History of Cancer

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  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    Blake
    Hi Blake,

    I truly do find this history of cancer information that you've posted interesting- really!Thank you for the info.
    But, I must say that I wish you would watch how you respond to others. Granted, you have said in some that you don't mean disrespect even if you disagree, but it becomes tiresome to see you jump on everyone with something to say that you don't agree with. I'm not only referring to myself, but to several others. You seem to go hot and cold- jump on what they say and post an article to disprove it (and I do think all articles and studies need to be looked at carefully as there seems to always be articles and studies supporting opposite opinions- depends upon how the study was conducted and for what purpose). Then you go and apologize to someone telling them you mean no disrespect. Just doesn't make sense to me. I respect that you are trying to research and learn about cancer- that's what you say, but then you still jump on people for stating what they've done that seems to help them.
    The inconsistency is confusing and frustrating to me.
    Sorry- I just felt the need to say that, as there have been many posts and replies by you lately that seem to be "hot and cold", for lack of a better term.
    Let's all just keep supporting each other & if someone doesn't agree, well putting up articles is fine, but let's not make the person feel as if what they are doing can't possibly be beneficial (even when the person just finished stating how it WAS beneficial for them).

    Thanks-
    Lisa
  • PGLGreg
    PGLGreg Member Posts: 731
    John23 said:

    Debate debacle

    Re:
    "It's a pattern I've noticed in your replies. Someone brings up a
    question or a point and you answer in a way that changes the subject. "


    Your comments are well taken. I really do have other things to do,
    than use my ideology and personal "feelings" in an attempt to convince
    cancer sufferers that there is something else that may work as well,
    or better than chemotherapy.

    But alas, you're right. There is nothing else.

    So long folks, sorry for wasting everyone's time with my idle banter.



    Best of health to all.

    John

    Well, that's okay, John. We're gradually getting some sense of the trend of your thought. It's interesting (though wrong). But I'm sure I speak for many of us when I say how happy I am that you are well enough to mount a spirited pursuit of your critique of modern oncology.

    --Greg
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    lisa42 said:

    Blake
    Hi Blake,

    I truly do find this history of cancer information that you've posted interesting- really!Thank you for the info.
    But, I must say that I wish you would watch how you respond to others. Granted, you have said in some that you don't mean disrespect even if you disagree, but it becomes tiresome to see you jump on everyone with something to say that you don't agree with. I'm not only referring to myself, but to several others. You seem to go hot and cold- jump on what they say and post an article to disprove it (and I do think all articles and studies need to be looked at carefully as there seems to always be articles and studies supporting opposite opinions- depends upon how the study was conducted and for what purpose). Then you go and apologize to someone telling them you mean no disrespect. Just doesn't make sense to me. I respect that you are trying to research and learn about cancer- that's what you say, but then you still jump on people for stating what they've done that seems to help them.
    The inconsistency is confusing and frustrating to me.
    Sorry- I just felt the need to say that, as there have been many posts and replies by you lately that seem to be "hot and cold", for lack of a better term.
    Let's all just keep supporting each other & if someone doesn't agree, well putting up articles is fine, but let's not make the person feel as if what they are doing can't possibly be beneficial (even when the person just finished stating how it WAS beneficial for them).

    Thanks-
    Lisa

    John is a big boy
    And jumped into this post, which was never intended for debate.

    That said, I would enjoy a real debate with him on this site. There are many who share his views but few who are as capable as he in defending them.

    Can you find an error is my response to him? An insult? Do you think he meant "Bucky" as a friendly pejorative?

    Was this the place to begin a screed about the great cancer conspiracy?

    "...but let's not make the person feel as if what they are doing can't possibly be beneficial (even when the person just finished stating how it WAS beneficial for them)."



    Lisa,

    When someone posts that the $2k they just spent on a water ionizer was the best investment they have ever made, do you not think that it encourages others to make the same choice? If someone knows that it is bunk, should they not point that out? It is, after all, a public forum where we are trying to help one another, an preventing someone else from throwing away $2k is helping.

    John and others encourage people to do the research, well, I am doing it. Apparently no one actually means that when they say it.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    John23 said:

    Debate debacle

    Re:
    "It's a pattern I've noticed in your replies. Someone brings up a
    question or a point and you answer in a way that changes the subject. "


    Your comments are well taken. I really do have other things to do,
    than use my ideology and personal "feelings" in an attempt to convince
    cancer sufferers that there is something else that may work as well,
    or better than chemotherapy.

    But alas, you're right. There is nothing else.

    So long folks, sorry for wasting everyone's time with my idle banter.



    Best of health to all.

    John

    Take your toys and go home
    Really?

    Just because I asked you to stop using the straw man argument?

    Kind of immature isn't it? Or is it an attempt to make the many friends you have on this board (and I count myself among them, I am concerned about you) to come to your defense and try to make me go away?

