sex after hysterectomy and chemo

Ladies,

OK, this is personal and embarrassing but....

Had my fourth try at intercourse since my hysterectomy and I still hurt (a lot) and have slight bleeding afterwards.

I used the KY Jelly as directed. Doesn't seem to make a difference.

I'm 3 weeks out from chemo so I don't think that would cause this.

It has been 5 months since my surgery. Seems like that shouldn't be an issue either.

Now, I'm scheduled in 3 days for my first brachy. Yikes!

If anyone has input but you don't want to post to the world, please email me. I can't imagine this being the end of sex?

Thanks in advance.

Love and Hugs,

Cindi

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  • NoTimeForCancer
    NoTimeForCancer Member Posts: 3,359 Member
    Cindi, I'm single and hope to

    Cindi, I'm single and hope to have sex someday again!  Cool

    I was told the only time the size of a woman's vagina would be affected would be after brachytherapy, and THEN - they give you a dialator to use, in addition to any sex you might have.  They will tell you to use the dialator 3 times a week but a dear warrior friend of ours, Jazzy Jan, said to use it EVERYDAY.  10 minutes, but everyday.

    I'll always be honest with you all, it was hard at first, but it gets easier.  I sometimes have visits with the oncologist associated with my gyn onc's office and she said sex should not be a problem.  The dialator is for life, but that's ok. They come in different sizes and I was told most women use Medium.  My gyn onc said I should try a Large.  Holy cow!!!  I have gotten used to that and the nurse at his office and I laughed about it.  She said she has never seen any woman use the Large and that, "you're the woman".  Ha!  Gotta laugh sometimes.  

    Now, as for the bleeding, I would suggest just calling the doctor's office and ask them about it.  I guarantee you they have heard it before and will be happy to help.  We are sexual beings and there is nothing to be ashamed of.  

    We say "you can ask anything here", and we mean it!

  • Kaleena
    Kaleena Member Posts: 2,088 Member
    I was originally told to use

    I was originally told to use the dialator daily for 10 minutes or have intercourse at least 2x a week.  Was having problems - painful etc.

    I eventually had enough and just gave it up  - my husband is a saint.  

     

     

  • ConnieSW
    ConnieSW Member Posts: 1,678 Member
    Kaleena said:

    I was originally told to use

    I was originally told to use the dialator daily for 10 minutes or have intercourse at least 2x a week.  Was having problems - painful etc.

    I eventually had enough and just gave it up  - my husband is a saint.  

     

     

    Question

    Were any of you told to expect this before surgery?  I wasn't.  It wouldn't have changed the course of things, but I still would have liked to know.  

  • Editgrl
    Editgrl Member Posts: 903 Member
    No sex yet, but...

    back in October, when I had the appointment with radiologist #1, he did a brief internal exam and it was NOT comfortable at all.  He said there was already some stenosis.  From surgery, non-use, whatever.  Afterwards, I tried sticking a finger up there.  Yeah, kinda painful.  I have been using a Cool Water cone in the small size.  Very soft, self-lubing, and I have found that things have gotten better.  When I first started, anything down there just burned like heck.  Now, very little pain.  Might move up to the next size soon.

    Also several years ago, after a "dry spell," when I first started having sex again, it was painful.  At that time, I used Vitamin E suppositories and they helped a lot.  That might be an option.  

    Chris

     

     

  • Editgrl
    Editgrl Member Posts: 903 Member
    ConnieSW said:

    Question

    Were any of you told to expect this before surgery?  I wasn't.  It wouldn't have changed the course of things, but I still would have liked to know.  

    Connie, no.

    This was never mentioned as a side effect of surgery that I remember.  It wouldn't have changed anything for me, either.  Ironically, my BF had prostate surgery about a year ago, followed by radiation, so he has his own set of issues.  We are an interesting pair at this point!

