Anybody tried maple syrup/baking soda (Na Bicarb)?

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  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    pancakes on sunday
    In another life, I used to make sensaional pancakes with real maple syrup, whole meal flower and some baking soda so they would rise. this is a tired and tested formula for pancakes.

    now I think the catheter is the key, its just like what I had done a few days ago to kill the peritoneal mets. a catheter up your femeral artery, guided to the branch that feeds the mets or mets and zap. their goes chemo, no I imagine bicard could work just as well if delivered directly.

    I will ask these far out doctors here if they have heard of or tried this, but its a touch primitive for these guys I suspect. here they favour direct injection into tumour arterial supply using the most biologiclly targeted chemo agents at the highest localised doses. see the dr vogel papers on my blog if your interested.

    hugs,
    Pete

    ps hey tony, a new friend here with GBH is having dendretic cell vacine with NDV being made right now. they are optimistic for her chances, she is also having the latest cyberknife to clean up her brain met. I mention this for the record that I now personally have friends who are being treated with NDV, I could explain the science behind these therapies to help them. as we went through it in detail only a few months ago. these alternatives are sometimes the only option for some, I have so much compassion for those using these relatively untried therapies, she is the bravest grandmother I know.

    what we need is hope, not doubt. but thats just my opinion. hugs as always.

    pps jeff this is an interesting thread, but the whole acid / alkali thing is like the liberal/labour arguments. like all things, moderation is the key, thats what i have never said before. a little alkaline is where I have my bets placed, but its not something to get stressed over. Our immune system is to important. being overly alkaline is almost as bad as being to acidic
  • janie1
    janie1 Member Posts: 753 Member

    pancakes on sunday
    In another life, I used to make sensaional pancakes with real maple syrup, whole meal flower and some baking soda so they would rise. this is a tired and tested formula for pancakes.

    now I think the catheter is the key, its just like what I had done a few days ago to kill the peritoneal mets. a catheter up your femeral artery, guided to the branch that feeds the mets or mets and zap. their goes chemo, no I imagine bicard could work just as well if delivered directly.

    I will ask these far out doctors here if they have heard of or tried this, but its a touch primitive for these guys I suspect. here they favour direct injection into tumour arterial supply using the most biologiclly targeted chemo agents at the highest localised doses. see the dr vogel papers on my blog if your interested.

    hugs,
    Pete

    ps hey tony, a new friend here with GBH is having dendretic cell vacine with NDV being made right now. they are optimistic for her chances, she is also having the latest cyberknife to clean up her brain met. I mention this for the record that I now personally have friends who are being treated with NDV, I could explain the science behind these therapies to help them. as we went through it in detail only a few months ago. these alternatives are sometimes the only option for some, I have so much compassion for those using these relatively untried therapies, she is the bravest grandmother I know.

    what we need is hope, not doubt. but thats just my opinion. hugs as always.

    pps jeff this is an interesting thread, but the whole acid / alkali thing is like the liberal/labour arguments. like all things, moderation is the key, thats what i have never said before. a little alkaline is where I have my bets placed, but its not something to get stressed over. Our immune system is to important. being overly alkaline is almost as bad as being to acidic

    Wow---this has gone full
    Wow---this has gone full circle.

    Yes, the key word from the very beginning was "catheter". That is why I was wanting to personally read the article myself. I believe that is what Tony was thinking, also. Is that right, Tony?

    ***** To anyone new to this.......Do not use maple syrup and baking soda on your own and think this will help. It will NOT.
    What a couple of us were interested in was the bit about using a catheter......or, meaning, hitting the "target" directly. That is the part that we are interested in.......NOT ORALLY taking the syrup and the baking soda. When I first became diagnosed, I knew NOTHING. It does take a while and endless reading to only begin to understand some of the complexities.
    I lean toward paying attention to anyone who does a lot of research and who has been at this battle for a while.

    As manwithnoname said, he had already written this off (maple syrup and baking soda). BUT he (like I), just happened to be interested in the "catheter" part. That is a different ballgame, so to speak. We just wanted to see what was written.

    If cancer weren't so deadly and horrible, this thread otherwise would make me smile.... it reminds me of "Who's on Base?" Remember that?
  • jr2012
    jr2012 Member Posts: 67

    I wondered how long
    it would take for you to show up with your personal attacks, seems to be when ever your opinion is questioned....it's just your opinion, please don't let science or facts distort it.

    Yeah, I forgot to mention I own a bicarbonate factory....

