Second Chemo Session Started - Hmmm, Houston is This Maybe The Start of The Fun?

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  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    John212 said:

    Getting caught up here

    I've been absent for a few weeks - a longish story - so I'm glad I was able to get caught up on your progress here. All of the things you're experiencing are common with oxaliplatin patients. For me, the jaw pain when eating disappeared within a day or so of pump disconnect and then it went away completely around the mid-point of my treatments. Same with the shards of glass feeling in the throat, so I wonder if they're somewhat related.

    I noticed the first bit of cold sensitivity my very first day on the pump with 5FU, and it was startling. Last March in Chicago, so it was probably in the upper 40s in the evening. I stood outside talking with a friend for a few minutes after a meeting, and when I got into my car I could feel tingling in my fingers. I'd bring this up with your oncologist and ask him/her about strategies for minimizing the onset of neuropathy. There are some techniques available that have shown some promise, such as wearing ice-cold mittens and foot wraps to force the blood away from your extremities during treatment. I know there's a strong Integrated Care unit at Memorial Sloan Kettering so they may well have some answers for you in this vein. Don't let this slide: attack it now to minimize the long-term damage.

     

     

    About A Week

    Seems where it starts becoming normal again.  The Friday/Saturday are the real tired days.  A lot less tingling in the fingers and toes compared to the second one, or so I think.  Couple of new things, the metal/cool taste/feeling in my throat and abdomen.  Small sips of room temperture drinks seems to be okay.  But need to be small.  

    The upper 40s was where I had the reaction, on round 2, to the cold in the hands and toes.  And it happened extremely quickly, under a minute.  The ocologist seems to be generally of the mindset of dialing things back if the symptoms get too severe.  His goal is 9 sessions with the Ox, 12 altogether.  After 9 he thinks the risk of neuropathy issues far outweigh the incremental benefit of the Ox in the mix.

    I need to call the Integrated Care to see what they can add.  My oncologist has no issues with those things as long as it has not shown to be detrimental.  So things, such as huge does of x or the rest, can be issues.  There is also another doctor who works in integrated oncology I will try to see.

  • Yolllmbs
    Yolllmbs Member Posts: 360 Member
    NewHere said:

    About A Week

    Seems where it starts becoming normal again.  The Friday/Saturday are the real tired days.  A lot less tingling in the fingers and toes compared to the second one, or so I think.  Couple of new things, the metal/cool taste/feeling in my throat and abdomen.  Small sips of room temperture drinks seems to be okay.  But need to be small.  

    The upper 40s was where I had the reaction, on round 2, to the cold in the hands and toes.  And it happened extremely quickly, under a minute.  The ocologist seems to be generally of the mindset of dialing things back if the symptoms get too severe.  His goal is 9 sessions with the Ox, 12 altogether.  After 9 he thinks the risk of neuropathy issues far outweigh the incremental benefit of the Ox in the mix.

    I need to call the Integrated Care to see what they can add.  My oncologist has no issues with those things as long as it has not shown to be detrimental.  So things, such as huge does of x or the rest, can be issues.  There is also another doctor who works in integrated oncology I will try to see.

    I had the

    same reactions.  My tiredness came the day after the pump was removed.  I've been finished with chemo for 6 months now.  I smile when I read your posts.  I remember posting in the same way.  It's so exciting to see those numbers go down!  Good luck with your neuropathy.  My neuropathy got bad enough to stop treatment in round 9.  ( I was supposed to have 12).  I do still have the tingling in my hands and feet.  On occassion, I will get sharp pains.  I take lyrica and that helps tremendously.  I have the constant sensation that I'm holding a crayon with my toes.  It's just an odd sensation.  I lose my balance easily but honestly I wasn't graceful before.  All signs of pain in the jaws and cold sensation are long gone.  Pretty soon, you'll be sharing your story with those that are just beginning.

