DIET post Apology from Joe

pete43lost_at_sea
pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
I got a PM from Joe asking me to pass on an apology for any offence his post caused.

i thought i'd keep this short and not stimulate heaps of discussion.

i made it a new post so his apology stands out clearly and its not lost with the discussions in scam post on the diet post.

i have hesitated about this apology post for a few hours not wanting to cause any more arguments, so if this post gets away from being loving and caring. i'll just pull it.
i felt joe apology request not unreasonable so here it is.

i don't have an email to contact him, i hope he comes back. as i really need some help getting my vegan lifestyle off the ground.

i am having a very bad reconnection day, and long posts are impossible for me. i probably won't be commenting on any replies if they come.

hugs,
pete
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  • herdizziness
    herdizziness Member Posts: 3,624 Member
    How Odd
    I really would of thought if he had sent a PM of apology it would have certainly went to scambuster his arch defender instead of you. Odd.
    Winter Marie
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    Thanks Pete
    Appreciate the forward.

    Edit:

    You can still PM him.
  • tootsie1
    tootsie1 Member Posts: 5,044 Member

    How Odd
    I really would of thought if he had sent a PM of apology it would have certainly went to scambuster his arch defender instead of you. Odd.
    Winter Marie

    Please
    Love you Winter, but let's just let it be, okay?

    *hugs*
    Gail
  • scouty
    scouty Member Posts: 1,965 Member

    How Odd
    I really would of thought if he had sent a PM of apology it would have certainly went to scambuster his arch defender instead of you. Odd.
    Winter Marie

    Geez!!!
    Wasn't odd. Pete reached out to him to learn more and apologize for our rude behavior and Joe simply replied back to him.

    Lisa P.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    Thanks for posting
    Sometimes things don't always come out the way we intend them to.
    I'd like to see more posts about alternatives, there are as many ways to get through cancer as there are ways to get cancer.
    I wasn't on my best behavior that day.
    -phil
  • plh4gail
    plh4gail Member Posts: 1,238 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Thanks for posting
    Sometimes things don't always come out the way we intend them to.
    I'd like to see more posts about alternatives, there are as many ways to get through cancer as there are ways to get cancer.
    I wasn't on my best behavior that day.
    -phil

    I'm ready for something but I don't know what
    Now that my brain is beginning to de-fog from dang chemo....I'm ready to try to learn something new about healthful possibilities! There is soo much I really don't know where to begin. All the vitamins and supplements I started for the oxy neuropathy seem to be so much but maybe if I just add a little at a time? I don't know....where do I begin???

    Thinking makes me dizzy, Gail
  • scouty
    scouty Member Posts: 1,965 Member
    plh4gail said:

    I'm ready for something but I don't know what
    Now that my brain is beginning to de-fog from dang chemo....I'm ready to try to learn something new about healthful possibilities! There is soo much I really don't know where to begin. All the vitamins and supplements I started for the oxy neuropathy seem to be so much but maybe if I just add a little at a time? I don't know....where do I begin???

    Thinking makes me dizzy, Gail

    Hi Gail
    Get the book "Anticancer" by Dr David Servan-Schreiber and it will explain and describe so much that you can do for yourself.

    Easy and reasonable stuff too, it is all about lifestyle changes. Yes there are some "drastic" kinds of things folks in the thick of the battle can do but it is a really easy to read and educational resource.

    I remember my first trip to a health food store. I was so intimidated and just wandered around looking at brands, costs, and labels. All I bought was an O magazine but I went back the next weeks to learn some more.

    Good for you for at least thinking about it.

    Lisa P.
  • plh4gail
    plh4gail Member Posts: 1,238 Member
    scouty said:

    Hi Gail
    Get the book "Anticancer" by Dr David Servan-Schreiber and it will explain and describe so much that you can do for yourself.

    Easy and reasonable stuff too, it is all about lifestyle changes. Yes there are some "drastic" kinds of things folks in the thick of the battle can do but it is a really easy to read and educational resource.

    I remember my first trip to a health food store. I was so intimidated and just wandered around looking at brands, costs, and labels. All I bought was an O magazine but I went back the next weeks to learn some more.

    Good for you for at least thinking about it.

    Lisa P.

    Hi Lisa...I need to get that
    Hi Lisa...I need to get that book! You are sure not the first to tell me to get it so I better do it. I do want to make some changes and now that I'm waking up from the fog I was in it's time! Raquel gives so much good information and Lisa too. It just gets overwhelming and then I end up doing nothing...