    @ man with no name
    haha will start my bicarb from ur factory...

    I was doing soda whenever i have acid reflux - takes a little longer to settle me down - but due to the taste, hvnt done for sometime... instead im doing flaxseed and basil these days

    look em up cuz I dont want to say anything or I will be attacked for promoting scams here
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member

    Janie
    You have to understand, that things like baking soda are not going to fix or cure or stop your cancer, it isn't a method that is going to work, plain and simple. When people purport that something like this should be tried or works, then it is only HURTING those without chemo options. There are alternatives out there that have better chances of helping then baking soda. We all would be on baking soda if it worked, our oncologists aren't evil pharma men, that saw baking soda and maple syrup worked and said, Geez, we better not let out dying cancer patients know about this, and now we only have HONEST people out there feeding us this crap about baking soda and we are to believe. It is a false hope, so Janie, I'm not going to stay silent when something like baking soda is touted as a cure. And dear if I run out of chemo options, I will not be doing baking soda and maple syrup, it is a fallacy. And Janie, anyone with stage IV colon cancer is an agony, whether they have chemo or not, they never know if the chemo will work etc., we are all in agony, but it is no reason for us to spread or go for things that DO NOT work, that only hurts us in the end, there is so much so called "alternative" stuff out there touted as a cure that simply isn't, it's just there to give you false hope or take away your money. There are things that do help, like milkthistle, I think some of John's TCM works, but baking soda curing you? No. Do not shoot the messenger Janie, baking soda isn't going to cure you plain and simple.
    Winter Marie

    Holy Moley (or is it Molie?)

    (I'll post my rant to your post, since you know me best!)

    <rant>

    In the "blog" section of my profile page, I list the very inexpensive
    imported medicinal strength Chinese herbs I had taken.

    Each herb listed includes a brief description of what that herb
    can do biologically.

    Each of those herbs have been used for thousands of years.

    With the average cost of those herbs at $5.00 per pound,
    the first two listed alone, can work in amazing ways.

    Those first two are used together, by the way. Alone, they
    will not work as well, if at all.

    One pound lasts for almost a month and a half.

    I can't understand why so many individuals would rather spend
    a large amount of money on "alternatives" that do not have the
    history of use that Chinese herbs have.

    I wish someone can offer a reasonable explanation to me.....

    It's frustrating to want to help, but get side-lined by things
    like "apricot seeds" (they have pits), and Bicarb with Maple syrup.
    (have you priced maple syrup lately?)(can I use generic Log Cabin?)

    Good grief.

    </rant>



    Best wishes to all for better health,

    John
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    janie1 said:

    Wow---this has gone full
    Wow---this has gone full circle.

    Yes, the key word from the very beginning was "catheter". That is why I was wanting to personally read the article myself. I believe that is what Tony was thinking, also. Is that right, Tony?

    ***** To anyone new to this.......Do not use maple syrup and baking soda on your own and think this will help. It will NOT.
    What a couple of us were interested in was the bit about using a catheter......or, meaning, hitting the "target" directly. That is the part that we are interested in.......NOT ORALLY taking the syrup and the baking soda. When I first became diagnosed, I knew NOTHING. It does take a while and endless reading to only begin to understand some of the complexities.
    I lean toward paying attention to anyone who does a lot of research and who has been at this battle for a while.

    As manwithnoname said, he had already written this off (maple syrup and baking soda). BUT he (like I), just happened to be interested in the "catheter" part. That is a different ballgame, so to speak. We just wanted to see what was written.

    If cancer weren't so deadly and horrible, this thread otherwise would make me smile.... it reminds me of "Who's on Base?" Remember that?

    What was I thinking??
    Of course, it's our scientist's/researcher's faults, Soda has been touted for years, and still they haven't stuck needles in our tumors and pushed the baking soda into them and CURED us. My goodness, I guess it's because it's too darn cheap. Conspiracy; obviously to keep the cheap baking soda from us and save us from cancer. It's all sooo SIMPLE!!! Yep, it's a whole different ball game and yet they still refuse to go main stream and cath it into our tumors. It all makes sense!! My fault, I apologize. Bad, bad researchers!! And here, now I realize I don't need radiation on my tumors in my lungs, no, I just need baking soda cathed into my tumors there, what a relief, now where can I find an onc to do that? All those years of research when baking soda was staring at them in the face all these years, amazing, absolutely amazing. Think we should run down to the research labs with pickit signs letting them know we're on to them and we demand our baking soda???
  • janie1
    janie1 Member Posts: 753 Member

