Can't we all just get along? This is my acute observation of everyone's behavior!-UPDATE

herdizziness said:

Look up who has the highest rate of cancer per capita race wise.  And it's the ALAKAN NATIVE that has the HIGHEST rate.  Since my grandmother is FULL Aleut/Athabascan, my mother half and I a mere quarter.  And our diet back home still remains pretty much the same.  My diet was the Alaska Native diet, eating what we caught, hunted and raised, canned and froze.  Bread, carbs were a rarity, no soda pop, lots of moose meat and caribou sausage though, and don't get me started on Reindeer Sausage (tame caribou technically) because everytime I go back home, I can't help myself, it's Reindeer sausage for breakfast, lunch and dinner, which by the way is processed all naturally.  My mom would plug in the humongous meat grinder and start grinding away, adding natural seasonings, encasing and oh wow, yum, yum!!! (Ours was caribou sausage, but nowadays because I have to buy, I buy Reindeer sausage when I go home) The sausage too, was not eaten a lot growing up, the moose meat, oh yes, first day was the heart, second day was the liver, then when the meat cured, and mom and I had our skinning contests, then the hamburger, roast, steak, etc.,, was packaged and frozen and canned, salmon all the time, halibut all the time, (halibut tastes crappy canned, don't do it) crab all the time, shrimp all the time, telling you I got SICK of the stuff.  Yet, here I sit with colon cancer and a bad ticker.

When my oncologist mentioned a chemo that doesn't work as well with the carb diets that we love in the U.S. as he put it, my husband spoke right up and said, my wife doesn't do bread, when I buy even hamburgers at any restaurant, the bread goes away, not eaten, when I make hamburgers at home, on my plate there's a hamburger patty, next to it cut up tomatoe, then next to that lettuce, next to that pickle and finally a dab of mustard on the plate, then one by one it enters my mouth to be chewed with the flavors combined but not through a bun.

And observed by "Modern Scientist", uh how modern if it were "before diet" was altered, when was it altered, by how much because when I was growing up, again carbs a rarity.  We didn't even get to drink milk from a cow, too expensive.  I only speak for the Alaskan Natives, not sure what the Canadian ones were doing.  Although I'm pretty sure the same thing. 

If it's a diet thing for us, then it's because we were/are unknowningly (still have relatives eating the same old Alaskan Native way) on the darn diet and it hasn't done a thing for us, except make us the highest colon cancer getters.

Go figure.

Winter Marie

nutritional predestination?

Winter Marie, have you considered calcium, vitamin C and D deficiency as an Alaskan, or a transitional Alaska native factor?   Did pre-19th century Inuit really grind and cook all that meat? 

This paper suggests  vitamin C declined in transitional Inuit cultures.  This book, p 133, says, that calcium intake declined as "Inuit mothers no longer chewed animal bones..."

Alaskan toddlers are apparently notorious for low vitamin D.  paper 1, paper 2: "highest prevalence of low vitamin D in toddlers outside of Alaska", paper 3: SE native children deficient in vitamin D, hard to imagine better in Homer. 

bad ticker?  vitamin D deficiency may lead to other diseases including diabetes mellitus, hypertension, infections, asthma and dyslipidemia.

Vitamin D deficiency is still very common for Alaska, should be especially troublesome for people susceptible to CRC.  The pollution in SoCal would filter out the UV for vit D also.  I assure you, conventional MDs there were not on the lookout for vit D deficiency in the 1980s etc.  Also sausage, any way you grind it, is going to be a processed food that is suspicious to say the the least.   Air exposing and cooking the undersaturated fats in game is particularly bad at creating oxidized fats.  The Arctic explorers MWNN mentioned were getting relatively fresh, or frozen, food that I doubt they ground before eating it raw or boiled.  I also have my doubts about the degree of cooked ground meat in the Inuit diet predating the Russian and American traders selling flour, alcohol, and later, mass produced meat grinders.       

So you see Winter Marie, you may have been getting hosed from the start on nutritional factors.

 

 

devotion10 said:

This is just not helpful ...

As we try to get the board back on track and concentrate on the tone of our communications ... this comment:

"So you see Winter Marie, you may have been getting hosed from the start on nutritional factors."

is just so unnecessary.  The facts you present can be a valuable part of the discussion but when you end it with that statement ... it does nothing but seem spiteful.

Also, please note that you seemed to have missed the fact that this discussion has begun to die down with feelings being soothed by an apology and possible confusion of facts.

Please help us move the board forward positively.

Thank you kindly for considering what I have said,

Cynthia

direct

Thanks for your concern Cynthia.  I wasn't being derogatory or (obviously) diplomatic, I was being direct.  WM keeps blaming CAM, name calling, driving off CAM participants and bystanders where she has unresolved information issues that she justifies confrontational posts that disruptiv and decrease others' (and my) chances of success.  So I addressed one of those (mis)information gaps that hopefully will benefit all of us, including WM.  

You're right that tone is important, and there are several competing aspects in a situation like this that make it difficult to get it right when this can be read several ways.