    Gail
  • ellamenno
    ellamenno Member Posts: 142 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Thanks for posting
    Sometimes things don't always come out the way we intend them to.
    I'd like to see more posts about alternatives, there are as many ways to get through cancer as there are ways to get cancer.
    I wasn't on my best behavior that day.
    -phil

    Pete, thanks for posting...
    I would like to give the guy another chance, I mean, remember how John23 was received. And look at him now, diplomacy and all.

    Phil, Love your reference. I really thought it would end "as there are hairs on your head" LOL

    Pete, please get some rest and forget about it at least tonite...I mean today.

    Peace, Laurie
  • plh4gail
    plh4gail Member Posts: 1,238 Member
    ellamenno said:

    Pete, thanks for posting...
    I would like to give the guy another chance, I mean, remember how John23 was received. And look at him now, diplomacy and all.

    Phil, Love your reference. I really thought it would end "as there are hairs on your head" LOL

    Pete, please get some rest and forget about it at least tonite...I mean today.

    Peace, Laurie

    Laurie
    I agree with your thoughts totally.
  • plh4gail said:

    Laurie
    I agree with your thoughts totally.

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  • ellamenno
    ellamenno Member Posts: 142 Member
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    Graci...
    You're so sweet. I like the way your heart thinks:)

    Peace, Laurie
  • Scambuster
    Scambuster Member Posts: 973
    ellamenno said:

    Graci...
    You're so sweet. I like the way your heart thinks:)

    Peace, Laurie

    Be Nice to Newbies..
    Thank you Pete for passing on Joe's message.

    I am on another forum and one of their rules is 'Be Nice to Newbies'. I noticed Joe had only done 13 posts so regardless some opinions, I viewed him as a newbie.

    Maybe this should become part of the T&C's of this site.

    We need more posts about success stories and less about recurrences and suffering.

    Joe you would be very welcome back to share your story, and let other know what you are doing that works for you.

    Scam
  • Be Nice to Newbies..
    Thank you Pete for passing on Joe's message.

    I am on another forum and one of their rules is 'Be Nice to Newbies'. I noticed Joe had only done 13 posts so regardless some opinions, I viewed him as a newbie.

    Maybe this should become part of the T&C's of this site.

    We need more posts about success stories and less about recurrences and suffering.

    Joe you would be very welcome back to share your story, and let other know what you are doing that works for you.

    Scam

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  • Annabelle41415
    Annabelle41415 Member Posts: 6,742 Member

    Be Nice to Newbies..
    Thank you Pete for passing on Joe's message.

    I am on another forum and one of their rules is 'Be Nice to Newbies'. I noticed Joe had only done 13 posts so regardless some opinions, I viewed him as a newbie.

    Maybe this should become part of the T&C's of this site.

    We need more posts about success stories and less about recurrences and suffering.

    Joe you would be very welcome back to share your story, and let other know what you are doing that works for you.

    Scam

    Sorry you have it wrong
    Scam you can't possibly think that this board is only about posting success stories and should shy away from recurrences and suffering. I'm sorry (I've not gotten in this discussion until now), but that is part of life and cancer. This is not a fun day at the park and make it a rosey disease. He would be welcomed back by all means, but this discussion board is about our daily life, our scans, doctor's appointments, and yes suffering. I'm on this board to want to share my experiences, especially with others, whether it be good or bad. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Thanks Joe for your apology.

    Kim
  • Scambuster
    Scambuster Member Posts: 973

    Sorry you have it wrong
    Scam you can't possibly think that this board is only about posting success stories and should shy away from recurrences and suffering. I'm sorry (I've not gotten in this discussion until now), but that is part of life and cancer. This is not a fun day at the park and make it a rosey disease. He would be welcomed back by all means, but this discussion board is about our daily life, our scans, doctor's appointments, and yes suffering. I'm on this board to want to share my experiences, especially with others, whether it be good or bad. I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. Thanks Joe for your apology.

    Kim

    Missed my point
    Sorry Kim, Maybe I should have been a little more explicit.

    Having people post their success stories here will perhaps motivate some to widen their attack on cancer, and I believe this can be done in a number of ways and diet is one of them, and an important one.

    I have focused my research and studies towards people who have survived and beaten this disease, and how they did it. I also study the many alternative therapies which are curing people, and there are plenty.

    I am not inclined to take advice of someone in their 2nd or 3rd recurrence who is still running with orthodox treatments and not paying attention to diet and lifestyle. That's just my approach.