    What was I thinking??
    Of course, it's our scientist's/researcher's faults, Soda has been touted for years, and still they haven't stuck needles in our tumors and pushed the baking soda into them and CURED us. My goodness, I guess it's because it's too darn cheap. Conspiracy; obviously to keep the cheap baking soda from us and save us from cancer. It's all sooo SIMPLE!!! Yep, it's a whole different ball game and yet they still refuse to go main stream and cath it into our tumors. It all makes sense!! My fault, I apologize. Bad, bad researchers!! And here, now I realize I don't need radiation on my tumors in my lungs, no, I just need baking soda cathed into my tumors there, what a relief, now where can I find an onc to do that? All those years of research when baking soda was staring at them in the face all these years, amazing, absolutely amazing. Think we should run down to the research labs with pickit signs letting them know we're on to them and we demand our baking soda???

    Winter Marie
    I don't know if you are attacking me now.

    If you read what Pete wrote above me, he said "catheter", and that is what I was referring to.

    Also, no one that I can tell is talking about baking soda being a CURE, only you bring up CURE.

    And, what is wrong with reading about research?

    You say something about Chinese herbs, that some of those may be ok. What is going on?
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    janie1 said:

    Winter Marie
    I don't know if you are attacking me now.

    If you read what Pete wrote above me, he said "catheter", and that is what I was referring to.

    Also, no one that I can tell is talking about baking soda being a CURE, only you bring up CURE.

    And, what is wrong with reading about research?

    You say something about Chinese herbs, that some of those may be ok. What is going on?

    Janie
    Of course not, I'm as sincere as your prayers for me are, which I am positive are very sincere. Yes, I know amazing that Pete is out there getting chemo shot directly in his tumors, yet our researchers aren't doing that to us with this wonder soda! I'm shocked at our research community keeping this from us.
    Why in the world would you think I was attacking you? In what way? By going along with the soda cath theory? And what other reason would you want to do the soda? If not for a CURE, just for the heck of it? That doesn't make sense, to do something that's going to do nothing. Seems to me, that going for the cure is what makes sense, so if you think the cath soda theory would work, work doing WHAT if not a cure? And by the way, the web is nothing but FULL of claims that the maple syrup soda can cure you. But of course, maybe you all are more sensible then me, and believe the soda will do something else, what else exactly if not a cure? You had me going there for a minute, I was blaming the researchers for no cure, and now you say, it isn't a possible cure, then my blonde head just cannot understand exactly what do you expect the soda to do?? You attack me if I disagree, then attack me if I agree, goodness, what do you want?
  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402

    Janie
    Of course not, I'm as sincere as your prayers for me are, which I am positive are very sincere. Yes, I know amazing that Pete is out there getting chemo shot directly in his tumors, yet our researchers aren't doing that to us with this wonder soda! I'm shocked at our research community keeping this from us.
    Why in the world would you think I was attacking you? In what way? By going along with the soda cath theory? And what other reason would you want to do the soda? If not for a CURE, just for the heck of it? That doesn't make sense, to do something that's going to do nothing. Seems to me, that going for the cure is what makes sense, so if you think the cath soda theory would work, work doing WHAT if not a cure? And by the way, the web is nothing but FULL of claims that the maple syrup soda can cure you. But of course, maybe you all are more sensible then me, and believe the soda will do something else, what else exactly if not a cure? You had me going there for a minute, I was blaming the researchers for no cure, and now you say, it isn't a possible cure, then my blonde head just cannot understand exactly what do you expect the soda to do?? You attack me if I disagree, then attack me if I agree, goodness, what do you want?

    Cure
    "WHAT if not a cure?"

    Disease stabilisation.
    Life extension.

    Glad to clear that up for you WM...

    Also, maybe you don't get it, but NO doctor, no matter how much you beg, will treat you with a drug that has not been approved, bicarbonate has NEVER been approved for treating anything as far as I know, and probably never will be.

    My own stance on this is I see it as interesting BUT I will not be giving it to my son, or recommending it to ANYONE until I see more data on it.
    The PDF I posted was ORAL administration to MICE, no maple syrup or HUMANS involved.

    *UPDATE* from Oxford (some of you might have heard of it) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22382688 this clarifies things for me.

