Does a post like this "there is healing in the name of Jesus" posted in the Cancer Forums hurt or he

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  • Marcia527
    Marcia527 Member Posts: 2,729
    z said:

    Marcia
    Marcia, Off Topic, but is that a cat in your vehicle?

    my dog is always off topic
    No, a dog. She acts like a cat sometimes tho. lol.

    Oh boy did this post end up in the wrong place!
  • dasspears
    dasspears Member Posts: 227
    laurettas said:

    A couple of points
    Most yoga is done with a trainer or whatever you want to call them. They may be imparting their religious element into what they are leading you to do and you would have no idea.

    Also, I once owned a Ouija board. I looked at it as another board game(I was an atheist). However, it gave me answers, correct answers to questions I did not know the answers to. My ignorance of what I was doing had no effect on the ability of the object to do something supernatural. Your opinions, I believe, are only valid if there is no supernatural world. Since I believe that there are beings above my human nature, I believe that the supernatural can work whether we believe or not. We merely need invite them in--even unknowingly.

    But whether you believe that or not, is not the point of this discussion, is it? If someone perceives it as religious proselytizing then it should not be permitted, should it?

    About yoga....
    I have taken a yoga class before and I continue to do yoga at home. In my experience, there was never a religious overtone. We came in - went to work - we did a cool down and then we were done. Same thing at home. Get into the pose - hold and stretch and breathe and on to the next. Then drink a lot of water to rehydrate. Best form of exercise for staying flexible as one ages that I know about.

    I know the post isn't abot yoga but I wanted to say something positive about it.

    Thanks!!
  • dasspears
    dasspears Member Posts: 227
    laurettas said:

    Again, Phil
    please give me an example of one other thing whose existence is dependent on what an individual thinks.

    Help me understand....
    I have read this a couple of times and mulled it over in my mind but I'm just not understanding what it is that you are asking. Would you simplify it for me? It's an interesting discussion so far.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Again, Phil
    please give me an example of one other thing whose existence is dependent on what an individual thinks.

    Lauretta's
    We are trying to know what can not be known. Some people have a hard time understanding that concept.
    I don't. I'm not trying to change your mind. I just disagree that because YOU believe something that it must be true for EVERYONE.

    Why can't you accept that alternative treatments can work while without a doubt, you know God exists???
    -p
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    dasspears said:

    Help me understand....
    I have read this a couple of times and mulled it over in my mind but I'm just not understanding what it is that you are asking. Would you simplify it for me? It's an interesting discussion so far.

    If I understand
    Phil correctly, he is saying that God's existence is dependent on what an individual thinks. If you think God exists, then he does--for you. But if I don't think God exists, then he doesn't--for me. I just want to have another example of something that exists or doesn't exist depending on someone's opinion or "belief".
  • Marcia527
    Marcia527 Member Posts: 2,729
    laurettas said:

    If I understand
    Phil correctly, he is saying that God's existence is dependent on what an individual thinks. If you think God exists, then he does--for you. But if I don't think God exists, then he doesn't--for me. I just want to have another example of something that exists or doesn't exist depending on someone's opinion or "belief".

    My hand is up,
    Does ghosts fit the example? Some people swear they exist (and some have seen them) and others don't believe.
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    Lauretta's
    We are trying to know what can not be known. Some people have a hard time understanding that concept.
    I don't. I'm not trying to change your mind. I just disagree that because YOU believe something that it must be true for EVERYONE.

    Why can't you accept that alternative treatments can work while without a doubt, you know God exists???
    -p

    Phil
    But you see Phil, I think God can be known. I need look no further than my own body. It is such a complex thing, each part working in total harmony with the others, to the point that I have no awareness of any of these things happening. When my father-in-law was on dialysis, I would walk into the treatment room and look at the massive machine that we humans had designed to replace the function of one small kidney in our bodies. I had to laugh.

