Question for Max
i saw the spam the other day about MJ oil. Some guy at work also told me about it. I've done a bit of on line research and it hasnt been disproven. What are your thoughts?
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Hi Jeff
I am interested to see what Max has to say too. However, the way you posed the question about cannabis oil or "hemp/hash oil" will not lead to an answer. The way science works, you can't prove a negative. No one has to prove that it doesn't work someone has to prove that it does work. I had never heard of this use for the product I saw so many people abuse in VietNam all those years ago. I think its a really bad thing when abused. Its also very expensive and arguably addictive. I am sure the producers in North Africa and Asia would love to develop a new market. Of course if it could really cure cancer then I would leap to take but not to smoke it. I hate the smell. I have never as much as taken a single puff of tobacco or other products into my lungs in my entire life. And look at me! I am slim, fit and have cancer while my fat smoking friends do not! Virtue must be its own reward! LOL Maybe cigarettes cure cancer? It seems to be similar to the Kangen water scam or UFOs "proof" in the way anecdotal evidence is presented without research and accompanied by conspiracy theories. "Big Pharma" doesn't want you to have it etc. Took me a while to figure out what MJ oil was LOL.
Have a great rest of the holidays. Chase this puppy down.
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sorryunknown said:Hi Jeff
I am interested to see what Max has to say too. However, the way you posed the question about cannabis oil or "hemp/hash oil" will not lead to an answer. The way science works, you can't prove a negative. No one has to prove that it doesn't work someone has to prove that it does work. I had never heard of this use for the product I saw so many people abuse in VietNam all those years ago. I think its a really bad thing when abused. Its also very expensive and arguably addictive. I am sure the producers in North Africa and Asia would love to develop a new market. Of course if it could really cure cancer then I would leap to take but not to smoke it. I hate the smell. I have never as much as taken a single puff of tobacco or other products into my lungs in my entire life. And look at me! I am slim, fit and have cancer while my fat smoking friends do not! Virtue must be its own reward! LOL Maybe cigarettes cure cancer? It seems to be similar to the Kangen water scam or UFOs "proof" in the way anecdotal evidence is presented without research and accompanied by conspiracy theories. "Big Pharma" doesn't want you to have it etc. Took me a while to figure out what MJ oil was LOL.
Have a great rest of the holidays. Chase this puppy down.
Never heard of the product under discussion here. On a personal level, I would "have my doubts."
Been sick with the flu and then made a brief road trip to Charleston to see family, so have been a little out of the loop. Perhaps a good thing, since I have been accused of being "loopy" in the past.
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Found Answer to Earlier Questionsorry
Never heard of the product under discussion here. On a personal level, I would "have my doubts."
Been sick with the flu and then made a brief road trip to Charleston to see family, so have been a little out of the loop. Perhaps a good thing, since I have been accused of being "loopy" in the past.
Jeff,
In an earlier thread you were looking for causal factors in cancer. This Johns Hopkins study has found the most common reason for many types: random luck. I do not yet know if this study reviewed lynphoma or not, but I do intend to try and get a copy of it.
It concludes that about 70% of cancers have no currently identifiable genetic, environmental, or nutritional cause. It states that they did not study breast or prostate cancer, but as a current prostate cancer patient who has read a lot, I can tell you that the research shows no cause for prostate, other than aging (the disease seldom strikes men under 50, and virtually never strikes men under 40; the median age at diagnosis is 72). Diet has a low correlation, and rates are highest world-wide for black men, and lowest in Asian men. The lowest incidence of prostate cancer in the world occures in Korea, and they do not follow a "Mediterranean Diet," suggested by nutrition experts in Western nations, by any means. Testosterone has some, not clear role, but why testosterone affects the prostate, but not the other organs that it is present in (testicles, urethra, etc) is not known. There is strong BRAC mutation linkage (a gene abnormality test) to breast cancer, but most women who develope breast cancer do not test positive for BRAC 1 or 2 (fewer than 10% of all breast cancer patients test positive for either BRAC 1 or 2).
This study mentions that a few cancers, such as smoking-related lung cancer, and skin cancers, do have clear causality.
It agrees with what I have always belived about cancer: it is the luck of the draw. Some guys pull an ace, some pull a joker. I did not "do anything" to get lymphoma, but cannot convince my mother-in-law of such (she reads fad nutritional magazines all day and night, but has never had a science course in her life). When I showed her the recent, largest-ever-in-history study from Cambridge University, which proved that there is no correlation between saturated fat in diet and coronary heart disease, she threw it at me and would not read it.