    For anyone having trouble deciphering the paper; It's dangerous. Medical supervision necessary.
  • janie1
    janie1 Member Posts: 753 Member

    Cure
    "WHAT if not a cure?"

    Disease stabilisation.
    Life extension.

    Glad to clear that up for you WM...

    Also, maybe you don't get it, but NO doctor, no matter how much you beg, will treat you with a drug that has not been approved, bicarbonate has NEVER been approved for treating anything as far as I know, and probably never will be.

    My own stance on this is I see it as interesting BUT I will not be giving it to my son, or recommending it to ANYONE until I see more data on it.
    The PDF I posted was ORAL administration to MICE, no maple syrup or HUMANS involved.

    *UPDATE* from Oxford (some of you might have heard of it) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22382688 this clarifies things for me.

    For anyone having trouble deciphering the paper; It's dangerous. Medical supervision necessary.

    For the third and final
    For the third and final time.
    I like to read. Thankfully so do others. And some are very considerate in providing links.
    For the second time. I make decisions based on facts as much as humanly possible.
    Opinions are just that.......opinions.......just like.......what is a person's favorite color.....that would be an opinion.
    Winter, I wish you would take the time and go to the top and re-read every word of this entire thread.
    I know I can' t force you, but you have missed something. I also said from the very beginning i won 't be doing any baking soda and maple syrup. This is incredible. And, i did ask......what is wrong with reading?
    Go ahead and have the last word.
    I dont want to waste any more time.
  • steved
    steved Member Posts: 834 Member
    Bicarbonate
    Getting back on the topic I thought the main basis that alkalinisation was promoted historically was the dubious claim that cancers arise from fungal, especially candida, infections. Had a look around and there is no decent evidence to support it scientifically but it is used including arterially into vessels leading to tumours. The main advocate I see is dr simoncini whose website is worth reading with a critical eye http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

    One of the best balanced bits of info on bicarbonate I found was this acs site at http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/sodium-bicarbonate

    Not something I would consider I've or arterially. Orally I have no doubt is entirely homeopathic as the body is too good at regulating ph to make a difference.

    Steve
  • tachilders
    tachilders Member Posts: 313
    Wow, went away for a day or
    Wow, went away for a day or two and came back to quite a firestorm with this post. The doctor that is/was using catheter delivery of Na Bicarb for cancer is Dr. Simoncini in Italy. Guy could be a quack for all I know. However, I did just find this article, whcih may lead to more real info.

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/323645

    Apparently, this doctor will be doing a real clinical trial in humans using oral delivery of baking soda/Na Bicarb to treat breast cancer.

    Sorry that my post caused so much trouble....

    FTR, I am taking FOLFOX + Avastin (8 treatments in) and had tumor reduction after only 5 tx based on CT results. I will take 4 more, and then get more scans. Always looking for alternative/supplemental treatments....
  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    steved said:

    Bicarbonate
    Getting back on the topic I thought the main basis that alkalinisation was promoted historically was the dubious claim that cancers arise from fungal, especially candida, infections. Had a look around and there is no decent evidence to support it scientifically but it is used including arterially into vessels leading to tumours. The main advocate I see is dr simoncini whose website is worth reading with a critical eye http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

    One of the best balanced bits of info on bicarbonate I found was this acs site at http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/complementaryandalternativemedicine/herbsvitaminsandminerals/sodium-bicarbonate

    Not something I would consider I've or arterially. Orally I have no doubt is entirely homeopathic as the body is too good at regulating ph to make a difference.

    Steve

    Not fungal, tumour microenviroment
    The body may regulate PH but can the tumour? this to me was never about 'fungus' more about the 'environment'.

    The Italian doc was struck off years ago.

    I stand corrected, Dr. Marty Pagel, PhD, from the University of Arizona Cancer Center is actual doing a study on this, not a clinical trial per se, but more than I would have expected.

    @ Steve, see my link from Oxford. that summary from cancer.org is 4 years out of date BTW.
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    janie1 said:

    For the third and final
    For the third and final time.
    I like to read. Thankfully so do others. And some are very considerate in providing links.
    For the second time. I make decisions based on facts as much as humanly possible.
    Opinions are just that.......opinions.......just like.......what is a person's favorite color.....that would be an opinion.
    Winter, I wish you would take the time and go to the top and re-read every word of this entire thread.
    I know I can' t force you, but you have missed something. I also said from the very beginning i won 't be doing any baking soda and maple syrup. This is incredible. And, i did ask......what is wrong with reading?
    Go ahead and have the last word.
    I dont want to waste any more time.