    "Your comments are well taken. I really do have other things to do,
    than use my ideology and personal "feelings" in an attempt to convince
    cancer sufferers that there is something else that may work as well,
    or better than chemotherapy."

    In case you have missed it, I'm no great fan of chemotherapy, and believe that it is overused.

    My challenge to you has been to convince me. And yes, when I posted that the Chinese claim a 13% survival rate, I was challenging you in particular.

    Let me help with that one. The Chinese have not done as much as us with early detection, thus catching cancers in later stages, thus having a much lower survival rate.

    But I wanted that to come from you, because I ask that you have an honest discussion. In the post above all I ask again is that you join me in an honest discussion.

    Why?

    Because I believe that there are things out there that can help people, maybe not cure their cancer, but help with the nausea, help with the fatigue, help with the myriad of other side effects we suffer in our treatments. I also believe there are more things that either do nothing or do harm. Wheat and Chaff. Sorting through that in this age of information overload is akin to cleaning out the Augean stables, truly a Herculean task.

    Sadly, I think there are only a couple of people on this board capable of having such a discussion, and I thought you might be one of them.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    PGLGreg said:

    typo "photon" for "proton"?
    I just wonder whether "photon" in the following sentence might be a typographical error: "Intensity-modulated radiation therapy, is like CRT but along with aiming photon beams from several directions, the intensity (strength) of the beams can be adjusted."

    --Greg

    Could be
    I copy and pasted directly from the cancer.org page
  • usakat
    usakat Member Posts: 610 Member
    Change happens....sometimes...
    ...and sometimes not. Thankfully our collective understanding of cancer is changing and improving everyday whether any of us recognize or believe it or not. Either way, survival rates are improving, early detection is improving, and people affected by cancer are living longer and more productive lives.

    Just like hearts some minds cannot be changed and that is when we must "let it be"....

    Oddly comforting though, having not posted for quite sometime, that things are still movin' and shakin' in the ol' neighborhood.

    La di da di di...La di da di da....
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    lisa42 said:

    John23
    John,

    "So long folks, sorry for wasting everyone's time with my idle banter"... I do think you're being facecious (sp?) here and that you're tired of the arguments back and forth. Don't let someone else drive you away- everyone has something to offer and no one else should make them feel as if they don't! Some who think they know everything (but then say they don't and are researching, but still make others feel everything they say is invalid) are not right in exerting their forceful thoughts so much.

    Ok, maybe I've exerted some forceful thoughts but in a different way, but I don't believe I've ever been disrespectful to others. Don't go...

    Lisa

    Hi Lisa -
    No, I'm not going anyplace, but I am giving up trying to provide
    insight to those that wish to remain blind.

    "Give us the grace to accept with serenity the things that cannot be changed,
    Courage to change the things which should be changed,
    And the wisdom to distinguish the one from the other."

    (E. Sifton - The Serentiy Prayer)

    Best of health!

    John
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    usakat said:

    Change happens....sometimes...
    ...and sometimes not. Thankfully our collective understanding of cancer is changing and improving everyday whether any of us recognize or believe it or not. Either way, survival rates are improving, early detection is improving, and people affected by cancer are living longer and more productive lives.

    Just like hearts some minds cannot be changed and that is when we must "let it be"....

    Oddly comforting though, having not posted for quite sometime, that things are still movin' and shakin' in the ol' neighborhood.

    La di da di di...La di da di da....

    Sonny and Cher
    Love it!

    Thanks,

    Blake
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    usakat said:

    Thanks for sharing this Blake
    You provided some good info. Cancer can be a bit of an enigma for many of us, an unseen foreign invader that twists our minds as much as our bodies. Understanding the who, what, where, why of cancer can help some people cope with what is happening inside their own body - and in many cases make better choices for treatment and in life in general.

    One of my favorite books of last year is, The Emperor of All Maladies, A Biography of Cancer, by Dr. Siddhartha Mukherjee. It is not only fascinating, but the book really opened my eyes and my mind about the subject of cancers. The book is a great read and written in a way that makes it readable and engaging for those of us without the title of MD or PhD.

    I highly recommend this book.

    Downloading it now
    to my iPad!

    Thanks for the recommendation!

    Blake
  • usakat
    usakat Member Posts: 610 Member
    Buckwirth said:

    Downloading it now
    to my iPad!

    Thanks for the recommendation!

    Blake

    :)
    I suspect you'll like the book...let me know what you think about it...
  • Annabelle41415
    Annabelle41415 Member Posts: 6,742 Member
    Interesting
    Thanks for sharing that with us. Very interesting. Just talking to another fellow colorectal person and he said that his surgeon and oncologist said that what he ate and drank had nothing to do with his cancer. He never eats sugar - never. Eats red meat about 3 times a year. His oncologist said that they aren't sure what caused it. I'm falling in the same category too. Just never made sense to me. Thanks for this.

    Kim