    Then I look to creation and see the complexity and intricacy of everything. Gosh, if the planets were not in the exact orbit, speed, everything that they are, our solar system would crash together or spin away into eternity. There HAS to be something more than us that came up with the idea of everything and the capacity to bring it all into existence. I think we still believe in science that it takes matter and energy to "create" anything. Where did the original matter and energy come from?

    I think that God is graciously revealing Himself to us in many, many ways but we just choose to ignore Him. I keep asking non-believers for an alternative answer to the existence of everything but I usually just get either sputtering or some long-winded, technical explanation of something that didn't answer the question. My acceptance of the existence of God was not an emotional reaction to something but a reasoned, rational decision based upon all that I understand to be known about the world.

    Almost missed your last question. I am waiting for examples of the effectiveness of alternative treatments. No one will give them to me other than their own examples which are too vague to stake my, or my husband's, life on. I was quite hesitant about Jake taking chemo because the statistics as I understood them sounded terrible. But then I got on these sites and read example after example from people like you that were living years beyond the statistics and enjoying the life that you had. If someone would point me to examples like that about alternatives, I would seriously consider them. But I am still waiting.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    Hondo said:

    Hi Phil
    Wow you sure know how to keep the spark going don't you. I seen the post you were talking about, but did not pay it any mind as I do for a lot of things people post. I don’t see where getting up-set at things like that helps me to be a better or worse person, I just ignore it. As far as someone posting about some other religion I again would not be offended by something like that as I believe there will be in Heaven people from all religions. Who knows maybe people from the agnostic & atheist religions will be there too I can’t judge only God knows where they came from and why they believe what they believe.

    I do believe very strongly in the power of prayer and believe it the reason I am still here. If you read about me you will find that I never did treat my NPC Cancer when it came back a third time in 2005. All I did was prayer and some alternative treatment that’s been over 6 years ago and the doctors are still puzzled as to why I am not dead. I can’t say why some people gets healed and others don’t as I know there are a lot of other believers who have more faith then I do, and have went to sleep. But I don’t blame it on God I blame it on Sin. I do believe a lot of people have the wrong conception about God I guess that it why the world blames him for all the Bad things that happen and gives no credit to him when something good happens

    Just my take on the subject, have a great day
    Hondo

    Ain't that the truth Hondo
    Think of how different/boring this site could be if not for me. OK. don't think too much, I may find myself voted off the Island!
    One thing I do not do is get "upset" about it. This forum is really mainly just about exchanging ideas. I will say that that the posts by that "lady" who seemed to have joined for 1 day, had no profile so likely wasn't even someone with cancer, posted the same post that really had nothing to do with cancer, and it seemed more like just a disciple spreading the word. At least she could have personalized it for each forum she posted it in :-)

    What I do enjoy seeing more of is that many people feel that they will see many people from many faiths. I certainly may be wrong, but I was taught t believe that unless one accepted the "whole package" they really were'nt true beleivers. I think that those are the "Terry Jones'" of the world and do not represent the majority of Christians in his case. I know the Catholic church is not very happy with the Buffett Catholics as they call them. One can not be Catholic and be pro-choice. They don"t want people to pick and choose what to believe, it's a packaged deal.

    I also think there is power in positive thinking, prayer, meditation, and any other names it falls under. The mind is a powerful thing that we don't understand that much about. I certainly don't think that blaming God for cancer or sickness makes any sense. I know that when some things can not be explained, that it's given the label of an "Act of God" My personal opinion is that when someone doesn't know the explanation of something, it's much easier to bring God into it. Many cultures that date back many thousands of years had gods for everything they didn't understand. There were gods for planting crops, gods for harvesting crops. They didn't understand how weather patterns so they had godsfor rain. Today we call them "Weathermen" but often they blame things on "Acts of God"
    -p
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Phil
    But you see Phil, I think God can be known. I need look no further than my own body. It is such a complex thing, each part working in total harmony with the others, to the point that I have no awareness of any of these things happening. When my father-in-law was on dialysis, I would walk into the treatment room and look at the massive machine that we humans had designed to replace the function of one small kidney in our bodies. I had to laugh.