    Question unasnwered
    Yes, I guess I did Janie, you still haven't told me what you expect the baking soda to do.
    And Janie, I think the Majority of us like to read, it's one of my favorite past times, now how you can turn this into an accusation of hatred against reading from me, is BEYOND my comprehension.
    And Opinions, I just give my opinions and you attack my opinion's, although I appreciate you taking the time to inform me what an opinion is, perhaps you should take a second look at your definition of opinions and see that OTHERS have them as well, myself included, and that's all they are...opinions.
    Winter Marie
  • Lovekitties
    Lovekitties Member Posts: 3,364 Member

    Wow, went away for a day or
    Wow, went away for a day or two and came back to quite a firestorm with this post. The doctor that is/was using catheter delivery of Na Bicarb for cancer is Dr. Simoncini in Italy. Guy could be a quack for all I know. However, I did just find this article, whcih may lead to more real info.

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/323645

    Apparently, this doctor will be doing a real clinical trial in humans using oral delivery of baking soda/Na Bicarb to treat breast cancer.

    Sorry that my post caused so much trouble....

    FTR, I am taking FOLFOX + Avastin (8 treatments in) and had tumor reduction after only 5 tx based on CT results. I will take 4 more, and then get more scans. Always looking for alternative/supplemental treatments....

    Another to be heard from
    This whole thing about baking soda got me looking at the net where I found tags saying that a doc in Arizona had been given a $2 million dollar grant to do a clinical trial.

    Well I could not find anything "official" from NIH as to what exactly this grant was for.

    From what I read, in a number of places, it sound more like there is new MRI equipment which is supposed to be able to measure the changes in the acidity level of breast cancer tumors before any treatment is started.

    The following from AARP was the one article which made the most sense to me...as a lay person:

    Mark Pagel, associate professor of biomedical engineering, has been given a $2 million grant from the National Institutes of Health, as well as private support from local cancer foundations, to research the effectiveness of baking soda cancer therapy.

    “There is outstanding evidence that baking soda treatments reduce tumor growth and eliminate metastases, but the evidence is limited to mice,” Pagel told AARP.

    Pagel and a team of researchers at the university’s cancer center are developing a way to measure the acidity level of tumors using MRI technology before cancer treatment begins.

    Tumors produce acid when they are growing, which destroys the surrounding tissue, allowing the tumor to spread.

    By measuring the amount of acidity in the tumor, patients could be given a specially formulated baking soda solution to drink that researchers believe would counteract the specific acidity of their tumors.

    Because humans are more sensitive to baking soda — long-term use can lead to kidney and bladder damage — Pagel and his colleagues “want to ensure that a patient is using the right dose amount and timing so that the tumor is affected by the baking soda, without also affecting normal tissue,” he explains.

    Knowing the acidity level of a tumor could also help predict which chemotherapy will work best for a patient, Pagel says. He calls it a way to “personalize medicine” so that treatment is optimized for each individual.

    http://blog.aarp.org/2012/04/09/baking-soda-removes-stains-and-fights-tumors/
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member

    Wow, went away for a day or
    Wow, went away for a day or two and came back to quite a firestorm with this post. The doctor that is/was using catheter delivery of Na Bicarb for cancer is Dr. Simoncini in Italy. Guy could be a quack for all I know. However, I did just find this article, whcih may lead to more real info.

    http://digitaljournal.com/article/323645

    Apparently, this doctor will be doing a real clinical trial in humans using oral delivery of baking soda/Na Bicarb to treat breast cancer.

    Sorry that my post caused so much trouble....

    FTR, I am taking FOLFOX + Avastin (8 treatments in) and had tumor reduction after only 5 tx based on CT results. I will take 4 more, and then get more scans. Always looking for alternative/supplemental treatments....

    tachilders -
    Myths, stories, and fabrications, oh my.

    No firestorm here! Just people attempting to help people!

    Here's some reading material:

    "More recently, the CIS has fielded questions about a myth that
    all cancers are caused by a fungus and that baking soda is the
    cure.