     

    Best,

     

    Yolanda

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Yolllmbs said:

    I had the

    same reactions.  My tiredness came the day after the pump was removed.  I've been finished with chemo for 6 months now.  I smile when I read your posts.  I remember posting in the same way.  It's so exciting to see those numbers go down!  Good luck with your neuropathy.  My neuropathy got bad enough to stop treatment in round 9.  ( I was supposed to have 12).  I do still have the tingling in my hands and feet.  On occassion, I will get sharp pains.  I take lyrica and that helps tremendously.  I have the constant sensation that I'm holding a crayon with my toes.  It's just an odd sensation.  I lose my balance easily but honestly I wasn't graceful before.  All signs of pain in the jaws and cold sensation are long gone.  Pretty soon, you'll be sharing your story with those that are just beginning.

     

    Best,

     

    Yolanda

    I Am Sure I Will

    Everyone here has been great.  I started "paying it forward" in the hospital two days after the surgery and in the waiting room for some people I have run into more than once who had concerns.  The example set by everyone here is one to try to emulate to as much as possible.  :) 

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Four Down

    Made it through 4 so far, number 5 hook up next week.  All the things are lasting longer, but managable.  Ordered some things for the feet, the insoles and some other massage type items.   The tired part is building up and lasting longer.  The pattern is the day after the disconnect, day 4 of the two week cycle, it hits.  This time I slept a good chunk of two days. Still thinking I am being lazy and blowing things off, more so as I approach the 10 day mark, but even yesterday just crashed for a 3 hour nap.  Oh well.

    On the good news front, I get hooked up on Mondays and Memorial Day is coming so had to arrange the schedule.  So will have two 17 day cycles instead of 14. The Onc said he prefers slightly longer interval rather than shorter.  Will be at the half-way point and I am looking forward to it as a vacation or sorts with some extra good days.  One victory at a time Sealed

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,796 Member
    NewHere said:

    Four Down

    Made it through 4 so far, number 5 hook up next week.  All the things are lasting longer, but managable.  Ordered some things for the feet, the insoles and some other massage type items.   The tired part is building up and lasting longer.  The pattern is the day after the disconnect, day 4 of the two week cycle, it hits.  This time I slept a good chunk of two days. Still thinking I am being lazy and blowing things off, more so as I approach the 10 day mark, but even yesterday just crashed for a 3 hour nap.  Oh well.

    On the good news front, I get hooked up on Mondays and Memorial Day is coming so had to arrange the schedule.  So will have two 17 day cycles instead of 14. The Onc said he prefers slightly longer interval rather than shorter.  Will be at the half-way point and I am looking forward to it as a vacation or sorts with some extra good days.  One victory at a time Sealed

    I Remember it Well.

    (Thats a song I believe)

    I remember feeling guilty for being 'Lazy'. Once I did push myself, and fell over doing the dishes. 

    Sleep if your body wants to sleep. Crash, if your body wants to crash. I doubt there's a lazy bone('s, Sleeping in the Sun' Thats another song) in your body. 

    Keep on keeping on. You'll be past this and looking back, soon. 

    Sue - Trubrit

  • Easyflip
    Easyflip Member Posts: 588 Member
    Trubrit said:

    I Remember it Well.

    (Thats a song I believe)

    I remember feeling guilty for being 'Lazy'. Once I did push myself, and fell over doing the dishes. 

    Sleep if your body wants to sleep. Crash, if your body wants to crash. I doubt there's a lazy bone('s, Sleeping in the Sun' Thats another song) in your body. 

    Keep on keeping on. You'll be past this and looking back, soon. 

    Sue - Trubrit

    Yep!

    Time to take a break and go to Margaritaville, if you can take the cold drink! Lol

    Easyflip/Richard

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Trubrit said:

    I Remember it Well.

    (Thats a song I believe)

    I remember feeling guilty for being 'Lazy'. Once I did push myself, and fell over doing the dishes. 

    Sleep if your body wants to sleep. Crash, if your body wants to crash. I doubt there's a lazy bone('s, Sleeping in the Sun' Thats another song) in your body. 

    Keep on keeping on. You'll be past this and looking back, soon. 

    Sue - Trubrit

    I Am Keeping On

    For sure.  When people ask, I tell them I really can't complain.  And in the grand scheme of things, I really can't complain.  I do not recommend this for people's "to do" list of course, but I have one person who is recently diagnosed who I have been letting them know, it is doable and beatable.

    Passing on the all good things from here to others.  As mentioned more than once, everyone here rocks and I am so glad I found this place.  

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Easyflip said:

    Yep!

