Finally the ACS steps up, anyone want to pat Pete on the back?

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  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member

    Yes, Yes, Yes
    Yes,
    I agree with you Phil on your last statement. I have been trying to follow many of the old threads (previous to my joining this board) for information on healthy diet and exercise. I have always wondered why people who are trying to help here on this board get jumped on and make others like myself reluctant to post sometimes...I didn't follow or post for about 3 weeks because of previous statements that really bothered me.

    I like to follow Pete's storyline...can't always understand it but I really see he is trying to make a difference for all of us. I appreciate his effort!

    I, for one, would like all people to feel comfortable here to comment on anything that they think may help another person...just like you said "whatever works/helps..."

    "Minnie"

    Hi Minnie
    I've wondered that too Minnie. It's not like we're dealing with gravity (on earth*) so when you drop something it always falls to the ground.

    There are probably as many ways to treat cancer as there are ways to get cancer.
    No two people are the same. Yet, gang mentality exists at times because of what some proclaim is
    The Right Way to  insert hot topic here .

    Cancer's been around for a long time and no one figured it all out and probably never will.
    There are ancient methods like TCM that have been effective for some,
    there are nutritional methods that have been effective for some,
    and there are chemo methods that have been effective for some.
    One Size Does NOT Fit All.

    There's probably a good chance that the solution may lie with All of The Above.
    They all have pluses and minuses and they all aren't effective for everyone.
    Cancer is one tricky SOB...
    -phil

    *The disclaimer since I know that someone would comment "well there's no gravity in outer space..." :-)
  • son of hal
    son of hal Member Posts: 117
    Wow, didn't expect this much
    Wow, didn't expect this much traffic on the topic. First off, I'm not trying to exclude anyone or imply that no one else advocates exercise and good health but Pete has clearly been the most (shall we say,) enthusiastic, of our current bunch. His recurring exercise thread and his willingness to share everything he tries set him apart a bit. Clearly I would have mentioned the most influencial members on the topic (Emily and Scouty) if they were still here. I realize several members, including myself, advocate for nutrition but typically only on another thread or just occassionaly. Pete stands out as one who is trying to encourage us all and that takes effort. Secondly, while the ACS has had a position of encouraging nutrition and exercise to individualls, they have refrained from recommending oncologists do the same. THAT is the point of this article. When I was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago I proudly stated all my positive lifestyle changes to my onc. and he stated, in a condescending tone, "there is no proof that diet and exercise have any effect on outcomes, but if you want to see a nutritionist we can arrange something." Hopefully, THAT attitude will change now and the ACS has the power to do it.
    Anyway, just to clear it up, I thank all the members on here for their contributions. Even the ones I dissagree with sometimes. If everyone had the same opinions, they would not BE opinions nothing would ever change and we might as well be robots.
    Take care, CJ
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member

    Wow, didn't expect this much
    Wow, didn't expect this much traffic on the topic. First off, I'm not trying to exclude anyone or imply that no one else advocates exercise and good health but Pete has clearly been the most (shall we say,) enthusiastic, of our current bunch. His recurring exercise thread and his willingness to share everything he tries set him apart a bit. Clearly I would have mentioned the most influencial members on the topic (Emily and Scouty) if they were still here. I realize several members, including myself, advocate for nutrition but typically only on another thread or just occassionaly. Pete stands out as one who is trying to encourage us all and that takes effort. Secondly, while the ACS has had a position of encouraging nutrition and exercise to individualls, they have refrained from recommending oncologists do the same. THAT is the point of this article. When I was diagnosed 2 1/2 years ago I proudly stated all my positive lifestyle changes to my onc. and he stated, in a condescending tone, "there is no proof that diet and exercise have any effect on outcomes, but if you want to see a nutritionist we can arrange something." Hopefully, THAT attitude will change now and the ACS has the power to do it.
    Anyway, just to clear it up, I thank all the members on here for their contributions. Even the ones I dissagree with sometimes. If everyone had the same opinions, they would not BE opinions nothing would ever change and we might as well be robots.
    Take care, CJ

    Hi CJ, As You See...
    A lot can happen in 8 hours!
    It is sad how infrequently doctors consider diet. It's really kind of crazy.
    Then again, "More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette," so it kind of makes sense in a bizarre way.

