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  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Yoga explanation
    This might explain better what I am trying to say about yoga:

    Swami Sivasiva Palana writing in the January 1991 issue of Hinduism Today: "A small army of yoga missionaries . . . beautifully trained in the last 10 years, is about to set upon the Western world. They may not call themselves Hindu, but Hindu knows where yoga came from and where it goes."


    What is Yoga?

    According to Iyengar Yoga Resources, yoga comes from the Sanskrit word yuj meaning to yoke or unite.

    In India, yoga is considered one of the six branches of classical Hindu philosophy and is referred to in ancient Indian scriptures, the Vedas. Its goal is to reach kaivalya — "ultimate freedom" — by releasing the soul from the chains of cause-and-effect [karma] which tie the person to continual reincarnation. Yoga uses physical exercises, powers of concentration and breathing techniques, as well as meditation, to achieve that end.

    Father James Manjackal, a popular retreat master in India, described yoga to Catherine Maria Rhodes of the Catholic Media Coalition in this way: It is a spiritual discipline purporting to lead the soul to samadhi, the state in which the natural and divine become one.

    "It is interesting to note that postures and breathing exercises, often considered to be the whole of yoga in the West, are steps three and four towards union with Brahman in the East," Father Manjackal said.


    'Christian' yoga?

    Many Western yoga practitioners claim yoga transcends religion and can be practiced independent of its Hindu roots — or that it can even be "Christianized," becoming, in effect, "Christian yoga."

    But many experts don’t believe such a thing is possible.

    "Yoga renamed is still Hindu," said Subhas R. Tiwari, a professor at the Hindu University of America, who holds a master’s degree in yoga philosophy.

    Tiwari finds "Christianizing" yoga suspect, as well as wrong-headed. "This effort to extricate yoga from its Hindu mold, and cast it under another name, is far from innocent. Newly minted 'Christian yoga' is really yoga," he said.

    "The simple, immutable fact is that yoga originated from the Vedic, or Hindu, culture," Tiwari added. "Its techniques were not ‘adopted’ by Hinduism, but originated from it."



    "However much proponents insist that these techniques are valuable as methods, and imply no teaching contrary to Christianity," he writes, "the techniques in themselves . . . in their own context, the postures and exercises, are designed for their specific religious purpose.

    "Even when they are carried out within a Christian atmosphere, the intrinsic meaning of these gestures remains intact."

    OK
    But one can stretch and exercise because it makes them feel good. Religion has nothing to do with it unless you WANT it to have a religious overtone. If I'm home and have bread and some wine, am I celebrating the Eucharist or just having a glass of wine and some bread? It's what one makes of it I believe...
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    laurettas said:

    Yoga explanation
    This might explain better what I am trying to say about yoga:

    Swami Sivasiva Palana writing in the January 1991 issue of Hinduism Today: "A small army of yoga missionaries . . . beautifully trained in the last 10 years, is about to set upon the Western world. They may not call themselves Hindu, but Hindu knows where yoga came from and where it goes."


    What is Yoga?

    According to Iyengar Yoga Resources, yoga comes from the Sanskrit word yuj meaning to yoke or unite.

    In India, yoga is considered one of the six branches of classical Hindu philosophy and is referred to in ancient Indian scriptures, the Vedas. Its goal is to reach kaivalya — "ultimate freedom" — by releasing the soul from the chains of cause-and-effect [karma] which tie the person to continual reincarnation. Yoga uses physical exercises, powers of concentration and breathing techniques, as well as meditation, to achieve that end.

    Father James Manjackal, a popular retreat master in India, described yoga to Catherine Maria Rhodes of the Catholic Media Coalition in this way: It is a spiritual discipline purporting to lead the soul to samadhi, the state in which the natural and divine become one.

    "It is interesting to note that postures and breathing exercises, often considered to be the whole of yoga in the West, are steps three and four towards union with Brahman in the East," Father Manjackal said.


    'Christian' yoga?

    Many Western yoga practitioners claim yoga transcends religion and can be practiced independent of its Hindu roots — or that it can even be "Christianized," becoming, in effect, "Christian yoga."

    But many experts don’t believe such a thing is possible.