    Then I look to creation and see the complexity and intricacy of everything. Gosh, if the planets were not in the exact orbit, speed, everything that they are, our solar system would crash together or spin away into eternity. There HAS to be something more than us that came up with the idea of everything and the capacity to bring it all into existence. I think we still believe in science that it takes matter and energy to "create" anything. Where did the original matter and energy come from?

    I think that God is graciously revealing Himself to us in many, many ways but we just choose to ignore Him. I keep asking non-believers for an alternative answer to the existence of everything but I usually just get either sputtering or some long-winded, technical explanation of something that didn't answer the question. My acceptance of the existence of God was not an emotional reaction to something but a reasoned, rational decision based upon all that I understand to be known about the world.

    Almost missed your last question. I am waiting for examples of the effectiveness of alternative treatments. No one will give them to me other than their own examples which are too vague to stake my, or my husband's, life on. I was quite hesitant about Jake taking chemo because the statistics as I understood them sounded terrible. But then I got on these sites and read example after example from people like you that were living years beyond the statistics and enjoying the life that you had. If someone would point me to examples like that about alternatives, I would seriously consider them. But I am still waiting.

    To Know What Can Not Be Known
    "There HAS to be something more than us that came up with the idea of everything and the capacity to bring it all into existence. I think we still believe in science that it takes matter and energy to "create" anything. Where did the original matter and energy come from?"
    I totally agree that there is more to everything than just US. I just don't KNOW what it is. Maybe there is God it could be God's creation, but also, maybe there is no God so it was created by something we know even less about than what we think we know about God. I also believe that when we die, our spirit goes on. Where to, I have no idea .

    If one were to look at medicine, it could be argued that God wanted someone to die but man, working through Satan, devised a method to cheat death by having some machines keep us alive. One coud also argue that God gave the doctor/inventor the knowledge to build such a machine. Then again, maybe a man saw a need for this machine so he just built it.

    Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part.
    Your last comment about wanting a list of names of alternative treatment folks. What good would it really do you? Just because 'whatever' worked for 'whoever', there's no guarantee that it will work for your husband.
    Nothing has a guarantee in life except Death & Taxes and you can only cheat on one of them....
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    To Know What Can Not Be Known
    "There HAS to be something more than us that came up with the idea of everything and the capacity to bring it all into existence. I think we still believe in science that it takes matter and energy to "create" anything. Where did the original matter and energy come from?"
    I totally agree that there is more to everything than just US. I just don't KNOW what it is. Maybe there is God it could be God's creation, but also, maybe there is no God so it was created by something we know even less about than what we think we know about God. I also believe that when we die, our spirit goes on. Where to, I have no idea .

    If one were to look at medicine, it could be argued that God wanted someone to die but man, working through Satan, devised a method to cheat death by having some machines keep us alive. One coud also argue that God gave the doctor/inventor the knowledge to build such a machine. Then again, maybe a man saw a need for this machine so he just built it.

    Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part.
    Your last comment about wanting a list of names of alternative treatment folks. What good would it really do you? Just because 'whatever' worked for 'whoever', there's no guarantee that it will work for your husband.
    Nothing has a guarantee in life except Death & Taxes and you can only cheat on one of them....

    Random vs ordered
    "Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part."

    I guess you see random, unconnected actions but I see a very orderly, sequential progress of things. I don't think creation is random at all. I believe creation is structured in such a precise way that any deviation would make it not work.

    As far as inventions, I believe that God allows the knowledge but it is up to us to do good or evil with it. A machine that keeps someone alive so that some part of their body can heal is a good thing. But to use that machine to keep someone alive to say get social security checks would be an evil use of the machine. Same with nuclear capacity--can be used for great good or evil. It is up to us.

