Sadness

don09
don09 Member Posts: 108

Hi everyone,  first off I want to thank all of you for the responses I have recieved to each post I have written, you all have given me much encouragement, I hope I am able to give back all that you have given to me with the same positive support. I'm posting today because I am feeling pretty depressed, I think mainly over the whole cancer thing in general, I feel as though I have spent the last 7 years of my life addressing this disease, between treating lung cancer scans, and being anxious over those results. Now this. I'm in that wait and see mode of post treatment a pet scan in set for March I must admit there is quite a bit of anxiety over this too, which I know is a common feeling amoung us all awaiting results but I'm to the point where I find myself just wanting to feel and be normal. As wonderful as these sites are there is also the flip side. I have lost a lot of my friends on this site or I'm discovering there back in the battle again from a recurance or a new one but I realize that this is the life of cancer and not anything we can do to change that which is so overwhelming at times. Not to mention the physical and emotional challenges.  I am grateful that I have done well and am still here, but is just very hard at times to feel positive and hopeful.  Sorry for raining on you all, just need some cheering up.  Hope you all remain well! 

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  • Mollymaude
    Mollymaude Member Posts: 431 Member
    edited February 2017 #2
    Sad

    I'm sorry you're having to go through this. I can't imagine everything you've been through. I take an antidepressant so if you think it might help I hope you ask for one. Even with that said and the antidepressant helping I think the cancer has made me feel fragile and not healthy for the first time in my life. I always assumed I'd live to a ripe old age like my grandparents and parents and now I always have to mentally add, "if the cancer doesn't come back". It is a terrible disease. I don't think life does get back to the way it was precancer and that's hard for me to accept. I do have a friend who is very inspiring to me. We both got diagnosed with cancer at the same time- hers was melanoma in her eye. She has a 50% chance of metastatic disease and if that occurs she has a dismal prognosis. She just got her CT and they found no mets but a totally new cancer on her kidney!! She said she was kind of down for a couple days and then decided it will be what it will be and got back to riding her horse and her retirement. She will probably get the kidney out and meanwhile still has the 50% mortality on her first cancer. We went to a garden show and had a great time even with this going on. I don't know how she stays so relaxed and isn't paralyzed with anxiety. I think she has decided if she has a 50/50 chance what the hell she's gonna enjoy things now and not let the cancer rob her of what time she does have. I'll never be that relaxed about things but it is something to aspire to. I don't mean to sound like I have answers, I don't, but your post made me sad you're sad. I hope things start looking better soon.

  • eihtak
    eihtak Member Posts: 1,473 Member
    edited February 2017 #3
    don09....

    Just wanted to say "I'm thinking about you"

    Living with cancer for me means lots of ups and downs, and one of the most difficult parts is when NOT with others here or that have been through this, people just can not truly know how I feel. Sometimes I just want those who I am close to like family to "get" it, (not to get cancer but to understand) but yet I hope they never do, because the only way to really "get" it is to get cancer.

    It is hard to stay positive some days, but somehow we need to be mindful of all the good we do have and grateful for little things. I am so very grateful for this forum and the people here who offer insight, support, and encouragement to otherwise total strangers because they do "get" it.

    Tomorrows a new day.....I wish you a day of peace in your place.

    katheryn

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    don09

    I'm glad you posted this.  However, I'm sorry you are dealing with all of these emotions.  I can certainly understand.  I've been on cancer support sites since 2008 and have seen many friends pass on, quit posting, or have a recurrence of their disease.  It is heartbreaking and erodes my confidence that I and everyone else have beaten this disease.  I think what you are feeling is quite normal--a combination of survivor's guilt, fear, anxiety and uncertainty about what lies ahead.  I would give anything to get through an entire day without worrying about this damn disease because I have lots of other things to be concerned with.  It can be overwhelming.  I hope it helps just to know that you are not the only one who feels this way.  If you can, find something you enjoy and treat yourself.  You certainly deserve it.

    Martha

  • Mtrichards
    Mtrichards Member Posts: 9
    edited February 2017 #5
    thanks for posting

    I wish you well and can relate to sadness. I feel like I cry everyday and I am done with treatment (almost 4 months post) but feel despair as I don't feel like myself at all. I am confident I will get there, but this is a long haul for all of us and no fun. I am really glad for this forum and don't feel as alone in the journey. Keep being positive and gentle with yourself. be kind to yourself and do whatever you need to feel better. go get yourself a massage and pamper yourself. you deserve it!

    Margaret

  • rlr000dc
    rlr000dc Member Posts: 51
    Thanks

    Thanks for being so open. I kept telling myself when i got done with all my tmts I would go back to my normal life and I wouldnt get any more check ups. It would be a thng of the past. Seeing this i am learning that its not really an option. Cancer changes your entire way of thinking. all the plans I had are all the time changed. I was always a sporatic person which usually worked out better than planning things but to think long term. "We can buy stocks and have extra money when we retire." then i think.. well he would have it to retire..hmm its so strange. i know we all must die but  knowing the future may be out of reach is very surreal. I often worried of my family alll dying and me being left alone. Then here I was almost the first one out.