    I didn't feel that you were giving Pete all the credit. He does stand out on the forum.
    Timing IS everything it seems. Em & Scouty did so much over such a long period of time to help promote a healthier lifestyle.
    They posted some GREAT nutritional information that was easy to understand. They may not be active on here but they still matter to many of us on the site and are dearly missed. It's not like they're Voldermort...

    I agree with your comment about hoping that since there is now ACS backing of the concept that being healthy is good that hopefully more doctors will push patients to eat better and to exercise.
    -p
  • maglets
    maglets Member Posts: 2,576 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Hi CJ, As You See...
    A lot can happen in 8 hours!
    It is sad how infrequently doctors consider diet. It's really kind of crazy.
    Then again, "More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette," so it kind of makes sense in a bizarre way.

    I didn't feel that you were giving Pete all the credit. He does stand out on the forum.
    Timing IS everything it seems. Em & Scouty did so much over such a long period of time to help promote a healthier lifestyle.
    They posted some GREAT nutritional information that was easy to understand. They may not be active on here but they still matter to many of us on the site and are dearly missed. It's not like they're Voldermort...

    I agree with your comment about hoping that since there is now ACS backing of the concept that being healthy is good that hopefully more doctors will push patients to eat better and to exercise.
    -p

    I really think you have to consider some sort of base line when talking about food and eating. Forgive me...I know this topic has been hot....but when you say you should improve your eating habits this is going to be so totally variable for every person here. For instance when I say i will improve i might be coming from a base of quinoa and bulghur 7 times a week and wish to improve this. Someone else might dine at at MCd's and wish to move from there...

    and you say Phil and also Steved....sooooo variable....

    mags
  • lauragb
    lauragb Member Posts: 370 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Hi CJ, As You See...
    A lot can happen in 8 hours!
    It is sad how infrequently doctors consider diet. It's really kind of crazy.
    Then again, "More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette," so it kind of makes sense in a bizarre way.

    I didn't feel that you were giving Pete all the credit. He does stand out on the forum.
    Timing IS everything it seems. Em & Scouty did so much over such a long period of time to help promote a healthier lifestyle.
    They posted some GREAT nutritional information that was easy to understand. They may not be active on here but they still matter to many of us on the site and are dearly missed. It's not like they're Voldermort...

    I agree with your comment about hoping that since there is now ACS backing of the concept that being healthy is good that hopefully more doctors will push patients to eat better and to exercise.
    -p

    I wish the other folks were
    I wish the other folks were back on here too. I only got to see a couple of postings before there was a "rift". And yeah, healthy habits are healthy. I agree that I wish more doctors were knowledgable about diet and exercise. Nutrition isn't a big focus in a lot of medical schools. Anyway, I've asked about supplements too to no avail. That's another reason forums are important to me to get the input of a lot of people and see what's up in the real world of cancer survival outside the doctor's office.
  • son of hal
    son of hal Member Posts: 117
    plh4gail said:

    I looked and looked for
    I looked and looked for Petes name in that article. Did I miss it?

    I know of several people on here (and some who used to be) who live healthy, eat healthy, and share their journey with others. And then there are those that seek out help, asking question about making changes, looking for healthy approaches.

    Me...I am working on it as well.

    Way to go to all who survive!.... even if we choose do so without pooping via enema in the ocean (EW). That still grosses me out!

    I'll give you a pat too,
    I'll give you a pat too, Gail.... And since you're bowling and not playing baseball, I'll keep it above the waist... :)
  • son of hal
    son of hal Member Posts: 117
    PhillieG said:

    Hi CJ, As You See...
    A lot can happen in 8 hours!
    It is sad how infrequently doctors consider diet. It's really kind of crazy.
    Then again, "More doctors smoke Camels than any other cigarette," so it kind of makes sense in a bizarre way.

    I didn't feel that you were giving Pete all the credit. He does stand out on the forum.
    Timing IS everything it seems. Em & Scouty did so much over such a long period of time to help promote a healthier lifestyle.
    They posted some GREAT nutritional information that was easy to understand. They may not be active on here but they still matter to many of us on the site and are dearly missed. It's not like they're Voldermort...