    "People ask what the research shows about a particular topic, but
    often there is no research related to the question at hand," said
    Susan Church, who responds to public inquiries at the CIS.
    "Sometimes, all we can do is explain what we know to date about
    the biology of cancer.""

    http://www.cancer.gov/ncicancerbulletin/041911/page6

    "The myth of the baking soda starts with a man named Tullio
    Simoncini, who practiced in an alternative clinic in the
    Netherlands. In October 2007, charges were laid against Simoncini
    when a patient 50 years of breast cancer, he was treated admitted
    to a hospital in Amsterdam, where she died a few days. His death
    was determined to be of unnatural causes: the injection of sodium
    bicarbonate - baking soda. Further investigation revealed that
    the medical license had been revoked Simoncini in Italy. The
    unexpectedly, the clinic in the Netherlands allowed him to
    administer treatments baking soda harmful for cancer patients
    through a variety of unorthodox methods: injection,
    catheterization and oral. The Netherlands Health Inspectorate
    determined baking soda to be dangerous and ineffective, and
    warned that any physician using the procedure Simoncini would be studied."

    http://how-to-x.info/1233694-baking-soda-cancer-cure.htm

    "The Claim: Acidic foods can alter the body’s pH balance and
    promote cancer.

    The Facts: The unsubstantiated theory is based on lab studies
    that suggest cancer cells thrive in an acidic (low pH)
    environment, but cannot survive in alkaline (high pH)
    surroundings. While these findings are accurate, they apply only
    to cells in an isolated lab setting. Altering the cell
    environment of the human body to create a less-acidic,
    less-cancer-friendly environment is virtually impossible.

    While proponents of this myth argue that avoiding certain foods
    and eating others can change the body’s pH level, these claims
    stand in stark contrast to everything we know about the chemistry
    of the human body. Acid-base balance is tightly regulated by
    several mechanisms, among them kidney and respiratory functions.
    Even slight changes to your body’s pH are life-threatening
    events. Patients with kidney disease and pulmonary dysfunction,
    for example, often rely on dialysis machines and mechanical
    ventilators (respectively) to avoid even small disruption of
    acid-base balance."

    Busting Cancer Myths: Acidic Foods and Cancer Risks

    There are more sites that explain the myth of NA (bicarb of soda), along
    with myths regarding cancer remedies in general, I only listed the
    easiest to understand ones here.

    Changing the body's PH with foods is not taken seriously by any
    of those in the science world that matter; they usually ignore the
    preposterous and move on to matters that make more sense
    biologically.

    While there are some things (like homeopathic remedies) that
    can not be scientifically proven to do much of anything, the
    remedies are used with great success on both humans and animals.
    But even homeopathic remedies can be explained in a manner that
    makes sense biologically, with results that can be duplicated easily.

    Killing cancer cells by taking bicarbs orally, is not one of them.

    If one is dead-set on wasting time, they should try something like
    Traditional Chinese Medicine instead of any of the other hocus-pokus
    remedies. Maybe the TCM snake-oil will make a difference!

    One won't know unless one tries, ehh?

    Oh well........

    Be well folks; be healthy!

    John
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    everyone is watching, play nicely and be kind
    it highlights so much of the challenges when you love life so much that your quest leads you down dubious paths. all i tell my friends is to go down dubious paths with a smile and courage.

    I am having pancake and maple syrup for breakfast with a big smile with a pinch of bicarb.

    Saving our precious energy for survival and our spirit is my goal, so don't get caught up in the arguments if you. its simply to expensive in terms of emotional energy.

    so getting worked up on a post will cause stress and that will hurt your immune system , alot more than maple and bicarb. smile and love, its just a great day.

    hugs,
    Pete

    ps dearest budding researchers read cancer as a metabolic disease by thomas seyfried. now that will grow some neural pathways if you are up for it. I understand 10%, but my desire to do the full ketogenic diet is growing.

    pps now we could wait for our onc to save us ? or we can have some fun ourselves ?
    no matter what choice, having a peaceful heart and smile today is all the matters!
  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402

    everyone is watching, play nicely and be kind
    it highlights so much of the challenges when you love life so much that your quest leads you down dubious paths. all i tell my friends is to go down dubious paths with a smile and courage.

    I am having pancake and maple syrup for breakfast with a big smile with a pinch of bicarb.

    Saving our precious energy for survival and our spirit is my goal, so don't get caught up in the arguments if you. its simply to expensive in terms of emotional energy.

    so getting worked up on a post will cause stress and that will hurt your immune system , alot more than maple and bicarb. smile and love, its just a great day.

    hugs,
    Pete

    ps dearest budding researchers read cancer as a metabolic disease by thomas seyfried. now that will grow some neural pathways if you are up for it. I understand 10%, but my desire to do the full ketogenic diet is growing.

    pps now we could wait for our onc to save us ? or we can have some fun ourselves ?
    no matter what choice, having a peaceful heart and smile today is all the matters!