    Thankful for all of you

    rlr

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    rlr000dc said:

    Thanks

    Thanks for being so open. I kept telling myself when i got done with all my tmts I would go back to my normal life and I wouldnt get any more check ups. It would be a thng of the past. Seeing this i am learning that its not really an option. Cancer changes your entire way of thinking. all the plans I had are all the time changed. I was always a sporatic person which usually worked out better than planning things but to think long term. "We can buy stocks and have extra money when we retire." then i think.. well he would have it to retire..hmm its so strange. i know we all must die but  knowing the future may be out of reach is very surreal. I often worried of my family alll dying and me being left alone. Then here I was almost the first one out.

    Thankful for all of you

    rlr

    rlr

    I have had similar feelings as yours.  I only have one sibling, who lives several hundred miles from me, and my 92-year old mother has dementia.  She now lives in an assisted living home near me, after moving her down here last year.  One of my biggest worries as a cancer survivor is that I will not outlive my mother and be here to continue to oversee her care until the end of her life.  It keeps me awake at night on a regular basis.  While I worry about all of this, I also find myself sometimes being angry about not being able to do some of the things that my husband and I had planned on doing in retirement, knowing that at any time, cancer could once again rear its ugly head.  I'm not getting any younger and I know that I'm not going to live forever, nor would I want to. 

  • rlr000dc
    rlr000dc Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2017 #8
    mp327 said:

    rlr

    I have had similar feelings as yours.  I only have one sibling, who lives several hundred miles from me, and my 92-year old mother has dementia.  She now lives in an assisted living home near me, after moving her down here last year.  One of my biggest worries as a cancer survivor is that I will not outlive my mother and be here to continue to oversee her care until the end of her life.  It keeps me awake at night on a regular basis.  While I worry about all of this, I also find myself sometimes being angry about not being able to do some of the things that my husband and I had planned on doing in retirement, knowing that at any time, cancer could once again rear its ugly head.  I'm not getting any younger and I know that I'm not going to live forever, nor would I want to. 

    MP327

    I read a lil more of your story on the other post. Seems that your still having to continue your research about your body. Its hard not knowing our self anymore much less aquiring new diagnosis coming up. Makes me sad for you. One thing I am making myself do is open up to friends its hard but it seems to be helping. I wanted to go to counseling, as uncomfortable as that would have been, but in my small town they werent accepting new patients. I try going to my reg. dr and that works for meds. But really you all here are the first I have found who understands.  One thing about your mother is whatever happens she wont remember! after going through what we have been through that may be a blessing! I wait for my husband to get angry about me not being able to do what he can but he hasnt ever said anything about it. He had high hopes for us to travel and lead an active lifestyle. Not sure that will happen for me. I am learning that "waiting for retirement" isnt the answer, please go or do what you can when you can!! I know what you mean about the rearing of cancer, i have read some things about it and i know its a possibility. Lets try not to think of it. Lets start a new journal- a gratitude journal, a journal of hope and new goals. For me learning to live in the moment (when out of pain of course) was and is the hardest thing to do.

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    edited February 2017 #9
    rlr000dc

    Despite the health issues I've had to deal with post-cancer, I do feel most of the time that I'm living a pretty full life.  I just get a little sad once in awhile thinking about some of the things I cannot do, such as take away my Mom's dementia.  But you are right, in one way it is a blessing, as she doesn't even remember that I've had cancer, nor does she know about any of my other issues.  I don't ever bring any of that up with her, knowing it would upset her, albeit only until she forgets it.  Despite her health and my health, my husband and I do manage to take a short road trip now and then.  Will I ever travel the world?  Probably not.  Please don't be sad for me though.  I've had some awesome experiences in my life.

    One thing that my body has done over the years is force me to educate myself.  I have learned so much because of my health issues, which include hydrocephalus, anal cancer, malabsorption syndrome, chronic kidney disease and osteoporosis.   I'm not sure I'd ever make it through medical school though!  Laughing 

  • eihtak
    eihtak Member Posts: 1,473 Member
    edited February 2017 #10
    rlr.....

    Hoping today is a good day for all!

    We all have different feelings as we recover, and recovery itself is a work in progress and kind of a life-long thing....

    For me, I like to think of it as a rollercoaster ride, ups and downs, twists and turns, but also some steadiness. If I concentrate only on the months of treatment, pain, and feeling sick, my story is pretty glum. (In 2011 I was dx with stage 3b anal cancer treated with chemo / rad and ostomy surgery. In 2012 I was dx with breast cancer treated with double mastectomy. In 2015 I was dx with anal cancer mets to my lung and had my left lower lobe removed then treated with aggressive chemo once again.) I have scars internal and external, my body is nowhere what it once was, and I don't know what my follow-up appointments may or may not reveal.