    "Yoga renamed is still Hindu," said Subhas R. Tiwari, a professor at the Hindu University of America, who holds a master’s degree in yoga philosophy.

    Tiwari finds "Christianizing" yoga suspect, as well as wrong-headed. "This effort to extricate yoga from its Hindu mold, and cast it under another name, is far from innocent. Newly minted 'Christian yoga' is really yoga," he said.

    "The simple, immutable fact is that yoga originated from the Vedic, or Hindu, culture," Tiwari added. "Its techniques were not ‘adopted’ by Hinduism, but originated from it."



    "However much proponents insist that these techniques are valuable as methods, and imply no teaching contrary to Christianity," he writes, "the techniques in themselves . . . in their own context, the postures and exercises, are designed for their specific religious purpose.

    "Even when they are carried out within a Christian atmosphere, the intrinsic meaning of these gestures remains intact."

    Thanks for making my point for me
    Yoga is both Hindu and Buddhist, and of course a strict Hindu would see a westerner practicing yoga and see it as proof that they are now pantheist/polytheist (not bloody likely), much as my neighbor seeing me decorate for Xmas and seeing it as proof I am a Christian.

    Of course, Krishna says: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his or her faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me alone." (Gita 7:21-22). Little did you know that you have been Hindu all along (if you take the Hindu's at their word).

    As I said before, the Shaolin priests may believe that all the Kung Fu studios are spreading their Buddhist beliefs, but the only one they are fooling is themselves.
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    Buckwirth said:

    Thanks for making my point for me
    Yoga is both Hindu and Buddhist, and of course a strict Hindu would see a westerner practicing yoga and see it as proof that they are now pantheist/polytheist (not bloody likely), much as my neighbor seeing me decorate for Xmas and seeing it as proof I am a Christian.

    Of course, Krishna says: "Whatever deity or form a devotee worships, I make his or her faith steady. However, their wishes are only granted by Me alone." (Gita 7:21-22). Little did you know that you have been Hindu all along (if you take the Hindu's at their word).

    As I said before, the Shaolin priests may believe that all the Kung Fu studios are spreading their Buddhist beliefs, but the only one they are fooling is themselves.

    A couple of points
    Most yoga is done with a trainer or whatever you want to call them. They may be imparting their religious element into what they are leading you to do and you would have no idea.

    Also, I once owned a Ouija board. I looked at it as another board game(I was an atheist). However, it gave me answers, correct answers to questions I did not know the answers to. My ignorance of what I was doing had no effect on the ability of the object to do something supernatural. Your opinions, I believe, are only valid if there is no supernatural world. Since I believe that there are beings above my human nature, I believe that the supernatural can work whether we believe or not. We merely need invite them in--even unknowingly.

    But whether you believe that or not, is not the point of this discussion, is it? If someone perceives it as religious proselytizing then it should not be permitted, should it?
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Hi Bluerose
    I think that there is a lot of power in what we believe. I used to brush off coincidences in the past but having cancer really tuned me in moreso to them. There hasn't been anything earth shattering but still, little things happen and I don't ignore them. Or at least I try not to ignore them. The mind/body connection is very powerful, I don't know if we'll ever really understand it. In my youth, I did psilosyben mushrooms a few times. They've been used in religious/spiritual ceremonies for thousands of years. Very many people experience what is best described as being one with God. My experience wasn't religious but it was incredibly spiritual and peaceful. They actually are doing studies at Johns Hopkins on the benefit of mushrooms for people with later stage cancer. I applied but never heard back :-(

    I have a very close friend who hit a tree while skiing out West and had an out of body experience. He felt like he could have crossed over but chose not to. I have no reason to doubt him or you either. I think too that two people can have the same experience but interpret it very differently. If I were religious, I certainly could have taken my experiences as a sign from God.

    I agree that most people who discuss their beliefs do it good faith. However...that really did not seem to be the case with the post I'm referring to. It seemed to strictly be a spread the word post and a hit and run. SPAM.
    I don't see how it helps their cause at all.