    Hi Pete
    Hope your doing well, I exchanged a few emails with Dr Seyfried years ago, he was very helpful, Ketogenic didn't work for us but it seems worth trying for some.
    It's hard, but not as hard as chemo regimes.

    Maybe start a thread on it.

    take care.
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member

    Hi Pete
    Hope your doing well, I exchanged a few emails with Dr Seyfried years ago, he was very helpful, Ketogenic didn't work for us but it seems worth trying for some.
    It's hard, but not as hard as chemo regimes.

    Maybe start a thread on it.

    take care.

    For what it's worth

    Although I hate chemicals, I do have two bottles of hydrazine sulfate on hand.
    I paid a whopping $30 per bottle back in 2007, and that's enough for the
    full treatment, if I decided that nothing else is working..

    The Syracuse Cancer Research Institute

    The Truth About Hydrazine Sulfate

    Among the "alternative" choices, there are very few chemicals included.
    Reading at the link included may offer some hope for those who
    conventional medicine has failed, and who chooses not to try non-chemicals.

    I really don't have much faith in some of the alternatives offered,
    or talked about here. But of course, that's -my- choice, and
    we all should make our own choices.

    There are many opinions out there; it should be kept in mind,
    that even the best physicians can only offer their personal opinion.

    Hopes for better health,

    John
  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    John23 said:

    tachilders -
    Myths, stories, and fabrications, oh my.

    No firestorm here! Just people attempting to help people!

    Here's some reading material:

    "More recently, the CIS has fielded questions about a myth that
    all cancers are caused by a fungus and that baking soda is the
    cure.

    "People ask what the research shows about a particular topic, but
    often there is no research related to the question at hand," said
    Susan Church, who responds to public inquiries at the CIS.
    "Sometimes, all we can do is explain what we know to date about
    the biology of cancer.""

    http://www.cancer.gov/ncicancerbulletin/041911/page6

    "The myth of the baking soda starts with a man named Tullio
    Simoncini, who practiced in an alternative clinic in the
    Netherlands. In October 2007, charges were laid against Simoncini
    when a patient 50 years of breast cancer, he was treated admitted
    to a hospital in Amsterdam, where she died a few days. His death
    was determined to be of unnatural causes: the injection of sodium
    bicarbonate - baking soda. Further investigation revealed that
    the medical license had been revoked Simoncini in Italy. The
    unexpectedly, the clinic in the Netherlands allowed him to
    administer treatments baking soda harmful for cancer patients
    through a variety of unorthodox methods: injection,
    catheterization and oral. The Netherlands Health Inspectorate
    determined baking soda to be dangerous and ineffective, and
    warned that any physician using the procedure Simoncini would be studied."

    http://how-to-x.info/1233694-baking-soda-cancer-cure.htm

    "The Claim: Acidic foods can alter the body’s pH balance and
    promote cancer.

    The Facts: The unsubstantiated theory is based on lab studies
    that suggest cancer cells thrive in an acidic (low pH)
    environment, but cannot survive in alkaline (high pH)
    surroundings. While these findings are accurate, they apply only
    to cells in an isolated lab setting. Altering the cell
    environment of the human body to create a less-acidic,
    less-cancer-friendly environment is virtually impossible.

    While proponents of this myth argue that avoiding certain foods
    and eating others can change the body’s pH level, these claims
    stand in stark contrast to everything we know about the chemistry
    of the human body. Acid-base balance is tightly regulated by
    several mechanisms, among them kidney and respiratory functions.
    Even slight changes to your body’s pH are life-threatening
    events. Patients with kidney disease and pulmonary dysfunction,
    for example, often rely on dialysis machines and mechanical
    ventilators (respectively) to avoid even small disruption of
    acid-base balance."

    Busting Cancer Myths: Acidic Foods and Cancer Risks

    There are more sites that explain the myth of NA (bicarb of soda), along
    with myths regarding cancer remedies in general, I only listed the
    easiest to understand ones here.

    Changing the body's PH with foods is not taken seriously by any
    of those in the science world that matter; they usually ignore the
    preposterous and move on to matters that make more sense
    biologically.

    While there are some things (like homeopathic remedies) that
    can not be scientifically proven to do much of anything, the
    remedies are used with great success on both humans and animals.
    But even homeopathic remedies can be explained in a manner that
    makes sense biologically, with results that can be duplicated easily.