     

  • debrajo
    debrajo Member Posts: 1,095 Member
    No sex

    It happened to me.  I had the surgery, chemo,brancytheropy(5) no one said a thing.  Husband was up for three times a week, but I couldn't even go once, the pain was unbeleable, bleeding and I had the extra two open heart surgerys to contend with.  The dialator was no good at all, husband wasn't happy, I sure wasn't happy about the pain.  I asked why I was different and she told me that the vigina is only 3-4 inches long moist anf flexable.  My surgery took two inches off for the cuff and sewing, the lack of hormones caused the dryness and unflexability, and the brackytheropy radiation burned the inside of the viagina to the point that all mucus membranes were dead.  So I have a two inch viagina that is not moist reguardless of the lubercants, and cannot streach, thus the pain and bleeding.  The last year and a half there has been no sex.  It has cost me my marriage of 46 years.  He told me the other day that he cared for me, but he no longer loved me since all this cancer could have been preventived.  I should have taken better care of myself.  If I die, it won't be from cancer, but a broken heart.  But I chose to live and do everything I could to completely kill the cancer.  Would I do it all over again....yes.  We still live in the same house, but he has no reguard for me because I did this to myself.  You ladies with husband/boyfriends that understand and support you...hang on to them.

    Cindi, you know every one is different and you may be the luck one that it does get better for....I was not so lucky.  Best, Debra

  • Hybridspirits
    Hybridspirits Member Posts: 209
    talk to your gyno/onccologist

    my gyno/oncologist is a woman is very open about this.  I can't recall what she suggested as an alterntaive to KY jelly.  But you could try the dialator for a little until the pain subisdes.  This has been recommended by my gyno.   I do know that with internal radiation you need to use the dialator or have sex at least 2 x a week or you can build up scar tissue and internals will be a problem. 

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member

    talk to your gyno/onccologist

    my gyno/oncologist is a woman is very open about this.  I can't recall what she suggested as an alterntaive to KY jelly.  But you could try the dialator for a little until the pain subisdes.  This has been recommended by my gyno.   I do know that with internal radiation you need to use the dialator or have sex at least 2 x a week or you can build up scar tissue and internals will be a problem. 

    Great Feedback

    Thank you all for the responses! Burning is the correct description for the type of pain. Beyond any I have ever experienced.

    And, NO! I was not told this could be an issue after surgery.

    Chris - where do I get this Cool Water cone ? Never heard of it. Maybe I can do an on-line search?

    I even thought about using an ice pack afterwards.

    The burning is gone now but I'm still quite sore. Hopefully that will resolve before Thursday.

    By the way, the paperwork I got from the Radiologist says to use the dialator EVERY day for 2 weeks then 2-3 Xs per week after that.  Let me just say that if it causes the same kind of pain, I'll never make it on a daily basis!

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    debrajo said:

    No sex

    It happened to me.  I had the surgery, chemo,brancytheropy(5) no one said a thing.  Husband was up for three times a week, but I couldn't even go once, the pain was unbeleable, bleeding and I had the extra two open heart surgerys to contend with.  The dialator was no good at all, husband wasn't happy, I sure wasn't happy about the pain.  I asked why I was different and she told me that the vigina is only 3-4 inches long moist anf flexable.  My surgery took two inches off for the cuff and sewing, the lack of hormones caused the dryness and unflexability, and the brackytheropy radiation burned the inside of the viagina to the point that all mucus membranes were dead.  So I have a two inch viagina that is not moist reguardless of the lubercants, and cannot streach, thus the pain and bleeding.  The last year and a half there has been no sex.  It has cost me my marriage of 46 years.  He told me the other day that he cared for me, but he no longer loved me since all this cancer could have been preventived.  I should have taken better care of myself.  If I die, it won't be from cancer, but a broken heart.  But I chose to live and do everything I could to completely kill the cancer.  Would I do it all over again....yes.  We still live in the same house, but he has no reguard for me because I did this to myself.  You ladies with husband/boyfriends that understand and support you...hang on to them.

    Cindi, you know every one is different and you may be the luck one that it does get better for....I was not so lucky.  Best, Debra

    Debra

    I remember your story and I'm so sorry that you have zero support. Not sure why anyone would think you can do anything to control getting cancer. Unrealistic expectations all the way around.

    I read something a while back on this site for "alternative" options for sex that does not involve actual penetration. You might want to take a look at it. I am keeping the suggestions in the back of my mind in case.... But, from what you said a while back, he may  not be open to anything else.

    You are very special. And, it truly is HIS LOSS with that attitude. I'm glad you are choosing to live and enjoy your kids and grandkids!

    Stay Strong Debra.

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

     

  • Editgrl
    Editgrl Member Posts: 903 Member

    Great Feedback

    Thank you all for the responses! Burning is the correct description for the type of pain. Beyond any I have ever experienced.