    I did not intend to suggest that all other stories, experiences etc not be posted and shared. Not at all. My comment was intended to say that I believe if more people paid attention to the success stories (instead of blasting them) them maybe there would be fewer sad posts available i.e. less recurrence stories, less stories of pain and suffering

    I think that more good news can be created if people broadened their approach to treatments. I think that was the whole intention of Joes original post but is the only one who can verify that.

    Sorry for any confusion caused.

    Scam
  • Joecham
    Joecham Member Posts: 13
    Please accept my deepest apologies
    Once again I would like to apologize the way I conducted my first posts, i know I must of upset some of you as how direct and arrogant I sounded and now when I look back at it, that's exactly what it sounded like. My intentions were truly to try and spread the word of my success through other methods,I did not want to upset people. Pete was very kind and explainded to me that people are very sensitive about what they are doing and when someone like me comes on the site and basically starts giving claims it can upset some people. I understand that preaching is not the way no matter how passionate I am about something because it defiantly came out like a sales pitch. So for the people I have offended please accept my sincere apology.

    The claim I made about turning cancer on and off I was quoting Dr Colin Campbell from the china study and the new documentary forks over knives. It is the largest study conducted over 25 year work in the relation to nutrition cancer and disease.

    Some of you have PM me to post my story again in a different manner as they were interested in alternative methods. From this point I will tell you what I have done and what I have been taught, I will not make any claims or promises and people can always pm me for questions you feel would be inappropriate for the board.

    So firstly I would like to say hello my name is Joseph and in 2008 I was diagnosed with a satge 4 colon/ rectum cancer with a metastasis to my right lobe in my liver. The first oncologist I met with told me I had a 5% chance of cure and that I needed to start treatment right away if I was to have any chance. I was 32 years old. My father is a plastic surgeon and both my uncles are doctors and they all urged me to start treatment ASAP. I did what I was told, but first I went on a vacation to the keys with my wife and my 3 best friends because I knew I was going to have a tough road and I wanted to have a vacation before I got my butt whipped.

    When I got back from the keys I went to the Cleveland clinic in Weston Florida as one of my uncles knew of a good colon surgeon there. I was told they were going to give me the most aggressive treatment because of my age and they thought I could handle the treatment. I did oral chemo with about 3 months of radiation with once a week chemo through my port. I then went tthrough a large operation about 2 months later and they removed about 2 feet of my colon and part of my liver. They also gave me a illiostem bag, I developed an very bad infection which put me in the er twice and they had to drain it for about 2 weeks. For about 9 months after the surgery I did five Fu, oxiplatin, zeloda and avastin. I smoked a lot of marijuana during this time as it really helped me get through the chemo. I had a reaction to one of my last chemo sessions and my intestine twisted, they could not operate on me because of the avastin which causes hemorrhaging, I spent 3 days with a tube in my throat I was in pretty bad shape the docs did not know if I would make it. My intestine finally opened by itself and after a week or so they let me out, I was skin and bones but I recovered. I got reconnected from my illiostemy at the end of 09 and spent the next month on the toilet literally( got some good reading done,lol). I went back to the doc after another pet scan and It still lit up in the pelvic region, my oncologist did not like this and wanted me to keep doing chemo and more treatment, he now gave me a 20-30% of cure. I decided not to do anymore treatment and take my chances else where, I dodged 2 bullets already and I truly felt I would not dodge the third, so i told my ontologist to take my port out. My mother ironically enough was a yogi and into alternative health her whole life and she wanted me to detox from all the chemo and poison in my system. If it wasn't for my family and my wife I probably would have not made it through those treatments, they made me want to live.
    From this point on my life changed dramatically, I started to learn about health and nutrition, I watched the documentary healing cancer from the inside out, that really pissed me of but was an important transition for me, and then I went to a center where they teach you how to detox and strengthen your immune system so it can help fight illness in your body. Your immune system is so important in healing your body and that is what I do on a daily basis to make sure my canceridles not come back. I eat 100% raw foods I juice green vegetables with wheat grass anI cut out all sugar ,fruit and cooked grain and cut out all animal protien. This is just part of what I do to strengthen my immune system. I am following what other successful people have done for about 50 years, I have met many other people during my stay there that were in the same boat and are also doing great. this is not my protocol, I don't even know if I can explain every little detail, all I know is that my tests have been coming out negative. I took my last MRI ct scan in April and I'm still clean. I do confess I miss my steak and fries no question about it, but I feel with the knowledge I have learned and the experiences I have been through I made the right choice for me and my family. I try to help people in my area stay on this diet and I teach them how to sprout and make raw foods more interesting. It is more a mental challenge more than anything else. I have been on this lifestyle for almost 2 years now and I fall of the wagon once in a while and a eat a bag of kettle chips, I'm only human. For the most part it has been a great experience and I embrace and accepted the fact that I have got cancer because it has taught me a lot. It was a wake up call for me to change my life and possibly help others if I can. Or at the very least start p new conversations and have people explore new avenues.
    I hope I was not too direct or too invasive. Please if you have any questions for me please feel free to ask me or pm me.
    Sorry for the novel, I don't really like to discuss all the chemo bit because when I think about it I feel like vomiting, does that happen to anyone else?
    God bless
    Joseph
  • sharpy102
    sharpy102 Member Posts: 368 Member
    Joecham said:

