 years after having had stage IVb UPSC.  I didn't have any in my lymph nodes, but I had it in my uterus, both ovaries, my omentum (where there was a cake-like formation), and my small intestine.  I was considered stage IVb because it had gone out of my pelvis.  I had surgery and chemo with Taxol (Paclitaxel) and Carboplatin.  I had nothing else done to me besides that (no radiation of any kind, alternative treatments, no special foods or supplements).  When I was diagnosed, I resigned myself to dying.  My little brother, five years younger, who thought I was going to die, dropped dead himself (most likely of a heart attack) while I was going through chemo.  He hadn't been to a doctor in over 10 years and seemed healthy. Life takes many twists and turns and you never know what will happen.  My view was that if you expect the worst and the worst happens, you won't be surprised.  If you expect the worst and the best happens, you'll be happy.  My oncologist wouldn't tell me my chance of survival.  He said that if my cancer had a 90% survival rate, but if I ended up in the other 10%, the 90% survival rate wouldn't help me at all.  I later read that I had about a 9% chance that I'd still be here today with the stage I had (the highest possible stage).  But here I am.  Keep the faith.   

    Wow, you are definitely a

    Wow, you are definitely a miracle. I am very happy for you although I am sorry about your brother. Your oncologist's outlook makes sense... but I don't know if I can make myself have that outlook.

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    edited September 2016 #34
    cindy0519 said:

    Another with UPSC Stage IIIC1

    I was diagnosed with Invasive ductual carinoma ("IDC") one week after my 50th birthday last year, 2015.  I had a mastectomy of my left breast in early June and immediate reconstuction (Alloderm and Tissue Expander).  My reconstruction ended up being my "battle" with breast cancer as the cancer itself was down graded from Stage II to Stage I after surgery.  It was intially set at a clincial stage II due to the size of the tumor but when it was evaluated by pathology it turned out a lot of the tumor was in situ (not yet cancerous) thus the change to Stage I.  I need no further treatment for breast cancer other than staying on Tamoxifen (estrogen blocker since my breast cancer was estrogen receptive).  My "battles" (necrosis, infection, andwound dehiscence) with my reconstruction required 4 additional surgies and eventually led to the removal of the tissue expander in late Aug., 2015.  I thought I was free of all cancer related issues and ready to get back to "normal life" when I was  blindsided by with the UPSC diagnosis at the end of Sept during what was to be a routine gyn visit to monitor me while I was on Tamoxifen (one of the side effects of long term use of this drug is uterine cancer. Though they don't think it caused mine as I was only on Tamoxifen for a few months). I knew even before surgery that because my uterine cancer was serous (Grade 3) I would be facing chemo and possibly radation no matter the stage so I was prepared for this going into my surgery. 

    Like so many others here I too had 6 rounds of chemo - mine was Taxol and Carboplatin.  Chemo was completed in late March and followed by 28 external radiation treatments which were completed in June.  My follow up CT at in early July showed NED!  My onco also does an exam every 3 months as follow up and will only do a CT or PET if issues arise.

    I won't say it's been an easy journey the last year but it has been manageable.  I still worked full time and ran (I do a lot of 5K, 10K, 1/2 marathons normally) when I was able and have enjoyed time with my family.  This is doable depsite what Dr. Google (aka the internet ) has to say!

    Don't be too hard on yourself either.  Being a caregiver is also difficult and emotional!  There is a quote I love because it is so very true in my mind...."when someone has cancer, the whole family and everyone who loves them does too."  Take time to care for yourself too - you deserve it!

    Thank you for your story,

    Thank you for your story, Cindy. It's amazing how much you have gone through and succeeded. How difficult were the external radiation treatments after chemo?

    I am trying to research the effectiveness of different treatments on late stage UPSC. So far, I've read and gathered some treatments that seem promising:
    - platinum-based chemo in combination with paclitaxel with RT.
    - carbo/paclitaxel x18 with vaginal brachytherapy or RT.
    - carbo/taxol x 6 with BT or RT (not sure which is more effective, external or internal)
    - "dose dense" treatment of carbo/taxol x6 with BT

    From your experience and knowledge, what treatment seems to be most effective?