    Concerning alternatives, if there were as little evidence of conventional medicine helping someone as I have been shown for alternative medicine, I would probably not use conventional medicine either. What would be the point? But I know many people whose cancer was eradicated by conventional means so I know that it works quite a lot of the time. To expect someone to give up most of the foods they enjoy and spend hours a day concocting potions that don't do anything seems kind of silly. We can spend our time doing a lot of other things. I just have to conclude that the people posting on the colon site don't know anyone else who has tried what they have done and it has worked. Otherwise they would give me that information.
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    To Know What Can Not Be Known
    "There HAS to be something more than us that came up with the idea of everything and the capacity to bring it all into existence. I think we still believe in science that it takes matter and energy to "create" anything. Where did the original matter and energy come from?"
    I totally agree that there is more to everything than just US. I just don't KNOW what it is. Maybe there is God it could be God's creation, but also, maybe there is no God so it was created by something we know even less about than what we think we know about God. I also believe that when we die, our spirit goes on. Where to, I have no idea .

    If one were to look at medicine, it could be argued that God wanted someone to die but man, working through Satan, devised a method to cheat death by having some machines keep us alive. One coud also argue that God gave the doctor/inventor the knowledge to build such a machine. Then again, maybe a man saw a need for this machine so he just built it.

    Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part.
    Your last comment about wanting a list of names of alternative treatment folks. What good would it really do you? Just because 'whatever' worked for 'whoever', there's no guarantee that it will work for your husband.
    Nothing has a guarantee in life except Death & Taxes and you can only cheat on one of them....

    Random vs ordered
    "Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part."

    I guess you see random, unconnected actions but I see a very orderly, sequential progress of things. I don't think creation is random at all. I believe creation is structured in such a precise way that any deviation would make it not work.

    As far as inventions, I believe that God allows the knowledge but it is up to us to do good or evil with it. A machine that keeps someone alive so that some part of their body can heal is a good thing. But to use that machine to keep someone alive to say get social security checks would be an evil use of the machine. Same with nuclear capacity--can be used for great good or evil. It is up to us.

    Concerning alternatives, if there were as little evidence of conventional medicine helping someone as I have been shown for alternative medicine, I would probably not use conventional medicine either. What would be the point? But I know many people whose cancer was eradicated by conventional means so I know that it works quite a lot of the time. To expect someone to give up most of the foods they enjoy and spend hours a day concocting potions that don't do anything seems kind of silly. We can spend our time doing a lot of other things. I just have to conclude that the people posting on the colon site don't know anyone else who has tried what they have done and it has worked. Otherwise they would give me that information.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Random vs ordered
    "Everything is so totally random in our world for the most part."

    I guess you see random, unconnected actions but I see a very orderly, sequential progress of things. I don't think creation is random at all. I believe creation is structured in such a precise way that any deviation would make it not work.

    As far as inventions, I believe that God allows the knowledge but it is up to us to do good or evil with it. A machine that keeps someone alive so that some part of their body can heal is a good thing. But to use that machine to keep someone alive to say get social security checks would be an evil use of the machine. Same with nuclear capacity--can be used for great good or evil. It is up to us.

    Concerning alternatives, if there were as little evidence of conventional medicine helping someone as I have been shown for alternative medicine, I would probably not use conventional medicine either. What would be the point? But I know many people whose cancer was eradicated by conventional means so I know that it works quite a lot of the time. To expect someone to give up most of the foods they enjoy and spend hours a day concocting potions that don't do anything seems kind of silly. We can spend our time doing a lot of other things. I just have to conclude that the people posting on the colon site don't know anyone else who has tried what they have done and it has worked. Otherwise they would give me that information.

    Laurettes
    I really doubt that we are ever going agree.
    BTW: I get the feeling that you do not believe in evolution.

