Exercise with Neuropathy

John212
John212 Member Posts: 116 Member

Like many people who have been treated with Oxaliplatin, I have a pretty sturdy case of neuropathy affecting my feet. They're mostly numb and sore most of the time. It's not so bad that I can't get out of the house to do errands, but walking more than a short bit is pretty uncomfortable. I know I should get more exercise, and now that winter is starting to (slowly) improve, it should be easier to get out to the gym. I like to walk and definitely need to do more aerobic exercises, but the pain is a substantial barrier. I've tried swimming but I just don't enjoy it.

If you have neuropathy affecting your feet, what do you do for exercise?

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  • LivinginNH
    LivinginNH Member Posts: 1,456 Member
    Hi,
    My Rick used to peddle on

    Hi,

    My Rick used to peddle on a stationary bicycle.

    Cyn

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member

    Hi,
    My Rick used to peddle on

    Hi,

    My Rick used to peddle on a stationary bicycle.

    Cyn

    Stationary bike

    That makes sense, as you wouldn't have the constant impact you get in walking or running.

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,796 Member
    Blessed

    I have been blessed in the fact that even though I still have neuropathy in my feet 19 months out from chemo, I have never experienced any pain or soreness.  In fact, I can walk and walk and walk, and my feet are so numb I don't feel when they are sore (which is a problem in itself, I suppose). 

    I know some people take medication, is it Celebrex? The one that is advertised for diabetic foot pain on the telly. 

    You are definitely right in wanting to exercise, it is so important.  I hope your pain lessens soon.

    Sue - Trubrit

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member
    Trubrit said:

    Blessed

    I have been blessed in the fact that even though I still have neuropathy in my feet 19 months out from chemo, I have never experienced any pain or soreness.  In fact, I can walk and walk and walk, and my feet are so numb I don't feel when they are sore (which is a problem in itself, I suppose). 

    I know some people take medication, is it Celebrex? The one that is advertised for diabetic foot pain on the telly. 

    You are definitely right in wanting to exercise, it is so important.  I hope your pain lessens soon.

    Sue - Trubrit

    You're Blessed Indeed

    I don't think there's a problem walking on numb feet, though you wouldn't feel an injury as easily, I suppose. I don't recall seeing Celebrex advertised for foot pain, but I'll look into it.

    Tomorrow I'll be attending a presentation at my hospital on Chemotherapy Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and will report back what I hear, especially regarding exercise. The presenter is a physiotherapist, as I understand it, so this should be a part of his or her expertise.

  • ron50
    ron50 Member Posts: 1,723 Member
    John212 said:

    You're Blessed Indeed

    I don't think there's a problem walking on numb feet, though you wouldn't feel an injury as easily, I suppose. I don't recall seeing Celebrex advertised for foot pain, but I'll look into it.

    Tomorrow I'll be attending a presentation at my hospital on Chemotherapy Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and will report back what I hear, especially regarding exercise. The presenter is a physiotherapist, as I understand it, so this should be a part of his or her expertise.

    Hi John

      I am out to the start of year seventeen of survival. The chemo I had is not supposed to cause neuropathy. I have seen a neurologist and have had nerve conductivity tests. They showed moderate to severe motor sensory peripheral neuropathy of both feet and legs. Because he does not believe in chemo causing neuropathy he stated that he did not know the cause of the problem and refused to treat it. My rheumatologist has tried to help me with lyrica and neurontin , both anti eppileptic meds, as well as endep and norspan and fentanyl patches ,both morphine related. My neuropathy started when I was excercising excessively. I was walking 50 miles a week ,every week for nearly three years. I had to stop when I developed acute pancreatitis , lost my gall bladder and started to suffer badly from neuropathy. All of my docs have suggested non load bearing excercise  like swimming and water aerobics but these days I am just to tired to even think about it. I have been dxed with grade two ankylosing spondylitis , psoriatic arthritis ,osteo arthritis and an unknown auto immune disease of the kidneys causing severe protein loss thru my kidneys. I have had thre kidney biopsies but although they all showed problems , none that relateto known kidney disease. For pain I am currently on targin 40/20 twice a day. That is 40 mg of oxycodone combined with 20 mg of naloxone an opiate antagonist. It does help with the pain but it causes me severe opioid induced constipation. The oxy shuts down my motility and with every dose of targin I have to take two biscodyl and two coloxyl. Be careful with your feet as it is very easy to cause damage that you cannot feel. I was on a high dose of steroids and it caused type two diabetes so I have to be extra careful. I don't feel like losing any toes to gangrene. one thing i have found over the years is that as bad as cancer is , surviving survival at times is just as hard. All the best Ron.

  • abrub
    abrub Member Posts: 2,174 Member
    I recently discovered Zeta Insoles

    I purchased Zeta insoles from Amazon - hard plastic acupressure flat insoles (can be worn over other insoles) and they have made a WORLD of difference.  I can walk much better; my feet feel great with them (some getting used to, but well worth it.)  I've had ongoing neuropathy for years.