  • cindy0519
    cindy0519 Member Posts: 173
    Another with UPSC Stage IIIC1

    I was diagnosed with Invasive ductual carinoma ("IDC") one week after my 50th birthday last year, 2015.  I had a mastectomy of my left breast in early June and immediate reconstuction (Alloderm and Tissue Expander).  My reconstruction ended up being my "battle" with breast cancer as the cancer itself was down graded from Stage II to Stage I after surgery.  It was intially set at a clincial stage II due to the size of the tumor but when it was evaluated by pathology it turned out a lot of the tumor was in situ (not yet cancerous) thus the change to Stage I.  I need no further treatment for breast cancer other than staying on Tamoxifen (estrogen blocker since my breast cancer was estrogen receptive).  My "battles" (necrosis, infection, andwound dehiscence) with my reconstruction required 4 additional surgies and eventually led to the removal of the tissue expander in late Aug., 2015.  I thought I was free of all cancer related issues and ready to get back to "normal life" when I was  blindsided by with the UPSC diagnosis at the end of Sept during what was to be a routine gyn visit to monitor me while I was on Tamoxifen (one of the side effects of long term use of this drug is uterine cancer. Though they don't think it caused mine as I was only on Tamoxifen for a few months). I knew even before surgery that because my uterine cancer was serous (Grade 3) I would be facing chemo and possibly radation no matter the stage so I was prepared for this going into my surgery. 

    Like so many others here I too had 6 rounds of chemo - mine was Taxol and Carboplatin.  Chemo was completed in late March and followed by 28 external radiation treatments which were completed in June.  My follow up CT at in early July showed NED!  My onco also does an exam every 3 months as follow up and will only do a CT or PET if issues arise.

    I won't say it's been an easy journey the last year but it has been manageable.  I still worked full time and ran (I do a lot of 5K, 10K, 1/2 marathons normally) when I was able and have enjoyed time with my family.  This is doable depsite what Dr. Google (aka the internet ) has to say!

    Don't be too hard on yourself either.  Being a caregiver is also difficult and emotional!  There is a quote I love because it is so very true in my mind...."when someone has cancer, the whole family and everyone who loves them does too."  Take time to care for yourself too - you deserve it!

  • cindy0519
    cindy0519 Member Posts: 173
    rcdeman said:

    Thank you for your story,

    Thank you for your story, Cindy. It's amazing how much you have gone through and succeeded. How difficult were the external radiation treatments after chemo?

    I am trying to research the effectiveness of different treatments on late stage UPSC. So far, I've read and gathered some treatments that seem promising:
    - platinum-based chemo in combination with paclitaxel with RT.
    - carbo/paclitaxel x18 with vaginal brachytherapy or RT.
    - carbo/taxol x 6 with BT or RT (not sure which is more effective, external or internal)
    - "dose dense" treatment of carbo/taxol x6 with BT

    From your experience and knowledge, what treatment seems to be most effective?

    Rebecca,

    I personally thougth the 28 external radiation treatments were not bad.  I was tired, had some diarrhea, and a bit nausea here and there but overall it was very manageable.  I had my treatments first thing in the morning and then immediately went into work. I was tired by 3:30 or so and often went straight home for a nap before eating dinner and going back to bed.

    As far as an overall treatment plan goes, I too did TONS of research and was convienced that I wanted to do a sandwhich approach of 3 chemo cycles, followed by radation, and then another 3 chemo cycles. My gno onc recommended doing a 6 chemo cycles and then discussing raditation but I instisted on the sandwhich approach based on my research. She somewhat reluctantly agreed.  I also sought a second opinion (something I highly recommend your Mom consider too). The second opinion Dr. said there is nothing "wrong" with any approach - it's a bit like choosing a religion - none of them a "better" than the other and all are likely to have the same outcome, its just a mattter of personal preference and what works best for you. He did howevever point out to me rather candidly - that radiation will weaken the body to some extent (will vary by person) and this weakening could potentially make getting the remaining 3 chemo cycles much more difficult (again will vary by person).  He said very point blank "what is going to kill you in a distance recurrance (metastatic disease) not a local recurrence. If you have a local recurrence we can quickly and easily (in most cases) treat it with radiation and/or surgery.  If you cancer metastasizes it will be much harder to control. If it were me....I'd focus on treating the cancer systemically via chemo and then consider radation." He also sang the praises of my current onco and team and said no reason to change a thing in that regard if I need to run anything else by him at any time just call but I am in the best hands possible as is.  I made a call to my gyno-onco when I got to my car and said I wanted to do all 6 chemo cycles together and then do radiation and I never thought about it or allowed myself to second guess the decision again. 

    I beleive all occurances of UPSC are treated with a platinum based chemo as that is what it is most responsive too.  Other than that, it is my belief that our cancer is as individual as each of us are.  What my cancer responds to anothers might not and so fourth.  This of course makes any form of treatment somewhat of a gamble so we must actively participate in our treatment by being open and honest with our treatment team.  Talk to the onco about what you have found, discuss each option and the side effects of each. Get their recommendations and perhaps seek a second, or even a third opinion if necessary, for your family to reach a level of comfort with the chosen treatment plan.  And once it is in place - keep communicating and be flexible. Nothing is in stone...if something isn't working or is making your mom very ill speak up and demand action if it is not immediately taken.  Treatment is rough but side effects can be well managed if everyone works together. 