I was introduced to a registered dietitcian last year when I began in my long-term "Wellness" program at the cancer center, when I went over five year's clean from lymphoma. The Cambridge study had come out the month before. What did she mostly give me ? Literature on veganism and low-fat in my diet...... I think that the State of California now classifies anything not derived from kale or sea weed (farmed below 500 feet) as a cancer-causing ??
max
From the journal Science itself:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6217/78.short
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Dumb luckFound Answer to Earlier Question
Jeff,
In an earlier thread you were looking for causal factors in cancer. This Johns Hopkins study has found the most common reason for many types: random luck. I do not yet know if this study reviewed lynphoma or not, but I do intend to try and get a copy of it.
It concludes that about 70% of cancers have no currently identifiable genetic, environmental, or nutritional cause. It states that they did not study breast or prostate cancer, but as a current prostate cancer patient who has read a lot, I can tell you that the research shows no cause for prostate, other than aging (the disease seldom strikes men under 50, and virtually never strikes men under 40; the median age at diagnosis is 72). Diet has a low correlation, and rates are highest world-wide for black men, and lowest in Asian men. The lowest incidence of prostate cancer in the world occures in Korea, and they do not follow a "Mediterranean Diet," suggested by nutrition experts in Western nations, by any means. Testosterone has some, not clear role, but why testosterone affects the prostate, but not the other organs that it is present in (testicles, urethra, etc) is not known. There is strong BRAC mutation linkage (a gene abnormality test) to breast cancer, but most women who develope breast cancer do not test positive for BRAC 1 or 2 (fewer than 10% of all breast cancer patients test positive for either BRAC 1 or 2).
This study mentions that a few cancers, such as smoking-related lung cancer, and skin cancers, do have clear causality.
It agrees with what I have always belived about cancer: it is the luck of the draw. Some guys pull an ace, some pull a joker. I did not "do anything" to get lymphoma, but cannot convince my mother-in-law of such (she reads fad nutritional magazines all day and night, but has never had a science course in her life). When I showed her the recent, largest-ever-in-history study from Cambridge University, which proved that there is no correlation between saturated fat in diet and coronary heart disease, she threw it at me and would not read it.
I was introduced to a registered dietitcian last year when I began in my long-term "Wellness" program at the cancer center, when I went over five year's clean from lymphoma. The Cambridge study had come out the month before. What did she mostly give me ? Literature on veganism and low-fat in my diet...... I think that the State of California now classifies anything not derived from kale or sea weed (farmed below 500 feet) as a cancer-causing ??
max
From the journal Science itself:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6217/78.short
this is pretty much exactly what I said in a post a few months back. This is not to say that some cancers are definitely environmental. It just says there is no lifestyle or magic diet that gives immunity from the 70% of cancers caused by our bodies themselves. I once believed but now know that vitamins and food supplements for example give an almost worthless and false sense of control.
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Statisticsunknown said:Dumb luck
this is pretty much exactly what I said in a post a few months back. This is not to say that some cancers are definitely environmental. It just says there is no lifestyle or magic diet that gives immunity from the 70% of cancers caused by our bodies themselves. I once believed but now know that vitamins and food supplements for example give an almost worthless and false sense of control.
statistics lie. All the statistical analysis methodologies require a truly random sample to produce useful and meaningful results. If everyone in your sample already has cancer then right off the sample is not random and cannot be applied except to members of that sample population. Applying such research to the population as a whole simply gives meaningless data points. This can result in attributing cause and effect relationships which are not valid.
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Thanks Max!!Found Answer to Earlier Question
Jeff,
In an earlier thread you were looking for causal factors in cancer. This Johns Hopkins study has found the most common reason for many types: random luck. I do not yet know if this study reviewed lynphoma or not, but I do intend to try and get a copy of it.
It concludes that about 70% of cancers have no currently identifiable genetic, environmental, or nutritional cause. It states that they did not study breast or prostate cancer, but as a current prostate cancer patient who has read a lot, I can tell you that the research shows no cause for prostate, other than aging (the disease seldom strikes men under 50, and virtually never strikes men under 40; the median age at diagnosis is 72). Diet has a low correlation, and rates are highest world-wide for black men, and lowest in Asian men. The lowest incidence of prostate cancer in the world occures in Korea, and they do not follow a "Mediterranean Diet," suggested by nutrition experts in Western nations, by any means. Testosterone has some, not clear role, but why testosterone affects the prostate, but not the other organs that it is present in (testicles, urethra, etc) is not known. There is strong BRAC mutation linkage (a gene abnormality test) to breast cancer, but most women who develope breast cancer do not test positive for BRAC 1 or 2 (fewer than 10% of all breast cancer patients test positive for either BRAC 1 or 2).