    I paid $12.99 at Amazon, and have since ordered several more pairs so that I don't have to switch them all the time.  I wear them in my curling shoes, and my feet handle the ice much better.

    Yes, I sound like an advertisement, but I was so astounded by the relief that I have no words!

    Alice

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,796 Member
    John212 said:

    You're Blessed Indeed

    I don't think there's a problem walking on numb feet, though you wouldn't feel an injury as easily, I suppose. I don't recall seeing Celebrex advertised for foot pain, but I'll look into it.

    Tomorrow I'll be attending a presentation at my hospital on Chemotherapy Induced Peripheral Neuropathy and will report back what I hear, especially regarding exercise. The presenter is a physiotherapist, as I understand it, so this should be a part of his or her expertise.

    Guessing

    Celebrex was a guess and I've not doubt a wrong guess at that. I've seen the advert so many times, I just don't pay attention any more to what the medication is they are pushing. I'm sure someone here will come up with the medication I'm thinking of.

    OK, I just looked it up, it was Lyrica and not Celebrex. 

    Sue - Trubrit

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member
    abrub said:

    I recently discovered Zeta Insoles

    I purchased Zeta insoles from Amazon - hard plastic acupressure flat insoles (can be worn over other insoles) and they have made a WORLD of difference.  I can walk much better; my feet feel great with them (some getting used to, but well worth it.)  I've had ongoing neuropathy for years.

    I paid $12.99 at Amazon, and have since ordered several more pairs so that I don't have to switch them all the time.  I wear them in my curling shoes, and my feet handle the ice much better.

    Yes, I sound like an advertisement, but I was so astounded by the relief that I have no words!

    Alice

    Zeta Insoles

    Thanks for the recommendation. I just looked these over at Amazon. They're a bit more expensive now but most of the buyer reviews are quite positive.

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member
    ron50 said:

    Hi John

      I am out to the start of year seventeen of survival. The chemo I had is not supposed to cause neuropathy. I have seen a neurologist and have had nerve conductivity tests. They showed moderate to severe motor sensory peripheral neuropathy of both feet and legs. Because he does not believe in chemo causing neuropathy he stated that he did not know the cause of the problem and refused to treat it. My rheumatologist has tried to help me with lyrica and neurontin , both anti eppileptic meds, as well as endep and norspan and fentanyl patches ,both morphine related. My neuropathy started when I was excercising excessively. I was walking 50 miles a week ,every week for nearly three years. I had to stop when I developed acute pancreatitis , lost my gall bladder and started to suffer badly from neuropathy. All of my docs have suggested non load bearing excercise  like swimming and water aerobics but these days I am just to tired to even think about it. I have been dxed with grade two ankylosing spondylitis , psoriatic arthritis ,osteo arthritis and an unknown auto immune disease of the kidneys causing severe protein loss thru my kidneys. I have had thre kidney biopsies but although they all showed problems , none that relateto known kidney disease. For pain I am currently on targin 40/20 twice a day. That is 40 mg of oxycodone combined with 20 mg of naloxone an opiate antagonist. It does help with the pain but it causes me severe opioid induced constipation. The oxy shuts down my motility and with every dose of targin I have to take two biscodyl and two coloxyl. Be careful with your feet as it is very easy to cause damage that you cannot feel. I was on a high dose of steroids and it caused type two diabetes so I have to be extra careful. I don't feel like losing any toes to gangrene. one thing i have found over the years is that as bad as cancer is , surviving survival at times is just as hard. All the best Ron.

    Surviving the Survival

    " as bad as cancer is , surviving survival at times is just as hard."

    That is so true, Ron. It's a great line. Thanks for your contribution here. I know that I'm going to have to be pretty careful with exercise as I have a fair amount of numbness in both feet.

  • John212
    John212 Member Posts: 116 Member
    Trubrit said:

    Guessing

    Celebrex was a guess and I've not doubt a wrong guess at that. I've seen the advert so many times, I just don't pay attention any more to what the medication is they are pushing. I'm sure someone here will come up with the medication I'm thinking of.

    OK, I just looked it up, it was Lyrica and not Celebrex. 

    Sue - Trubrit

    Lyrica

    Sue,

    One of the fellows in my men with cancer support group has used Lyrica for years, since he developed diabetic neuropathy a few years ago and then it was made worse by our friend Oxi. He says that it helps. It will be interesting to talk more about this with him tomorrow because I expect him to be at the same presentation I mentioned earlier.

  • Easyflip
    Easyflip Member Posts: 588 Member
    John212 said:

    Zeta Insoles

    Thanks for the recommendation. I just looked these over at Amazon. They're a bit more expensive now but most of the buyer reviews are quite positive.