    I agree with your comment about hoping that since there is now ACS backing of the concept that being healthy is good that hopefully more doctors will push patients to eat better and to exercise.
    -p

    Hey Phil- Great comments (as
    Hey Phil- Great comments (as usual). That cracked me up, Voldemort.....
    But seriously, I really do miss those two on here. As well as many others...
  • plh4gail
    plh4gail Member Posts: 1,238 Member

    I'll give you a pat too,
    I'll give you a pat too, Gail.... And since you're bowling and not playing baseball, I'll keep it above the waist... :)

    I was not personally looking
    I was not personally looking for your pat.
  • son of hal
    son of hal Member Posts: 117
    plh4gail said:

    I was not personally looking
    I was not personally looking for your pat.

    OK then....
    Please, don't

    OK then....
    Please, don't act as if I just tried to buy you a drink in a night club. It was just an off-the-cuff comment. Lighten up....
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member

    Hey Phil- Great comments (as
    Hey Phil- Great comments (as usual). That cracked me up, Voldemort.....
    But seriously, I really do miss those two on here. As well as many others...

    Great Read
    Great to read this news.... My ONC supports healthy eating and exercise 101%. I'm eating breakfast rights now, vegan apple sage sausage, two boiled eggs, sauteed mushrooms and spinach. Then I will enjoy my hot cup of matcha tea with a teaspoon of honey and take my supplements. I keep telling my sister it's not a diet, it's a change of life style. I have entered this food into my husband's meals gradually and he doesn't even think of them as healthy anymore, just food. I'm not deprived at all. It's funny because I would fix his meals and mine, and he would end up eating half of my plate or just picking here and there tasting, now I mix his and mine on his plate and my food is growing on his plate. I still give him some beef now and then but I make it strips or cubes like the Japanese do, not a whole steak. My biggest thing is I liked the healthy frozen entrees for my lunch at work, but that is processed food so I miss that convenience, but the smoothies with my protein powdered have now replaced my lunch at work. Amazing that they fill me up. I can make one in my Bullet in less then 5 minutes. Berries, apples, banana, spinach and a handful of mixed greens with a scoop of my protein drink. With my boiled eggs, smoothies and veggie dinner, it's hard to fit in the juicing but I need to. I need to get up earlier and make that my first drink; I know that my body would just soak it up and my liver would love it. This change of eating has not happened over night, it has revolved itself in the past 3.6 years.

    Also, I just bought the health master, it makes me a quick soup in no time. Throw in your veggies, organic broth and your hot water, mix and voila, you have soup. I love doing this with tomatoes. I was also very surprised that organic veggies at whole Foods are not that expensive.

    Excuse my carrying on... ;)
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
    Nana b said:

    Great Read
    Great to read this news.... My ONC supports healthy eating and exercise 101%. I'm eating breakfast rights now, vegan apple sage sausage, two boiled eggs, sauteed mushrooms and spinach. Then I will enjoy my hot cup of matcha tea with a teaspoon of honey and take my supplements. I keep telling my sister it's not a diet, it's a change of life style. I have entered this food into my husband's meals gradually and he doesn't even think of them as healthy anymore, just food. I'm not deprived at all. It's funny because I would fix his meals and mine, and he would end up eating half of my plate or just picking here and there tasting, now I mix his and mine on his plate and my food is growing on his plate. I still give him some beef now and then but I make it strips or cubes like the Japanese do, not a whole steak. My biggest thing is I liked the healthy frozen entrees for my lunch at work, but that is processed food so I miss that convenience, but the smoothies with my protein powdered have now replaced my lunch at work. Amazing that they fill me up. I can make one in my Bullet in less then 5 minutes. Berries, apples, banana, spinach and a handful of mixed greens with a scoop of my protein drink. With my boiled eggs, smoothies and veggie dinner, it's hard to fit in the juicing but I need to. I need to get up earlier and make that my first drink; I know that my body would just soak it up and my liver would love it. This change of eating has not happened over night, it has revolved itself in the past 3.6 years.

    Also, I just bought the health master, it makes me a quick soup in no time. Throw in your veggies, organic broth and your hot water, mix and voila, you have soup. I love doing this with tomatoes. I was also very surprised that organic veggies at whole Foods are not that expensive.

    Excuse my carrying on... ;)

    ps, I do enjoy my wine too,
    ps, I do enjoy my wine too, as long as it's Red! LOL
  • Erinb
    Erinb Member Posts: 293
    smokeyjoe said:

    Phil I really miss those
    Phil I really miss those two....reading their posts really gave me inspiration, as do the other long time survivors.

    I didn't know Emily and
    I didn't know Emily and Scouty were not posting any longer. Their stories were inspirational to me, and I always enjoyed reading their posts.
    Erin