    Time to take a break and go to Margaritaville, if you can take the cold drink! Lol

    Easyflip/Richard

    Very Much So

    Today it is easing and having water with crushed ice.  YES!!!  Margarita sounds good.  Maybe sometime in the next couple of days, though have not been drinking during this.  But one margarita isn't going to be that bad.  With the stuff they pump into me every other week, a drink isn't going to do much damage :)  Considering a beer this evening for the hockey game.

    One thing for sure, Sunday night have a lemon ice ready to go.  Love them and figure the night before is a good time.  

  • JanJan63
    JanJan63 Member Posts: 2,478 Member
    NewHere said:

    I Am Keeping On

    For sure.  When people ask, I tell them I really can't complain.  And in the grand scheme of things, I really can't complain.  I do not recommend this for people's "to do" list of course, but I have one person who is recently diagnosed who I have been letting them know, it is doable and beatable.

    Passing on the all good things from here to others.  As mentioned more than once, everyone here rocks and I am so glad I found this place.  

    The neuropathy is different

    The neuropathy is different for everyone. I was like you for the first few sessions and then I got a lot worse. It was winter here so that didn't help. I found that even the handles of the inside doors in the house would make me jump. The feeling of swallowing small rocks was the worst, though. I'd get it on my face just walking to my car after a treatment. I remember one day losing my parking pass and having to get out of the car trying to find it and my cheeks prickling and I was crying. Finally, I got in my car and quickly drove out while the gate was still up behind someone else. Within minutes I found my pass after I got out, of course.

    I hope yours gets no worse. I'd had chemo in the spring but without the oxy and had no side effects whatsoever.

    Jan

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    JanJan63 said:

    The neuropathy is different

    The neuropathy is different for everyone. I was like you for the first few sessions and then I got a lot worse. It was winter here so that didn't help. I found that even the handles of the inside doors in the house would make me jump. The feeling of swallowing small rocks was the worst, though. I'd get it on my face just walking to my car after a treatment. I remember one day losing my parking pass and having to get out of the car trying to find it and my cheeks prickling and I was crying. Finally, I got in my car and quickly drove out while the gate was still up behind someone else. Within minutes I found my pass after I got out, of course.

    I hope yours gets no worse. I'd had chemo in the spring but without the oxy and had no side effects whatsoever.

    Jan

    Hoping the Warm Helps

    I think after the second session I had something similar.  Walked maybe 100 feet back and forth from the car to post office and it wasn't that cold.  Sat in car wondering if I could drive before it subsided.  But for about 3-5 minutes was considering calling people to help.  Tomorrow is going to be in the 80s here I think and heading that way for the week.  Would be a good week to have a cold beer and relax, but for the obvious ;)   Tonight though is lemon ices night for sure.

  • Easyflip
    Easyflip Member Posts: 588 Member
    NewHere said:

    Hoping the Warm Helps

    I think after the second session I had something similar.  Walked maybe 100 feet back and forth from the car to post office and it wasn't that cold.  Sat in car wondering if I could drive before it subsided.  But for about 3-5 minutes was considering calling people to help.  Tomorrow is going to be in the 80s here I think and heading that way for the week.  Would be a good week to have a cold beer and relax, but for the obvious ;)   Tonight though is lemon ices night for sure.

    I like

    your avatar. I have a saltwater reef tank. It's been fun having time to take care of it during the off time during my cancer. Have a nice vacation!

    Easyflip/Richard

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Easyflip said:

    I like

    your avatar. I have a saltwater reef tank. It's been fun having time to take care of it during the off time during my cancer. Have a nice vacation!

    Easyflip/Richard

    Figured It Was Time

    Trubrit mentioned doing this, and guess it is better than generic.  Reminds me of good times for sure and looking forward to doing it again.

    Is salt water a banned word?  Figured it out.  Leave a space

    My big vacation in the near future is the two 17 day cycles, got a feeling not much real ones until this is done.  Not a big deal, just counting down then figure out a good one :)  (Well figuring it out now.)  

    How big a tank do you have?  I know salt water tanks take a good bit of work to keep them going properly.   

  • Easyflip
    Easyflip Member Posts: 588 Member
    NewHere said:

    Figured It Was Time

    Trubrit mentioned doing this, and guess it is better than generic.  Reminds me of good times for sure and looking forward to doing it again.