    I was

    told to take B complex for neuropathy and I rub an aryuvedic oil on my hands-Mahanarayan oil. I have no idea if it's helping because it feels pretty much the same to me. I'm out from chemo 14 months so I'm afraid it might be permanent. I was also suggested acupuncture but have not done it yet. I ride a bike or do the elliptical at the gym. Good luck!

    Easyflip/Richard

  • KMSGJP
    KMSGJP Member Posts: 1
    L- Glutamine for neuropathy

    Hi John212,

    my father just started FOLFOX regimen and I have looked into supplements to help with all side effects. He started taking glutamine powder the week of chemo. the pharmacist agreed that there are studies that show it's effectiveness. Thought this might help. 

    He also exercises on a stationary bike. 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17405895/

  • coloCan
    coloCan Member Posts: 1,944 Member
    KMSGJP said:

    L- Glutamine for neuropathy

    Hi John212,

    my father just started FOLFOX regimen and I have looked into supplements to help with all side effects. He started taking glutamine powder the week of chemo. the pharmacist agreed that there are studies that show it's effectiveness. Thought this might help. 

    He also exercises on a stationary bike. 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/17405895/

    a little more on dealing with neuropathy:

    www.fightcolorectalcancer.org/tag/neuropathy

    (keep in mind date of pub as research is on going)

    An article in healio.com on1/16/14 asserted calcium-magnesium failed to reduce oxi-induced neurotoxcity

     

  • Trubrit
    Trubrit Member Posts: 5,796 Member
    Easyflip said:

    I was

    told to take B complex for neuropathy and I rub an aryuvedic oil on my hands-Mahanarayan oil. I have no idea if it's helping because it feels pretty much the same to me. I'm out from chemo 14 months so I'm afraid it might be permanent. I was also suggested acupuncture but have not done it yet. I ride a bike or do the elliptical at the gym. Good luck!

    Easyflip/Richard

    Richard

    I'm just a few months ahead of you with dates, and have found that dropping my salt intake really helps with the neuropathy in my hands and a little bit in my feet. I'm sure you already know this, but just though 'in case', that I would mention it. 

    Sue -Trubrit

  • annalexandria
    annalexandria Member Posts: 2,571 Member
    I have neuropathy in my feet too

    and have only recently started to push through the pain and try to do some basic aerobic exercise.  This was on the advice of the pain management doc I saw, who felt that the pain was not indicative of further damage, just not pleasant to experience.

    Do you take any pain meds?  I take vicodin 3x per day, and schedule it so that I have one about an hour before I want to exercise.

    Then I do either a reasonably long walk, or an exercise video from Youtube (lots to choose from, I look for one that is no more than 30 minutes and labeled "easy" or "beginner").

    And if you have a smart phone, there are lots of walking apps that allow you to keep track of how much walking you do in a day.  I'm going to get one as I think that will motivate me a bit to take longer walks.

    Finally, I do the indoor exercise in bare feet.  This seems counter-intuitive, but I read somewhere that it might help with neuropathy so I've been trying it.  Have no idea if it really helps, but it doesn't seem to be hurting either.

    Good luck!  I'm 4 years out from chemo and still trying to get my old self back...it's not easy.

  • hippiechicks
    hippiechicks Member Posts: 509 Member
    Hi there .. I can relate to

    Hi there .. I can relate to your foot neuropathy .. I have also had the same issue since my first round with oxali. I have definitly found that wearing a shoe such as Berks or Naot type .. with a very good cork instep has does absolute wonders for me.  It allows me to have the support I need with having such numbness, where the shoe does not fall off yet keeps the arch and toes working. The deep heal sets the foot for the rest of leg support.  I have also heard of some rather cool similar shoes on QVC.  Can't recall the brand at this time .. maybe orthaheel or something.

    Also, just a note .. when I was doing a lot of walking at the gym, wearing sneakers .. I developed a dramatic foot drop.  I was totally unaware until someone pointed out how loud I was on the tred.   My foot was thumping down  rather than walking.   I quit the gym .. and wound up back in Physical Therapy (which I had been in and thought I could do the same at the gym myself). Fortunately, the foot drop was reversed.  But it was almost a year ago, PT every week, my foot had to be retrained to stay in place .. soon after I developed horrible facia issues causing awful pain and I looked like a very old woman trying to walk.  The pain was 8 to 10 daily.  Today I have no pain, my foot issues are much better, my numbness is subsiding, but it has been a long road with constant working.  Massage, stretching, stimulating the nerves, ultrasound, taping, and my good old Berks. Whirlpool helps if you have access.  Also, I would heat them 2xs per day with one of those stick in the microwave heat bags. The neuropathy shooting pains have subsided as well. 

    I do hope this is of some help to you .. PT would be my first suggestion, with good ortho's. Often you can be seen by an ortho specialist through health insurance and possibly get some orthotics made just for you!