    Another thing I swear made a huge difference for me was integrative care.  I did accupunture, massage, and worked with a nutritionist from day one and still continue to do so. These services were available through my cancer centers integrative care program. Might be worth looking to see if the cancer center she will get treatment at has such services and scheduling a consultation with them.  A year ago I would have downplayed such services but I truly believe they helped keep nausea at bay, minimized the amount of neuropathy I have, and just helped keep my overall health as good as it could be considering all my body was handling at the time.

    I hope this all helps! 

  • rcdeman
    rcdeman Member Posts: 263 Member
    cindy0519 said:

    Rebecca,

    I personally thougth the 28 external radiation treatments were not bad.  I was tired, had some diarrhea, and a bit nausea here and there but overall it was very manageable.  I had my treatments first thing in the morning and then immediately went into work. I was tired by 3:30 or so and often went straight home for a nap before eating dinner and going back to bed.

    As far as an overall treatment plan goes, I too did TONS of research and was convienced that I wanted to do a sandwhich approach of 3 chemo cycles, followed by radation, and then another 3 chemo cycles. My gno onc recommended doing a 6 chemo cycles and then discussing raditation but I instisted on the sandwhich approach based on my research. She somewhat reluctantly agreed.  I also sought a second opinion (something I highly recommend your Mom consider too). The second opinion Dr. said there is nothing "wrong" with any approach - it's a bit like choosing a religion - none of them a "better" than the other and all are likely to have the same outcome, its just a mattter of personal preference and what works best for you. He did howevever point out to me rather candidly - that radiation will weaken the body to some extent (will vary by person) and this weakening could potentially make getting the remaining 3 chemo cycles much more difficult (again will vary by person).  He said very point blank "what is going to kill you in a distance recurrance (metastatic disease) not a local recurrence. If you have a local recurrence we can quickly and easily (in most cases) treat it with radiation and/or surgery.  If you cancer metastasizes it will be much harder to control. If it were me....I'd focus on treating the cancer systemically via chemo and then consider radation." He also sang the praises of my current onco and team and said no reason to change a thing in that regard if I need to run anything else by him at any time just call but I am in the best hands possible as is.  I made a call to my gyno-onco when I got to my car and said I wanted to do all 6 chemo cycles together and then do radiation and I never thought about it or allowed myself to second guess the decision again. 

    I beleive all occurances of UPSC are treated with a platinum based chemo as that is what it is most responsive too.  Other than that, it is my belief that our cancer is as individual as each of us are.  What my cancer responds to anothers might not and so fourth.  This of course makes any form of treatment somewhat of a gamble so we must actively participate in our treatment by being open and honest with our treatment team.  Talk to the onco about what you have found, discuss each option and the side effects of each. Get their recommendations and perhaps seek a second, or even a third opinion if necessary, for your family to reach a level of comfort with the chosen treatment plan.  And once it is in place - keep communicating and be flexible. Nothing is in stone...if something isn't working or is making your mom very ill speak up and demand action if it is not immediately taken.  Treatment is rough but side effects can be well managed if everyone works together. 

    Another thing I swear made a huge difference for me was integrative care.  I did accupunture, massage, and worked with a nutritionist from day one and still continue to do so. These services were available through my cancer centers integrative care program. Might be worth looking to see if the cancer center she will get treatment at has such services and scheduling a consultation with them.  A year ago I would have downplayed such services but I truly believe they helped keep nausea at bay, minimized the amount of neuropathy I have, and just helped keep my overall health as good as it could be considering all my body was handling at the time.

    I hope this all helps! 

    Thank you so much for your

    Thank you so much for your long informative reply, Cindy. I appreciate this a lot. I wil indeed take your advice and will drill the gyn/onc about the different treatments as well as getting a second and maybe a third opinion.

    My mom has been coughing a lot these days, and I'm just afraid that it may be metastasis to the lungs. I will ask the doctor to do a scan. Do you know which scan is usually more accurate in determining metastasis and spread of UPSC? PET or CT?

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    edited September 2016 #38
    rcdeman said:

    Thank you so much for your

    Thank you so much for your long informative reply, Cindy. I appreciate this a lot. I wil indeed take your advice and will drill the gyn/onc about the different treatments as well as getting a second and maybe a third opinion.

    My mom has been coughing a lot these days, and I'm just afraid that it may be metastasis to the lungs. I will ask the doctor to do a scan. Do you know which scan is usually more accurate in determining metastasis and spread of UPSC? PET or CT?