    I believe that chemo saved my life. Can I PROVE it? No.
    Maybe if I did nothing I'd be in the same place I am now.
    Maybe if I tried the Alternatives I'd be at the same place I am now.
    Maybe I'd be better, maybe I'd be dead.
    If I ran out of options I would likely try alternatives but right now, I'm very comfortable with my choices and do not plan on changing anything.
    Is this the "right" thing to do? Who's to say but it's my life and my choice.

    If I had to sum up "what gets my goat" it would have to be those who claim that there is only one answer and THEY know what it is. It also annoys the hell out of me when people badmouth something they never did. How can they claim it's the boogeyman when they didn't do it? Why can't they just say "I don't know"? Why can't they acknowledge that chemo HAS helped countless people? No one expects them to say it's a walk in the park 'cause it ain't.

    I just have to add that I by no means know the answers. I do not (and never claimed) to know them. I just believe that there are many things that are beyond my comprehension and will likely stay there. I would also say that I think certain things are unknowable to mankind. It's not something that makes people happy since we have an innate desire to learn
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    Laurettes
    I really doubt that we are ever going agree.
    BTW: I get the feeling that you do not believe in evolution.

    I believe that chemo saved my life. Can I PROVE it? No.
    Maybe if I did nothing I'd be in the same place I am now.
    Maybe if I tried the Alternatives I'd be at the same place I am now.
    Maybe I'd be better, maybe I'd be dead.
    If I ran out of options I would likely try alternatives but right now, I'm very comfortable with my choices and do not plan on changing anything.
    Is this the "right" thing to do? Who's to say but it's my life and my choice.

    If I had to sum up "what gets my goat" it would have to be those who claim that there is only one answer and THEY know what it is. It also annoys the hell out of me when people badmouth something they never did. How can they claim it's the boogeyman when they didn't do it? Why can't they just say "I don't know"? Why can't they acknowledge that chemo HAS helped countless people? No one expects them to say it's a walk in the park 'cause it ain't.

    I just have to add that I by no means know the answers. I do not (and never claimed) to know them. I just believe that there are many things that are beyond my comprehension and will likely stay there. I would also say that I think certain things are unknowable to mankind. It's not something that makes people happy since we have an innate desire to learn

    Maybe not
    We may not agree but isn't it good to talk about things? I was one the questioned a lot of things but when I was told something that actually made sense, then I could accept it. The existence of God was one of those things. When I finally had it explained to me in a somewhat sensible way, I could accept it. Just couldn't go along with those who denied dinosaurs, said the earth was only a few thousand years old, etc. etc.

    As far as evolution goes, I have no problem with the concept. My objection would be concerning those saying it is random and happenstance and who deny there is someone who started and is now guiding the process

    What gets your goat is what I find consoling. I like knowing that there are concrete realities, that there is objective truth, and that it is knowable. My favorite subject was math--at the level I learned there was always a right answer. I couldn't function if I was so uncertain of everything that I couldn't say something was right or wrong, true or not true. It is windy today, I like being able to state that in all assurance that it is true.
  • fanniemay
    fanniemay Member Posts: 53
    PhillieG said:

    Ain't that the truth Hondo
    Think of how different/boring this site could be if not for me. OK. don't think too much, I may find myself voted off the Island!
    One thing I do not do is get "upset" about it. This forum is really mainly just about exchanging ideas. I will say that that the posts by that "lady" who seemed to have joined for 1 day, had no profile so likely wasn't even someone with cancer, posted the same post that really had nothing to do with cancer, and it seemed more like just a disciple spreading the word. At least she could have personalized it for each forum she posted it in :-)

    What I do enjoy seeing more of is that many people feel that they will see many people from many faiths. I certainly may be wrong, but I was taught t believe that unless one accepted the "whole package" they really were'nt true beleivers. I think that those are the "Terry Jones'" of the world and do not represent the majority of Christians in his case. I know the Catholic church is not very happy with the Buffett Catholics as they call them. One can not be Catholic and be pro-choice. They don"t want people to pick and choose what to believe, it's a packaged deal.