This study mentions that a few cancers, such as smoking-related lung cancer, and skin cancers, do have clear causality.
It agrees with what I have always belived about cancer: it is the luck of the draw. Some guys pull an ace, some pull a joker. I did not "do anything" to get lymphoma, but cannot convince my mother-in-law of such (she reads fad nutritional magazines all day and night, but has never had a science course in her life). When I showed her the recent, largest-ever-in-history study from Cambridge University, which proved that there is no correlation between saturated fat in diet and coronary heart disease, she threw it at me and would not read it.
I was introduced to a registered dietitcian last year when I began in my long-term "Wellness" program at the cancer center, when I went over five year's clean from lymphoma. The Cambridge study had come out the month before. What did she mostly give me ? Literature on veganism and low-fat in my diet...... I think that the State of California now classifies anything not derived from kale or sea weed (farmed below 500 feet) as a cancer-causing ??
max
From the journal Science itself:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6217/78.short
Thanks for the reply to my earlier question. Hope things are going well for you as you battle. I pray for you daily. As for the hemp oil, it sounds interesting. I've never been a pot smoker, but I've heard intersting things about the oil. They can make it so you don't have the "high" side affects. Clearly, there needs to be a legitimate study done.
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appreciatedJeff148 said:Thanks Max!!
Thanks for the reply to my earlier question. Hope things are going well for you as you battle. I pray for you daily. As for the hemp oil, it sounds interesting. I've never been a pot smoker, but I've heard intersting things about the oil. They can make it so you don't have the "high" side affects. Clearly, there needs to be a legitimate study done.
Appreciate the kind sentiments, Jeff. Crud going around the house for weeks now; it has evolved into a chest cold.
max
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Pet Passes....appreciated
Appreciate the kind sentiments, Jeff. Crud going around the house for weeks now; it has evolved into a chest cold.
max
You may remember the large black and white cat that was my screen picture for a year or so, Mr. Bib. I am attempting to put the pic back up, but can't find it at the moment.
He died this morning at 7:00 AM. He had been sick off-and-on for a year or so; the vet thought it either kidney diisease or thyroid problems. An agonizing night, bleeding from the mouth, in agony, moaning, making odd nosies, distressed breathing.
He was 15. His mother died in May, at the age of 16.5 years. I remeber the early AM hour when he was born.
A tough one,
max
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MaxPet Passes....
You may remember the large black and white cat that was my screen picture for a year or so, Mr. Bib. I am attempting to put the pic back up, but can't find it at the moment.
He died this morning at 7:00 AM. He had been sick off-and-on for a year or so; the vet thought it either kidney diisease or thyroid problems. An agonizing night, bleeding from the mouth, in agony, moaning, making odd nosies, distressed breathing.
He was 15. His mother died in May, at the age of 16.5 years. I remeber the early AM hour when he was born.
A tough one,
max
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I am so sorry to hear about the death of your beloved Mr.Bib. I understand that kind of loss.
Rocquie
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So Sorry MaxRocquie said:Max
I am so sorry to hear about the death of your beloved Mr.Bib. I understand that kind of loss.
Rocquie
We really grieve for those special ones, they become a very important part of our heart. He was a beautiful cat and know it will be hard to expect him to be there and then remember that he is not. He had a good life, not all do, so thank you. You and your family allowed him to live like a king Our hope is that soon the fond memories will make you smile.
Our love, Becky & Bill
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His friendsillead said:So Sorry Max
We really grieve for those special ones, they become a very important part of our heart. He was a beautiful cat and know it will be hard to expect him to be there and then remember that he is not. He had a good life, not all do, so thank you. You and your family allowed him to live like a king Our hope is that soon the fond memories will make you smile.
Our love, Becky & Bill
Cats have extreme intuition and insight into some things. The night Bib was dying, I went into the laundry room when I got home from work to check on him (we keep our cats in the laundry room at night). He was in a corner, suffering, and ALL of the other cats were huddled at the other far corner, obviously afraid. They clearly knew what was happening, and were upset.
Today, I know it may sound odd, but they seem to be looking for him; their patterns have been different.
When we had Bib's mom euthanized last May (she was 16.5 years old), the vet told me that every time he puts an animal down, all of the dogs and cats in the facility go quiet for several minutes. There is a bording section in the same building, and he told me that he had never known the dog-yapping in the boarding area not stop when an animal died. Remarkable. Elephants go through elaborate, lengthy periods of mourning when a relative in their clan dies.
Thanks to you all for your kind sentiments,
max
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