    Thanks for posting
    -phil

    Phil -

    Re:
    "But one can stretch and exercise because it makes them feel good.
    Religion has nothing to do with it unless you WANT it to have a
    religious overtone. If I'm home and have bread and some wine, am
    I celebrating the Eucharist or just having a glass of wine and
    some bread? It's what one makes of it I believe..."


    (hahaa.....)

    And sometimes a cigar is just a cigar!


    Enjoy the healthy instincts He's given us all!

    John
  • bluerose
    bluerose Member Posts: 1,104
    PhillieG said:

    Hi Bluerose
    I think that there is a lot of power in what we believe. I used to brush off coincidences in the past but having cancer really tuned me in moreso to them. There hasn't been anything earth shattering but still, little things happen and I don't ignore them. Or at least I try not to ignore them. The mind/body connection is very powerful, I don't know if we'll ever really understand it. In my youth, I did psilosyben mushrooms a few times. They've been used in religious/spiritual ceremonies for thousands of years. Very many people experience what is best described as being one with God. My experience wasn't religious but it was incredibly spiritual and peaceful. They actually are doing studies at Johns Hopkins on the benefit of mushrooms for people with later stage cancer. I applied but never heard back :-(

    I have a very close friend who hit a tree while skiing out West and had an out of body experience. He felt like he could have crossed over but chose not to. I have no reason to doubt him or you either. I think too that two people can have the same experience but interpret it very differently. If I were religious, I certainly could have taken my experiences as a sign from God.

    I agree that most people who discuss their beliefs do it good faith. However...that really did not seem to be the case with the post I'm referring to. It seemed to strictly be a spread the word post and a hit and run. SPAM.
    I don't see how it helps their cause at all.

    Thanks for posting
    -phil

    Hello Phil
    Even 'hit and run' posts as you describe them to me are just a sign of a person who wants to spread the word because that person so deeply believes and wants to help others. I don't know, online who really knows who anyone is and why they say and do the things they do and really, does it matter? Like you said, and I agree, people's beliefs are powerful so let's let them have those beliefs and not worry about it or question it too deeply. I don't see the point in that.

    I had an out of body experience too once when I was a teen and it was so strange. I actually realized that I was looking down on myself while I was meditating and could feel the cold walls up in the corner of the room where I was watching myself. It scared me though so I somehow zoomed back into my body but I can tell you that changes you when you go through something like that. As did the healing I had.

    Yup I agree different people have different ways of looking at any experience but the healing I had not only contained the feeling of heat going through me deliberately but I had an inner message confirming (in a voice but not a voice - inside - sort of like what you would think telephathy is like) confirming to my thoughts that 'yes, this is a healing from God and it won't be back)' - the cancer won't be back. I have of course had dreams before, hallucinations from bad medical reactions too, and this wasn't like any of those, not even close. I really wish you could experience something like this as I wish this for all who deal with any adversity, it changes you. The frustration of not being believed or knowing that people won't take the information as proof something is out there and watching over us is hard to handle sometimes. For that reason I like to look at people who post spiritual issues as people who KNOW the truth and just want to help.

    Again, dats my 3 cents.

    Have a good day Phil.

    Bluerose
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    OK
    But one can stretch and exercise because it makes them feel good. Religion has nothing to do with it unless you WANT it to have a religious overtone. If I'm home and have bread and some wine, am I celebrating the Eucharist or just having a glass of wine and some bread? It's what one makes of it I believe...

    Thought about this last night
    I think the comparison would be more the opposite. It would be like a non-believer attending Mass and at Communion going up and receiving the Sacrament. Was God present in that Sacrament even though the person receiving didn't think so? I would say yes. I think it is the same with yoga. If the proper ritual is followed, I believe the spiritual happens whether we believe in it or not.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Thought about this last night
    I think the comparison would be more the opposite. It would be like a non-believer attending Mass and at Communion going up and receiving the Sacrament. Was God present in that Sacrament even though the person receiving didn't think so? I would say yes. I think it is the same with yoga. If the proper ritual is followed, I believe the spiritual happens whether we believe in it or not.