    And, NO! I was not told this could be an issue after surgery.

    Chris - where do I get this Cool Water cone ? Never heard of it. Maybe I can do an on-line search?

    I even thought about using an ice pack afterwards.

    The burning is gone now but I'm still quite sore. Hopefully that will resolve before Thursday.

    By the way, the paperwork I got from the Radiologist says to use the dialator EVERY day for 2 weeks then 2-3 Xs per week after that.  Let me just say that if it causes the same kind of pain, I'll never make it on a daily basis!

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

    Cool Water Cones

    Yes, they have a website with more information.  http://www.coolwatercones.com/

    You store the cone in the refrigerator so it is cold when you use it.

    They send 2 day priority mail in discreet packaging.

  • Lou Ann M
    Lou Ann M Member Posts: 996 Member
    debrajo said:

    No sex

    It happened to me.  I had the surgery, chemo,brancytheropy(5) no one said a thing.  Husband was up for three times a week, but I couldn't even go once, the pain was unbeleable, bleeding and I had the extra two open heart surgerys to contend with.  The dialator was no good at all, husband wasn't happy, I sure wasn't happy about the pain.  I asked why I was different and she told me that the vigina is only 3-4 inches long moist anf flexable.  My surgery took two inches off for the cuff and sewing, the lack of hormones caused the dryness and unflexability, and the brackytheropy radiation burned the inside of the viagina to the point that all mucus membranes were dead.  So I have a two inch viagina that is not moist reguardless of the lubercants, and cannot streach, thus the pain and bleeding.  The last year and a half there has been no sex.  It has cost me my marriage of 46 years.  He told me the other day that he cared for me, but he no longer loved me since all this cancer could have been preventived.  I should have taken better care of myself.  If I die, it won't be from cancer, but a broken heart.  But I chose to live and do everything I could to completely kill the cancer.  Would I do it all over again....yes.  We still live in the same house, but he has no reguard for me because I did this to myself.  You ladies with husband/boyfriends that understand and support you...hang on to them.

    Cindi, you know every one is different and you may be the luck one that it does get better for....I was not so lucky.  Best, Debra

    Debra

    How horrible to be told that you could have prevented cancer.   I also think it is very unfeeling for him to want sex when he knows that you are suffering through it.  Almost everyday I hear something that reaffirms how blessed I am to have the husband that I have.      47 years in February.  

    We have solved the sex problem, by finding other ways to be intimate.  He understands how very tired I am, and I think he is afraid of hurting me.  We do a lot of cuddling.  Not ruling it out in the future, but not right now.  Lou Ann

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    Editgrl said:

    Cool Water Cones

    Yes, they have a website with more information.  http://www.coolwatercones.com/

    You store the cone in the refrigerator so it is cold when you use it.

    They send 2 day priority mail in discreet packaging.

    Thanks Chris!

    Ordered! Great information on the site too.

  • EZLiving66
    EZLiving66 Member Posts: 1,482 Member
    debrajo said:

    No sex

    It happened to me.  I had the surgery, chemo,brancytheropy(5) no one said a thing.  Husband was up for three times a week, but I couldn't even go once, the pain was unbeleable, bleeding and I had the extra two open heart surgerys to contend with.  The dialator was no good at all, husband wasn't happy, I sure wasn't happy about the pain.  I asked why I was different and she told me that the vigina is only 3-4 inches long moist anf flexable.  My surgery took two inches off for the cuff and sewing, the lack of hormones caused the dryness and unflexability, and the brackytheropy radiation burned the inside of the viagina to the point that all mucus membranes were dead.  So I have a two inch viagina that is not moist reguardless of the lubercants, and cannot streach, thus the pain and bleeding.  The last year and a half there has been no sex.  It has cost me my marriage of 46 years.  He told me the other day that he cared for me, but he no longer loved me since all this cancer could have been preventived.  I should have taken better care of myself.  If I die, it won't be from cancer, but a broken heart.  But I chose to live and do everything I could to completely kill the cancer.  Would I do it all over again....yes.  We still live in the same house, but he has no reguard for me because I did this to myself.  You ladies with husband/boyfriends that understand and support you...hang on to them.