    Please accept my deepest apologies
    Once again I would like to apologize the way I conducted my first posts, i know I must of upset some of you as how direct and arrogant I sounded and now when I look back at it, that's exactly what it sounded like. My intentions were truly to try and spread the word of my success through other methods,I did not want to upset people. Pete was very kind and explainded to me that people are very sensitive about what they are doing and when someone like me comes on the site and basically starts giving claims it can upset some people. I understand that preaching is not the way no matter how passionate I am about something because it defiantly came out like a sales pitch. So for the people I have offended please accept my sincere apology.

    The claim I made about turning cancer on and off I was quoting Dr Colin Campbell from the china study and the new documentary forks over knives. It is the largest study conducted over 25 year work in the relation to nutrition cancer and disease.

    Some of you have PM me to post my story again in a different manner as they were interested in alternative methods. From this point I will tell you what I have done and what I have been taught, I will not make any claims or promises and people can always pm me for questions you feel would be inappropriate for the board.

    So firstly I would like to say hello my name is Joseph and in 2008 I was diagnosed with a satge 4 colon/ rectum cancer with a metastasis to my right lobe in my liver. The first oncologist I met with told me I had a 5% chance of cure and that I needed to start treatment right away if I was to have any chance. I was 32 years old. My father is a plastic surgeon and both my uncles are doctors and they all urged me to start treatment ASAP. I did what I was told, but first I went on a vacation to the keys with my wife and my 3 best friends because I knew I was going to have a tough road and I wanted to have a vacation before I got my butt whipped.

    When I got back from the keys I went to the Cleveland clinic in Weston Florida as one of my uncles knew of a good colon surgeon there. I was told they were going to give me the most aggressive treatment because of my age and they thought I could handle the treatment. I did oral chemo with about 3 months of radiation with once a week chemo through my port. I then went tthrough a large operation about 2 months later and they removed about 2 feet of my colon and part of my liver. They also gave me a illiostem bag, I developed an very bad infection which put me in the er twice and they had to drain it for about 2 weeks. For about 9 months after the surgery I did five Fu, oxiplatin, zeloda and avastin. I smoked a lot of marijuana during this time as it really helped me get through the chemo. I had a reaction to one of my last chemo sessions and my intestine twisted, they could not operate on me because of the avastin which causes hemorrhaging, I spent 3 days with a tube in my throat I was in pretty bad shape the docs did not know if I would make it. My intestine finally opened by itself and after a week or so they let me out, I was skin and bones but I recovered. I got reconnected from my illiostemy at the end of 09 and spent the next month on the toilet literally( got some good reading done,lol). I went back to the doc after another pet scan and It still lit up in the pelvic region, my oncologist did not like this and wanted me to keep doing chemo and more treatment, he now gave me a 20-30% of cure. I decided not to do anymore treatment and take my chances else where, I dodged 2 bullets already and I truly felt I would not dodge the third, so i told my ontologist to take my port out. My mother ironically enough was a yogi and into alternative health her whole life and she wanted me to detox from all the chemo and poison in my system. If it wasn't for my family and my wife I probably would have not made it through those treatments, they made me want to live.
    From this point on my life changed dramatically, I started to learn about health and nutrition, I watched the documentary healing cancer from the inside out, that really pissed me of but was an important transition for me, and then I went to a center where they teach you how to detox and strengthen your immune system so it can help fight illness in your body. Your immune system is so important in healing your body and that is what I do on a daily basis to make sure my canceridles not come back. I eat 100% raw foods I juice green vegetables with wheat grass anI cut out all sugar ,fruit and cooked grain and cut out all animal protien. This is just part of what I do to strengthen my immune system. I am following what other successful people have done for about 50 years, I have met many other people during my stay there that were in the same boat and are also doing great. this is not my protocol, I don't even know if I can explain every little detail, all I know is that my tests have been coming out negative. I took my last MRI ct scan in April and I'm still clean. I do confess I miss my steak and fries no question about it, but I feel with the knowledge I have learned and the experiences I have been through I made the right choice for me and my family. I try to help people in my area stay on this diet and I teach them how to sprout and make raw foods more interesting. It is more a mental challenge more than anything else. I have been on this lifestyle for almost 2 years now and I fall of the wagon once in a while and a eat a bag of kettle chips, I'm only human. For the most part it has been a great experience and I embrace and accepted the fact that I have got cancer because it has taught me a lot. It was a wake up call for me to change my life and possibly help others if I can. Or at the very least start p new conversations and have people explore new avenues.
    I hope I was not too direct or too invasive. Please if you have any questions for me please feel free to ask me or pm me.
    Sorry for the novel, I don't really like to discuss all the chemo bit because when I think about it I feel like vomiting, does that happen to anyone else?
    God bless
    Joseph