    Laurettas
    That is what it means to YOU. It wouldn't mean anything to someone who doesn't believe the same thing.
    You ask if a nonbeliever were to go up and get communion and if God would be present there even though the person receiving it doesn't think so. You say He would be present. In YOUR eyes he would be present but in the nonbelievers eyes it just a bread wafer. You are taking YOUR beliefs and putting them on to another person. Do you see that's what your doing or do you think that no matter what the other person believes, that your faith and beliefs cancel out what the other person believes?

    It's like trying to convince a Jewish person that Jesus was the son of God. They don't believe that (yes, a small group does believe that but most don't). You can say that Jesus was the son of God but that's your belief and the beliefs of many other like minded people.

    I am not surprised that you feel the same way about yoga but some people DO practice it without ANY religious overtones no matter what others think.
    Does that make any sense to you or is it religious no matter what the other person believes?
    -p
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member
    bluerose said:

    Hello Phil
    Even 'hit and run' posts as you describe them to me are just a sign of a person who wants to spread the word because that person so deeply believes and wants to help others. I don't know, online who really knows who anyone is and why they say and do the things they do and really, does it matter? Like you said, and I agree, people's beliefs are powerful so let's let them have those beliefs and not worry about it or question it too deeply. I don't see the point in that.

    I had an out of body experience too once when I was a teen and it was so strange. I actually realized that I was looking down on myself while I was meditating and could feel the cold walls up in the corner of the room where I was watching myself. It scared me though so I somehow zoomed back into my body but I can tell you that changes you when you go through something like that. As did the healing I had.

    Yup I agree different people have different ways of looking at any experience but the healing I had not only contained the feeling of heat going through me deliberately but I had an inner message confirming (in a voice but not a voice - inside - sort of like what you would think telephathy is like) confirming to my thoughts that 'yes, this is a healing from God and it won't be back)' - the cancer won't be back. I have of course had dreams before, hallucinations from bad medical reactions too, and this wasn't like any of those, not even close. I really wish you could experience something like this as I wish this for all who deal with any adversity, it changes you. The frustration of not being believed or knowing that people won't take the information as proof something is out there and watching over us is hard to handle sometimes. For that reason I like to look at people who post spiritual issues as people who KNOW the truth and just want to help.

    Again, dats my 3 cents.

    Have a good day Phil.

    Bluerose

    osstrich in the sand
    Those beliefs that you consider we should simply accept may lead to fascism, totalitariansim, slavery, racial injustice, religious intolerance (ironically), sexism, ageism, on and on.

    All beliefs are not equal in merit and benign acceptance can and has led to malignancy of the worst kind. It is not just in our nature to question, it is not just our right to question, it is our moral imperative to question.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • z
    z Member Posts: 1,414 Member
    Marcia527 said:

    usually my opinion is insignificant :>)
    I'm about to open my mouth and insert foot. I'm making a comment on something I didn't watch. If I doubt what the person who is posting is about, I don't follow their links. It could be a virus. Even if it's not a virus I refuse to contribute to their 'count'. Maybe they posted all over this site to increase their 'count' for a reason other than religion. I don't know how YouTube works but blogs you can moneyize and every click you gain a little. To do well you need high numbers. So they have to push their blog. I think high numbers gets you more attention. Just another angle.

    I have a blog and one day someone left a comment and a link to his blog. I found he was a hacker (self confessed). He was following a whole string of blogs. There are some strange people out there and it's hard to know what their motivation is. I did delete the comment he left on my blog (I moderate comments,heehee, only good survive).

    So in answer to your question, Phil...what was the question? Never mind. It's hard to get a straight answer out of me anyway.

    Marcia
    Marcia, Off Topic, but is that a cat in your vehicle?
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    z said:

    Marcia
    Marcia, Off Topic, but is that a cat in your vehicle?

    Z
    We got off topic a long time ago...
    :-)
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    Laurettas
    That is what it means to YOU. It wouldn't mean anything to someone who doesn't believe the same thing.
    You ask if a nonbeliever were to go up and get communion and if God would be present there even though the person receiving it doesn't think so. You say He would be present. In YOUR eyes he would be present but in the nonbelievers eyes it just a bread wafer. You are taking YOUR beliefs and putting them on to another person. Do you see that's what your doing or do you think that no matter what the other person believes, that your faith and beliefs cancel out what the other person believes?