    Is salt water a banned word?  Figured it out.  Leave a space

    My big vacation in the near future is the two 17 day cycles, got a feeling not much real ones until this is done.  Not a big deal, just counting down then figure out a good one :)  (Well figuring it out now.)  

    How big a tank do you have?  I know salt water tanks take a good bit of work to keep them going properly.   

    It's just

    30 gallons. It's called a nano reef. Fish plus lots of corals. A fun hobby!

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,796 Member
    NewHere said:

    Figured It Was Time

    Trubrit mentioned doing this, and guess it is better than generic.  Reminds me of good times for sure and looking forward to doing it again.

    Is salt water a banned word?  Figured it out.  Leave a space

    My big vacation in the near future is the two 17 day cycles, got a feeling not much real ones until this is done.  Not a big deal, just counting down then figure out a good one :)  (Well figuring it out now.)  

    How big a tank do you have?  I know salt water tanks take a good bit of work to keep them going properly.   

    It makes me want to type saltwater six times just to see the asterisk. Really!

    I am on vacation right now. Oregon coast with my husband. I know there are some people who go on vacation during chemo. It would have no wrked for me, because of the bathroom issues. You could try a weekend break if you thought it would help you. 

    You're doing well, and those chemo's will soon be behind you. 

    Sue - Trubrit

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member
    NewHere said:

    Figured It Was Time

    Trubrit mentioned doing this, and guess it is better than generic.  Reminds me of good times for sure and looking forward to doing it again.

    Is salt water a banned word?  Figured it out.  Leave a space

    My big vacation in the near future is the two 17 day cycles, got a feeling not much real ones until this is done.  Not a big deal, just counting down then figure out a good one :)  (Well figuring it out now.)  

    How big a tank do you have?  I know salt water tanks take a good bit of work to keep them going properly.   

    Chemo Travel

    I didn't feel like doing a whole helluva lot during my chemo treatment period, but I also wasn't miserable - just lethargic and tired all the time. Somewhere around treatment #10 I flew back East for a high school reunion (class of 1850, it felt like). The timing was excellent, as I returned a couple days after the reunion and then went in for my scheduled infusion the next day. The flying and airport waiting didn't bother me too much, though by then my feet were always sore when I walked any distance so I just had to grin and bear those interminable airport terminals. I'd say that as long as you can stand the idea of going out to the hardware store or to see a movie, you should be able to take a relatively simple vacation trip. I wouldn't advise trying to do any mountain climbing or an eating tour of Thailand, but it could do your spirit some good to see a different set of four walls for a few days.

  • sflgirl
    sflgirl Member Posts: 220 Member
    John212 said:

    Chemo Travel

    I didn't feel like doing a whole helluva lot during my chemo treatment period, but I also wasn't miserable - just lethargic and tired all the time. Somewhere around treatment #10 I flew back East for a high school reunion (class of 1850, it felt like). The timing was excellent, as I returned a couple days after the reunion and then went in for my scheduled infusion the next day. The flying and airport waiting didn't bother me too much, though by then my feet were always sore when I walked any distance so I just had to grin and bear those interminable airport terminals. I'd say that as long as you can stand the idea of going out to the hardware store or to see a movie, you should be able to take a relatively simple vacation trip. I wouldn't advise trying to do any mountain climbing or an eating tour of Thailand, but it could do your spirit some good to see a different set of four walls for a few days.

    Agreed on vacations

    i have a tattoo of Carpe Diem.  It's much more significant now than when I got it as you might imagine.  Go on vacation (I have 2 planned this year). Worst that can happen is you lose a security deposit, best is you get to go on an uplifting life affirming vacation with people you care about.  Own your time.

     

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    John212 said:

    Chemo Travel

    I didn't feel like doing a whole helluva lot during my chemo treatment period, but I also wasn't miserable - just lethargic and tired all the time. Somewhere around treatment #10 I flew back East for a high school reunion (class of 1850, it felt like). The timing was excellent, as I returned a couple days after the reunion and then went in for my scheduled infusion the next day. The flying and airport waiting didn't bother me too much, though by then my feet were always sore when I walked any distance so I just had to grin and bear those interminable airport terminals. I'd say that as long as you can stand the idea of going out to the hardware store or to see a movie, you should be able to take a relatively simple vacation trip. I wouldn't advise trying to do any mountain climbing or an eating tour of Thailand, but it could do your spirit some good to see a different set of four walls for a few days.