    Cindi, you know every one is different and you may be the luck one that it does get better for....I was not so lucky.  Best, Debra

    I'm so sorry, Debra.  How can

    I'm so sorry, Debra.  How can your husband think this is somehow your fault?  That's just crazy!  I am lucky because I have never felt so loved and protected and it just breaks my heart you have to go through this alone.  (((Debra)))

    Love,

    Eldri

  • Kaleena
    Kaleena Member Posts: 2,088 Member

    Thanks Chris!

    Ordered! Great information on the site too.

    KY Jelly

    judt for informational purposes if you use KY Jelly or other lubricants a day prior to your Pap smears if your doctors still do them (all my doctors did except my new one) that it can cause an abnormal result in the test.   Not always but that's a possibility so if it happens not to worry

  • debrajo
    debrajo Member Posts: 1,095 Member
    Thank you all!

    You ladies are wonderful!   After re-reading my post I can see where I come across as angry and negitive.  The last thing I want to do is discourage anyone from internal radiation!  I've tried all the "fix-it" things and perscription gels and for about three years they worked to an extent.  Sex was tollerable, but the last 18 months I guess the scar tissue just got worse, plus, I'm old! LOL!  I don't miss the sex(I was married at 18), and to tell the truth, I'd rather be cancer free.  It's just the tenderness and and my youth I miss!  Thank you all again!  Hugs to all of you!  Debra

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    debrajo said:

    Thank you all!

    You ladies are wonderful!   After re-reading my post I can see where I come across as angry and negitive.  The last thing I want to do is discourage anyone from internal radiation!  I've tried all the "fix-it" things and perscription gels and for about three years they worked to an extent.  Sex was tollerable, but the last 18 months I guess the scar tissue just got worse, plus, I'm old! LOL!  I don't miss the sex(I was married at 18), and to tell the truth, I'd rather be cancer free.  It's just the tenderness and and my youth I miss!  Thank you all again!  Hugs to all of you!  Debra

    Debra

    You did NOT come across as negative or angry. Just sad. And rightfullly so. I suspect many of us are mad for you however!

    Hard to say whether my libido will ever come back.So much energy directed at treatments at the moment. But, I do still want the "connection" that intimacy provides. Like LouAnn said, there are other ways to get that. And, I'm lucky - my husband is very understanding and open to ideas. I wish that were true for you as well.

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

     

  • TAyers
    TAyers Member Posts: 86 Member
    painful sex

    Cindi,

    When we first started after surgery , I would have some slight bleeding as well. It does eventually heal. My doctor recommended Astroglide and it is great, we never go without it. Sometimes even know if my husband and I aren't positioned a certain way it will be uncomfortable. After my brachytherapy and I healed for awhile. I used the dilators everyday. Or I would tell my husband it I would need stretched, lol. My libido is terrible, but his is not. He never once ever made me feel bad about anything,so I am blessed and will hang unto him. Any other questions don't hesitate. 

    Tami

  • TeddyandBears_Mom
    TeddyandBears_Mom Member Posts: 1,811 Member
    TAyers said:

    painful sex

    Cindi,

    When we first started after surgery , I would have some slight bleeding as well. It does eventually heal. My doctor recommended Astroglide and it is great, we never go without it. Sometimes even know if my husband and I aren't positioned a certain way it will be uncomfortable. After my brachytherapy and I healed for awhile. I used the dilators everyday. Or I would tell my husband it I would need stretched, lol. My libido is terrible, but his is not. He never once ever made me feel bad about anything,so I am blessed and will hang unto him. Any other questions don't hesitate. 

    Tami

    Tami

    Thanks very much for sharing your experience!

    Seems like we all have similar stories...

    I'll try the Astroglide. Great name, right?! lol

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

  • ConnieSW
    ConnieSW Member Posts: 1,678 Member

    Tami

    Thanks very much for sharing your experience!

    Seems like we all have similar stories...

    I'll try the Astroglide. Great name, right?! lol

    Love and Hugs,

    Cindi

    Astroglide

    i remember others recommending it.  I think Alexandra was one.

  • Fayard
    Fayard Member Posts: 438 Member
    Hola,
    I only had surgery and

    Hola,

    I only had surgery and chemo, about 5 years ago, and I still have issues with sex. The dryness is the main cause of the problem. Because I am so dry now, it hurts when having intercourse. I use Aloe Cadabra lubricant gel, but it is still uncomfortable. While in treatment, I did not have sex for about a year. We now have sex, sometimes, every two weeks. My husband is a a sweet heart.