    I also think there is power in positive thinking, prayer, meditation, and any other names it falls under. The mind is a powerful thing that we don't understand that much about. I certainly don't think that blaming God for cancer or sickness makes any sense. I know that when some things can not be explained, that it's given the label of an "Act of God" My personal opinion is that when someone doesn't know the explanation of something, it's much easier to bring God into it. Many cultures that date back many thousands of years had gods for everything they didn't understand. There were gods for planting crops, gods for harvesting crops. They didn't understand how weather patterns so they had godsfor rain. Today we call them "Weathermen" but often they blame things on "Acts of God"
    -p


  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    fanniemay said:


    Change of Heart?
    Interesting post, I read it last night but didn't comment. Everyone's entitled to their views and can interpret what happened to them however they wish. The bottom line is who knows?
    Thanks for posting if it were only briefly...
    Do you know Freddie Mac?
    :-)
    Merry Christmas...
    -phil
  • kokomc
    kokomc Member Posts: 22
    Healing in the Name of Jesus

    To a person who is a true Christian it should not hurt at all, but to someone who is not a Christian I might see where they would get offended. I would think that if someone posted about their healing they would want stay to share the rest of the story and help give faith to others who may be having the same problems. Maybe they are just afraid if they stayed they would be bullied about their faith, I really don’t know but everyone is different in how they share their faith.

    This is my first time on this forum; and I find it is kind of a paradox to me. Being it says Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation, I see no one praying or asking for prayer, and I see no Meditation of any kind or any belief. Maybe this forum it is just named wrong and gives the wrong impression to people when they come here.

    Mary
  • sea60
    sea60 Member Posts: 2,613
    kokomc said:

    Healing in the Name of Jesus

    To a person who is a true Christian it should not hurt at all, but to someone who is not a Christian I might see where they would get offended. I would think that if someone posted about their healing they would want stay to share the rest of the story and help give faith to others who may be having the same problems. Maybe they are just afraid if they stayed they would be bullied about their faith, I really don’t know but everyone is different in how they share their faith.

    This is my first time on this forum; and I find it is kind of a paradox to me. Being it says Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation, I see no one praying or asking for prayer, and I see no Meditation of any kind or any belief. Maybe this forum it is just named wrong and gives the wrong impression to people when they come here.

    Mary

    HA! Totally agree. I said
    HA! Totally agree. I said the same a while back Mary. They totally need to rename this...LOL!
  • Marcia527
    Marcia527 Member Posts: 2,729
    kokomc said:

    Healing in the Name of Jesus

    To a person who is a true Christian it should not hurt at all, but to someone who is not a Christian I might see where they would get offended. I would think that if someone posted about their healing they would want stay to share the rest of the story and help give faith to others who may be having the same problems. Maybe they are just afraid if they stayed they would be bullied about their faith, I really don’t know but everyone is different in how they share their faith.

    This is my first time on this forum; and I find it is kind of a paradox to me. Being it says Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation, I see no one praying or asking for prayer, and I see no Meditation of any kind or any belief. Maybe this forum it is just named wrong and gives the wrong impression to people when they come here.

    Mary

    I see belief here on this
    I see belief here on this forum.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    kokomc said:

    Healing in the Name of Jesus

    To a person who is a true Christian it should not hurt at all, but to someone who is not a Christian I might see where they would get offended. I would think that if someone posted about their healing they would want stay to share the rest of the story and help give faith to others who may be having the same problems. Maybe they are just afraid if they stayed they would be bullied about their faith, I really don’t know but everyone is different in how they share their faith.

    This is my first time on this forum; and I find it is kind of a paradox to me. Being it says Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation, I see no one praying or asking for prayer, and I see no Meditation of any kind or any belief. Maybe this forum it is just named wrong and gives the wrong impression to people when they come here.