    I'm not mad..never was
    @Joe: Apology is not needed in my case...I was not mad at you even then, and even now. I actually just got tired how people trying to "pull apart" ones sentence and attack it...I'm not saying you stated things the best way possible...you weren't, but hey, who is there not to make mistakes...we all do. Sometimes greater, other times smaller...but we all do. And I was just getting a bit "sick" of scrolling through the whole thread and seeing how everybody is "munching" so deeply on almost each sentence you made...clearly, saying that you can "Cure cancer" was a big one that you should've not done...it sounded BAD...because if you could cure cancer there would not be chemo anymore, and people would not die of it, eh? The doctors are not idiots (true, some can be pretty short minded and restrict their perspective only to drugs- which are also not good. Again...human nature...). Anyway, just thought I'd let you know, I, personally, am not mad at you, and I never was. I wish you the best, I will not post to this topic further, or even check it...it might going to "overflow" again of which I'm not interested. :)
    Please take care,
    - Sophie

    Ps: others! Don't get offended that I'm not interested in this thread, okay? I still love you all! You guys are still my family! :)
  • wolfen
    wolfen Member Posts: 1,324 Member
    sharpy102 said:

    I'm not mad..never was
    @Joe: Apology is not needed in my case...I was not mad at you even then, and even now. I actually just got tired how people trying to "pull apart" ones sentence and attack it...I'm not saying you stated things the best way possible...you weren't, but hey, who is there not to make mistakes...we all do. Sometimes greater, other times smaller...but we all do. And I was just getting a bit "sick" of scrolling through the whole thread and seeing how everybody is "munching" so deeply on almost each sentence you made...clearly, saying that you can "Cure cancer" was a big one that you should've not done...it sounded BAD...because if you could cure cancer there would not be chemo anymore, and people would not die of it, eh? The doctors are not idiots (true, some can be pretty short minded and restrict their perspective only to drugs- which are also not good. Again...human nature...). Anyway, just thought I'd let you know, I, personally, am not mad at you, and I never was. I wish you the best, I will not post to this topic further, or even check it...it might going to "overflow" again of which I'm not interested. :)
    Please take care,
    - Sophie

    Ps: others! Don't get offended that I'm not interested in this thread, okay? I still love you all! You guys are still my family! :)

    Joe
    Apology accepted and thank you for returning to the board and explaining your motives. Some of our members are very protective(not a bad thing), and although your original post was not threatening, it came across as a "sure cure" for all cancer which is a red flag here. This really is a great family, and like all families we have misunderstandings and are sometimes too quick to judge others. I'm sure many will welcome you back and be interested in your methods. I'm glad those methods are working for you. Others will wish to continue with more traditional methods which are working for them.

    My wish is for the best for all of you.

    Luv,

    Wolfen(JBG's Mom)
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    wolfen said:

    Joe
    Apology accepted and thank you for returning to the board and explaining your motives. Some of our members are very protective(not a bad thing), and although your original post was not threatening, it came across as a "sure cure" for all cancer which is a red flag here. This really is a great family, and like all families we have misunderstandings and are sometimes too quick to judge others. I'm sure many will welcome you back and be interested in your methods. I'm glad those methods are working for you. Others will wish to continue with more traditional methods which are working for them.

    My wish is for the best for all of you.

    Luv,

    Wolfen(JBG's Mom)

    i second that
    seeing joe's post here is good karma.

    i think i'll make the green transition a little more smoothly now.

    at least it will taste better.

    hugs,
    pete