    It's like trying to convince a Jewish person that Jesus was the son of God. They don't believe that (yes, a small group does believe that but most don't). You can say that Jesus was the son of God but that's your belief and the beliefs of many other like minded people.

    I am not surprised that you feel the same way about yoga but some people DO practice it without ANY religious overtones no matter what others think.
    Does that make any sense to you or is it religious no matter what the other person believes?
    -p

    Hmmm....
    OK so imagine that you and I were standing on top of a tall building and I had the idea that I wanted to step off the side and run with the birds that were flying around. You tried to convince me that there was gravity but I didn't believe it. Couldn't see it at all and the birds seemed to be doing fine by cruising around in the air. I stepped off. Would I fall since I didn't believe there was gravity?
  • Angela_K
    Angela_K Member Posts: 374 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Z
    We got off topic a long time ago...
    :-)

    Back on topic . . .
    I didn't read all of the comments associated to your original post so my response may be repetitive . . .but here goes:

    That Jesus comment didn't help one damn thing. No light bulbs went off. No one changed their beliefs. Perhaps other Christian zealots nodded their heads in agreement. But statements like that turn. me. off.

    I believe in the power of good nutrition. And good medicine. And, yes, I am a firm believer in the power of abundant prayer for healing, peaceful and loving souls.

    To the god/goddesses of our choice. And then living what we believe by example rather than spewing such comments on cancer survivor boards.

    And I happen to consider myself a Christian. Among other things.

    :)
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Hmmm....
    OK so imagine that you and I were standing on top of a tall building and I had the idea that I wanted to step off the side and run with the birds that were flying around. You tried to convince me that there was gravity but I didn't believe it. Couldn't see it at all and the birds seemed to be doing fine by cruising around in the air. I stepped off. Would I fall since I didn't believe there was gravity?

    Sure you would
    Gravity is a fact. God is not, it's a belief.
    Now if you were to ask if you would go to heaven or not, I'd have to say that I honestly do not know.
    But don't do it!!!!
    :-0
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    Sure you would
    Gravity is a fact. God is not, it's a belief.
    Now if you were to ask if you would go to heaven or not, I'd have to say that I honestly do not know.
    But don't do it!!!!
    :-0

    Your opinion
    I believe in objective truth and not in the subjectivity of everything. We are discussing two opposing statements:
    God exists
    God does not exist

    As far as I am concerned only one of those is true and it has nothing to do with what I think or believe.

    Just as the statements:

    There is a mouse in the house
    There is not a mouse in the house.

    Only one of those is true. Even if I don't see or "believe" that the mouse is in the house, if it is there, it is there, no matter what I think or believe.

    Also, please give me another example of a person's belief determining the existence of something.

    God is not an idea, he is a being and he either exists or he does not. If he does not exist then the host at communion is a piece of bread. If God does exist then the host is the Body of Christ. No matter what anyone thinks one way or the other. There is objective truth about God's existence. One person may believe that God does not exist and another believes that he does exist. Only one of the people is correct.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    laurettas said:

    Your opinion
    I believe in objective truth and not in the subjectivity of everything. We are discussing two opposing statements:
    God exists
    God does not exist

    As far as I am concerned only one of those is true and it has nothing to do with what I think or believe.

    Just as the statements:

    There is a mouse in the house
    There is not a mouse in the house.

    Only one of those is true. Even if I don't see or "believe" that the mouse is in the house, if it is there, it is there, no matter what I think or believe.

    Also, please give me another example of a person's belief determining the existence of something.

    God is not an idea, he is a being and he either exists or he does not. If he does not exist then the host at communion is a piece of bread. If God does exist then the host is the Body of Christ. No matter what anyone thinks one way or the other. There is objective truth about God's existence. One person may believe that God does not exist and another believes that he does exist. Only one of the people is correct.

    More like
    Schrödinger's Cat.

    Schrödinger's Cat: A cat, along with a flask containing a poison and a radioactive source, is placed in a sealed box shielded against environmentally induced quantum decoherence. If an internal Geiger counter detects radiation, the flask is shattered, releasing the poison that kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when we look in the box, we see the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead.