    Killing cancer cells by taking bicarbs orally, is not one of them.

    If one is dead-set on wasting time, they should try something like
    Traditional Chinese Medicine instead of any of the other hocus-pokus
    remedies. Maybe the TCM snake-oil will make a difference!

    One won't know unless one tries, ehh?

    Oh well........

    Be well folks; be healthy!

    John

    John
    Well said, and well explained, my hat's off to you.
    Winter Marie
  • manwithnoname
    manwithnoname Member Posts: 402
    John23 said:

    tachilders -
    Myths, stories, and fabrications, oh my.

    No firestorm here! Just people attempting to help people!

    Here's some reading material:

    "More recently, the CIS has fielded questions about a myth that
    all cancers are caused by a fungus and that baking soda is the
    cure.

    "People ask what the research shows about a particular topic, but
    often there is no research related to the question at hand," said
    Susan Church, who responds to public inquiries at the CIS.
    "Sometimes, all we can do is explain what we know to date about
    the biology of cancer.""

    http://www.cancer.gov/ncicancerbulletin/041911/page6

    "The myth of the baking soda starts with a man named Tullio
    Simoncini, who practiced in an alternative clinic in the
    Netherlands. In October 2007, charges were laid against Simoncini
    when a patient 50 years of breast cancer, he was treated admitted
    to a hospital in Amsterdam, where she died a few days. His death
    was determined to be of unnatural causes: the injection of sodium
    bicarbonate - baking soda. Further investigation revealed that
    the medical license had been revoked Simoncini in Italy. The
    unexpectedly, the clinic in the Netherlands allowed him to
    administer treatments baking soda harmful for cancer patients
    through a variety of unorthodox methods: injection,
    catheterization and oral. The Netherlands Health Inspectorate
    determined baking soda to be dangerous and ineffective, and
    warned that any physician using the procedure Simoncini would be studied."

    http://how-to-x.info/1233694-baking-soda-cancer-cure.htm

    "The Claim: Acidic foods can alter the body’s pH balance and
    promote cancer.

    The Facts: The unsubstantiated theory is based on lab studies
    that suggest cancer cells thrive in an acidic (low pH)
    environment, but cannot survive in alkaline (high pH)
    surroundings. While these findings are accurate, they apply only
    to cells in an isolated lab setting. Altering the cell
    environment of the human body to create a less-acidic,
    less-cancer-friendly environment is virtually impossible.

    While proponents of this myth argue that avoiding certain foods
    and eating others can change the body’s pH level, these claims
    stand in stark contrast to everything we know about the chemistry
    of the human body. Acid-base balance is tightly regulated by
    several mechanisms, among them kidney and respiratory functions.
    Even slight changes to your body’s pH are life-threatening
    events. Patients with kidney disease and pulmonary dysfunction,
    for example, often rely on dialysis machines and mechanical
    ventilators (respectively) to avoid even small disruption of
    acid-base balance."

    Busting Cancer Myths: Acidic Foods and Cancer Risks

    There are more sites that explain the myth of NA (bicarb of soda), along
    with myths regarding cancer remedies in general, I only listed the
    easiest to understand ones here.

    Changing the body's PH with foods is not taken seriously by any
    of those in the science world that matter; they usually ignore the
    preposterous and move on to matters that make more sense
    biologically.

    While there are some things (like homeopathic remedies) that
    can not be scientifically proven to do much of anything, the
    remedies are used with great success on both humans and animals.
    But even homeopathic remedies can be explained in a manner that
    makes sense biologically, with results that can be duplicated easily.

    Killing cancer cells by taking bicarbs orally, is not one of them.

    If one is dead-set on wasting time, they should try something like
    Traditional Chinese Medicine instead of any of the other hocus-pokus
    remedies. Maybe the TCM snake-oil will make a difference!

    One won't know unless one tries, ehh?

    Oh well........

    Be well folks; be healthy!

    John

    Facts...
    First lets put to rest the 'fungus theory' no one is taking that seriously, and no one is talking about 'diet' and Ph.

    "The Facts: " While these findings are accurate, they apply only
    to cells in an isolated lab setting"

    That's just not true is it. Read the PDF I posted.

    "One won't know unless one tries, ehh?" exactly, that is a real scientific experiment.

    The only 'snake oil' I would try better have some real evidence behind it, I'm not interested in woo.