    Mary

    Maybe it's Because...
    those who want to spread the word or make Christian posts don't want to preach to the choir, they want to post in specific cancer forums where people are asking questions about treatment options and not praying hard enough. They also seemed to resent being asked not to proselytize. The creation of this forum was an attempt to get the requests for "weekly prayer threads" and the posts telling people with cancer that if we didn't accept Jesus as our savior we deserve to be in Hell, off the colon cancer forum. Since I joined this site in May 2005, I HAVE NEVER ONCE saw any other religious group make a religious post in the colon cancer forum. Could it be that other faiths don't get sick? Or could it be that many people know that discussing religion is a hot topic (like politics) so when dealing with many people from various backgrounds and faiths that it's often better to keep posts to cancer questions and not make the site feel like it is a White-Christian-only site which alienates people and keeps many from joining and/or posting?

    The people who this forum was supposed to benefit decided they'd rather keep violating the TOC of the site and were banned and are now on the other sites where Christians with Cancer is the main theme. That's great, they are with others who believe what they believe so they can exchange verses and complain about their perceived persecution of Christians.

    This forum was a good place to ask questions about what people may believe happens to them after they die, if cancer has been all bad for them, and other topics that affect us all but there really wasn't a specific place for them. It's also become a great place for people to argue about who is right about the existence of "God" and who is wrong.

    Of course I may be totally wrong with what I've seen in the 6+ years I've been on the forum.

    Marcia is right though, some people DO discuss their beliefs on here but it's not that frequent.
  • kokomc
    kokomc Member Posts: 22
    PhillieG said:

    Maybe it's Because...
    those who want to spread the word or make Christian posts don't want to preach to the choir, they want to post in specific cancer forums where people are asking questions about treatment options and not praying hard enough. They also seemed to resent being asked not to proselytize. The creation of this forum was an attempt to get the requests for "weekly prayer threads" and the posts telling people with cancer that if we didn't accept Jesus as our savior we deserve to be in Hell, off the colon cancer forum. Since I joined this site in May 2005, I HAVE NEVER ONCE saw any other religious group make a religious post in the colon cancer forum. Could it be that other faiths don't get sick? Or could it be that many people know that discussing religion is a hot topic (like politics) so when dealing with many people from various backgrounds and faiths that it's often better to keep posts to cancer questions and not make the site feel like it is a White-Christian-only site which alienates people and keeps many from joining and/or posting?

    The people who this forum was supposed to benefit decided they'd rather keep violating the TOC of the site and were banned and are now on the other sites where Christians with Cancer is the main theme. That's great, they are with others who believe what they believe so they can exchange verses and complain about their perceived persecution of Christians.

    This forum was a good place to ask questions about what people may believe happens to them after they die, if cancer has been all bad for them, and other topics that affect us all but there really wasn't a specific place for them. It's also become a great place for people to argue about who is right about the existence of "God" and who is wrong.

    Of course I may be totally wrong with what I've seen in the 6+ years I've been on the forum.

    Marcia is right though, some people DO discuss their beliefs on here but it's not that frequent.

    Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation

    Not just Christians pray and meditate; there are a lot of people of all Faiths, Religions, and Creeds that do the same and I am sure they come to this site seeking just that. I have friends who are of totally different faiths and beliefs and the common denominator between all of us is that we pray and meditate. I think that Muslims and Buddhist pray more than any faith or religion in the world; I see a few here posting now and then but none asking or requesting pray. I did see a few Christians asking for pray but again not many and I don't think they are here anymore. So back to my original question why is this forum called Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation if that is not what it is used for.

    There are always people of all faiths and religions Atheist included who will try and force their way of believing on everyone else. I can understand if these are the people you are talking about getting band from this site. My personal belief is that people should be free to believe or not to believe what they want. I don’t argue about my belief because I don’t try to force my way on anyone else. But when I see something that is saying Spirituality, Prayer, and Meditation that is what I am expecting to find. I guess this site is like religion everyone sees it in their own way.

    Don’t get me wrong I am just trying to understand that if I want to ask for prayer or ask someone to meditate with me about something this is not the place to do it.

    Mary