    Using this as the thought puzzle, god simultaneously exists and he does not exist, so both people are correct.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    laurettas said:

    A couple of points
    Most yoga is done with a trainer or whatever you want to call them. They may be imparting their religious element into what they are leading you to do and you would have no idea.

    Also, I once owned a Ouija board. I looked at it as another board game(I was an atheist). However, it gave me answers, correct answers to questions I did not know the answers to. My ignorance of what I was doing had no effect on the ability of the object to do something supernatural. Your opinions, I believe, are only valid if there is no supernatural world. Since I believe that there are beings above my human nature, I believe that the supernatural can work whether we believe or not. We merely need invite them in--even unknowingly.

    But whether you believe that or not, is not the point of this discussion, is it? If someone perceives it as religious proselytizing then it should not be permitted, should it?

    Well...
    " If someone perceives it as religious proselytizing then it should not be permitted, should it?" 

    Like most sites, this one is moderated. So, my interpretation of proselytizing is not the final word, the moderator gets to have that. (btw, there is a single moderator, and her name is Greta)
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    laurettas said:

    Your opinion
    I believe in objective truth and not in the subjectivity of everything. We are discussing two opposing statements:
    God exists
    God does not exist

    As far as I am concerned only one of those is true and it has nothing to do with what I think or believe.

    Just as the statements:

    There is a mouse in the house
    There is not a mouse in the house.

    Only one of those is true. Even if I don't see or "believe" that the mouse is in the house, if it is there, it is there, no matter what I think or believe.

    Also, please give me another example of a person's belief determining the existence of something.

    God is not an idea, he is a being and he either exists or he does not. If he does not exist then the host at communion is a piece of bread. If God does exist then the host is the Body of Christ. No matter what anyone thinks one way or the other. There is objective truth about God's existence. One person may believe that God does not exist and another believes that he does exist. Only one of the people is correct.

    Finally, a Conclusion.
    "If God does exist then the host is the Body of Christ."
    If God doesn't exist, then it's just a piece of bread...

    We do not know that God does, or does not exist. It's a matter of what each person believes. I am NOT saying I am right about whether there's a God or not, I've only been saying I do not agree with you.
    -p
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Hi Phil
    Wow you sure know how to keep the spark going don't you. I seen the post you were talking about, but did not pay it any mind as I do for a lot of things people post. I don’t see where getting up-set at things like that helps me to be a better or worse person, I just ignore it. As far as someone posting about some other religion I again would not be offended by something like that as I believe there will be in Heaven people from all religions. Who knows maybe people from the agnostic & atheist religions will be there too I can’t judge only God knows where they came from and why they believe what they believe.

    I do believe very strongly in the power of prayer and believe it the reason I am still here. If you read about me you will find that I never did treat my NPC Cancer when it came back a third time in 2005. All I did was prayer and some alternative treatment that’s been over 6 years ago and the doctors are still puzzled as to why I am not dead. I can’t say why some people gets healed and others don’t as I know there are a lot of other believers who have more faith then I do, and have went to sleep. But I don’t blame it on God I blame it on Sin. I do believe a lot of people have the wrong conception about God I guess that it why the world blames him for all the Bad things that happen and gives no credit to him when something good happens

    Just my take on the subject, have a great day
    Hondo
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    PhillieG said:

    Finally, a Conclusion.
    "If God does exist then the host is the Body of Christ."
    If God doesn't exist, then it's just a piece of bread...

    We do not know that God does, or does not exist. It's a matter of what each person believes. I am NOT saying I am right about whether there's a God or not, I've only been saying I do not agree with you.
    -p

    Again, Phil
    please give me an example of one other thing whose existence is dependent on what an individual thinks.
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372
    Buckwirth said:

    More like
    Schrödinger's Cat.

    Schrödinger's Cat: A cat, along with a flask containing a poison and a radioactive source, is placed in a sealed box shielded against environmentally induced quantum decoherence. If an internal Geiger counter detects radiation, the flask is shattered, releasing the poison that kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when we look in the box, we see the cat either alive or dead, not both alive and dead.

    Using this as the thought puzzle, god simultaneously exists and he does not exist, so both people are correct.

    A question
    Blake, how do you think that everything came into existence? Or has the universe always existed?