    PETs vs. CTs vs. MRIs

    Here's a really good link that explains them and their pros and cons:

    http://www.baymoon.com/~gyncancer/library/weekly/aa071601a.htm

  • survivingsu
    survivingsu Member Posts: 134 Member
    Disregard the stats!

    My advice is to disregard the stats and take things one step at a time.  I had small-cell undifferentiated carcinoma in 2009 and the stats were very dismal, some online studies indicating only a 2% survival after 5 years.  I'm glad I didn't read that until well after treatment!  The on-line stuff is out of date, and doesn't account for the individual and the latest expertise/technology/skills.

    One step at a time.  :0)

     

  • cindy0519
    cindy0519 Member Posts: 173
    edited September 2016 #40
    rcdeman said:

    Thank you so much for your

    Thank you so much for your long informative reply, Cindy. I appreciate this a lot. I wil indeed take your advice and will drill the gyn/onc about the different treatments as well as getting a second and maybe a third opinion.

    My mom has been coughing a lot these days, and I'm just afraid that it may be metastasis to the lungs. I will ask the doctor to do a scan. Do you know which scan is usually more accurate in determining metastasis and spread of UPSC? PET or CT?

    Don't be suprized if her

    Don't be suprized if her insurance requires (read they will only pay for) a CT and not a PET.  Dispite being diagnosed with two active cancers, my insurance will not pay for a PET scan so I only have CT's.  The CT's I get do usually include chest to pelvis so they do include a scan of the lungs.

  • MAbound
    MAbound Member Posts: 1,168 Member
    cindy0519 said:

    Rebecca,

    I personally thougth the 28 external radiation treatments were not bad.  I was tired, had some diarrhea, and a bit nausea here and there but overall it was very manageable.  I had my treatments first thing in the morning and then immediately went into work. I was tired by 3:30 or so and often went straight home for a nap before eating dinner and going back to bed.

    As far as an overall treatment plan goes, I too did TONS of research and was convienced that I wanted to do a sandwhich approach of 3 chemo cycles, followed by radation, and then another 3 chemo cycles. My gno onc recommended doing a 6 chemo cycles and then discussing raditation but I instisted on the sandwhich approach based on my research. She somewhat reluctantly agreed.  I also sought a second opinion (something I highly recommend your Mom consider too). The second opinion Dr. said there is nothing "wrong" with any approach - it's a bit like choosing a religion - none of them a "better" than the other and all are likely to have the same outcome, its just a mattter of personal preference and what works best for you. He did howevever point out to me rather candidly - that radiation will weaken the body to some extent (will vary by person) and this weakening could potentially make getting the remaining 3 chemo cycles much more difficult (again will vary by person).  He said very point blank "what is going to kill you in a distance recurrance (metastatic disease) not a local recurrence. If you have a local recurrence we can quickly and easily (in most cases) treat it with radiation and/or surgery.  If you cancer metastasizes it will be much harder to control. If it were me....I'd focus on treating the cancer systemically via chemo and then consider radation." He also sang the praises of my current onco and team and said no reason to change a thing in that regard if I need to run anything else by him at any time just call but I am in the best hands possible as is.  I made a call to my gyno-onco when I got to my car and said I wanted to do all 6 chemo cycles together and then do radiation and I never thought about it or allowed myself to second guess the decision again. 

    I beleive all occurances of UPSC are treated with a platinum based chemo as that is what it is most responsive too.  Other than that, it is my belief that our cancer is as individual as each of us are.  What my cancer responds to anothers might not and so fourth.  This of course makes any form of treatment somewhat of a gamble so we must actively participate in our treatment by being open and honest with our treatment team.  Talk to the onco about what you have found, discuss each option and the side effects of each. Get their recommendations and perhaps seek a second, or even a third opinion if necessary, for your family to reach a level of comfort with the chosen treatment plan.  And once it is in place - keep communicating and be flexible. Nothing is in stone...if something isn't working or is making your mom very ill speak up and demand action if it is not immediately taken.  Treatment is rough but side effects can be well managed if everyone works together. 

    Another thing I swear made a huge difference for me was integrative care.  I did accupunture, massage, and worked with a nutritionist from day one and still continue to do so. These services were available through my cancer centers integrative care program. Might be worth looking to see if the cancer center she will get treatment at has such services and scheduling a consultation with them.  A year ago I would have downplayed such services but I truly believe they helped keep nausea at bay, minimized the amount of neuropathy I have, and just helped keep my overall health as good as it could be considering all my body was handling at the time.

    I hope this all helps! 

    Cindy

    What you posted is just so timely for me as I've been reading about so many others having the 'sandwich" technique and was starting to second guess why it was never proposed for me. I've been wondering if I missed out on something that would give me better odds if I end up having radiation therapy. I will sleep so much better tonight because you took the time to share your story. Thank you so much!