    It was going to be an Anniversary Trip

    My cousin and family are heading to the Carribean to a place my wife and I love.  We were going to tag along, been thinking about it for a couple of years and planned on going until the January news.  Anniversary of us meeting, give or take a week or two.  But we do not get a chance to hang with our cousins enough (they are left coast) so would be fun.

    Looked into travel with the Port and TSA issues.  The timing would be good in terms of chemo session timing, but it would be about 6 hours travel, give or take, and not many flights back if needed.  Will play it by ear and see how the next couple of sessions go.  Perhaps a last minute decision.  Of course scuba diving off the table :)  

    Been making small runs and actually went into the city for a Rangers game.  Does take a bit more out of me, but when they come up I got to try.  Thinking of also maybe a road trip to see my niece and nephews.  

    Weds the 5th session gets disconnected.  :)  The next big thing is a scan sometime after the 6th.  But I am chugging along..

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    sflgirl said:

    Agreed on vacations

    i have a tattoo of Carpe Diem.  It's much more significant now than when I got it as you might imagine.  Go on vacation (I have 2 planned this year). Worst that can happen is you lose a security deposit, best is you get to go on an uplifting life affirming vacation with people you care about.  Own your time.

     

    Hoping To Do So

    Playing it one day at a time right now for things during the sessions and figure if worse comes to worse, maybe pay a bit more for air if I can swing it.  Carpe Diem indeed.  Been using that term a lot lately.  Picked up a new lens for my camera that was a bit pricey.  Figured what the heck, traded in an old lens.  Plan on trying to get out and do some local shooting when I am up for it.  My big passion is UW photo and videos, though I also love above water.  Going to find places where I can get good photographs of wildlife and landscapes.  May try during the weekend.  Figure Thursday and Friday will be sleep days if the pattern holds, but then hopefullly 9 good days in a row.

  • NewHere
    NewHere Member Posts: 1,427 Member
    Easyflip said:

    It's just

    30 gallons. It's called a nano reef. Fish plus lots of corals. A fun hobby!

    Peaceful

    I can stare at fish and coral for hours and go back and forth about getting a tank.

    Cannot wait until I go diving again.

  • Steve444
    Steve444 Member Posts: 105 Member
    NewHere said:

    It was going to be an Anniversary Trip

    My cousin and family are heading to the Carribean to a place my wife and I love.  We were going to tag along, been thinking about it for a couple of years and planned on going until the January news.  Anniversary of us meeting, give or take a week or two.  But we do not get a chance to hang with our cousins enough (they are left coast) so would be fun.

    Looked into travel with the Port and TSA issues.  The timing would be good in terms of chemo session timing, but it would be about 6 hours travel, give or take, and not many flights back if needed.  Will play it by ear and see how the next couple of sessions go.  Perhaps a last minute decision.  Of course scuba diving off the table :)  

    Been making small runs and actually went into the city for a Rangers game.  Does take a bit more out of me, but when they come up I got to try.  Thinking of also maybe a road trip to see my niece and nephews.  

    Weds the 5th session gets disconnected.  :)  The next big thing is a scan sometime after the 6th.  But I am chugging along..

    I hope you end up going

    Some time off is always fulfilling.  When I was 3.5 months into chemo I took a 6 hour flight for a family issue. The plane ride wasn't too bad since we're already used to sitting that long for chemo sessions.  It was good to see family and worked out well with treatment as my next appointment was the day after I returned.  I did get tired quickly and with exhaustion comes the balance issues and stuttering.  If it's in a beachy place, rest should be plentiful and the tan comes quickly on 5FU.  :)  I'm headed to an island in Mexico in a couple days toting along my camera and a couple lenses as well, plan to dive for the first time and film some underwater.  When I come back I start my two month long SIRT treatment.  Hang in there and try not to miss out on enjoying life.  Good memories and experiences help push out the bad ones. 

    Of course, the other side of this is that your immune system is probably compromised, so you need to weigh that in as well...