    That being said, the months not in active treatment, when I was able to regain strength of not only my body but my mind (and I know its not easy) have been some of the BEST days of my 58 years of life. I volunteer at a local community center that connects people in need with available resources. Many of our clients deal with hunger and are homeless and sick themselves. I went back to college and graduated this past December as well as gave the student address. I have traveled whenever possible. I live in Wisconsin, and just last spring after a family vacation in Florida drove "solo" all the way home taking several days to just stop and see sights along the way. I have attended weddings of family and friends and welcomed grandchildren into my life. I have been both patient and care-giver and know that neither is an easy spot, yet both have made me mindful of all I have to be grateful for......and for me, I have A LOT!!!

    I know this rollercoaster will send me on more frightening twists and turns, but I plan to ride well into the future and to enjoy the excitement of the ride up as well as to hang on during the drop. I do pray we can all find ways to have hope in our futures and enough goodness to carry us through the tough times and to consider our lives full.

    Be well today......

    katheryn

  • rlr000dc
    rlr000dc Member Posts: 51
    Martha and Katheryn

    After hearing your stories I am blown away, encouraged and discouraged! The decisions we have to make and the pain we have to endure can be overwhelming. I am proud that you both have conquered so much, you give me hope and many others who will see and learn from these posts. I started my gratitude journal it did help me to feel good. I want to fill it with so much more and hopefully with many meaningful events yet to come.

    Thinking of you both

    rlr

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    rlr000dc

    I think every cancer survivor learns gratitude.  A gratitude journal is a great idea. 

  • rlr000dc
    rlr000dc Member Posts: 51
    edited February 2017 #13
    Martha and Katheryn

    You both are an inspiration thanks so much for the support you have given to us on this site. With your experiences you bring alot to the table. At least we have the internet where we can help ourselves with research unlike others before us.

    Martha do you have a shunt for the hydrocephalus? and are you getting kidney dialysis? Im proud you are there for your mom, that has to be hard and Im happy you and your husband take trips when you can and feel well.Cool

    Katheryn so you have an ostomy still? and do you believe that the other cancers came to fruition (is that a word?lol) from the original cancer dx? Congrads for graduating! whats the degree in? I like that you keep busy with volunteering, I really need more to do. I live in the countryish and is 30 minute drive from anything. Funny thing happened recently. I was looking for caretaker for a relative who has dementia so at the store i found two ads for helpers: the first one was someone who i went to high school with. She now helps me (& my Aunt)and we have become great friends (enjoyin that ) the second one i got a job for elsewhere and she called me to update her progress, which i thought was sweet. So thats helped for a minute. It just seems like the days are really long and I feel stuck. If I wasnt working I dont know how I would act. (I work midnights). I rode the roller coaster some and i agree with you about the ride and hanging on with the drop! and the hope and goodness.

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    rlr000dc

    Thank you for your kind words.  I am happy to answer your questions.  I was diagnosed with hydrocephalus in 1993 at the age of 39, after experiencing severe headaches upon awakening, accompanied by nausea, confusion, and tingling and numbness in my extremities.  My doctor first thought it was migraines, but ordered a CT scan to rule out anything else, and that's when the hydrocephalus was discovered.  My case was quite extreme and stunned all the doctors as to how I had functioned normally all those years with no signs or symptoms until my late 30's.  I had surgery for a shunt a few months after diagnosis and have been fine ever since.  As for the kidney disease, I found out about that about a year and a half ago.  My PCP had done some routine blood work on me as part of a physical and my kidney function tests were not within normal range.  She repeated those tests for 3 months in a row, which is the norm for diagnosing kidney disease.  When things did not improve, she referred me to a neuphrologist.  My disease was initially diagnosed at Stage 3, but with diet changes and adequate hydration, I've been able to improve my kidney function.  I last saw the nephrologist in December and all of my labs came back within normal limits.  He feels that if I continue watching what I drink and what I eat, the disease is completely manageable.  I just had another round of lab work through my internist and my kidney function tests were all within normal limits.  Yay!  I will never know if there is any connection between the treatment for the anal cancer and the compromised kidney function.  It's possible that the IV contrast I got so many times for scans over the years has contributed.  Obviously, my goal is to do whatever I can to avoid worsening kidney function, requiring me to be on dialysis.

    As for my mother, we decided that it would be easier on us to oversee her care down here, rather than leave her in Illinois.  Having her here is a blessing, but it has definitely had an impact on our life.  However, I will never have any regrets about having her near us.  I can now go see her every day.  We spend our time working jigsaw puzzles and watching t.v.  She's pretty easy to manage, at least for now.  My husband and I will be taking a trip in early April, which will give us a bit of a respite.

    Thank you for your concerns.  As I said previously, I think overall I am doing pretty well.  Take care.

    Martha

  • rlr000dc
    rlr000dc Member Posts: 51
    yay!

    Im so happy the doctors were able to find your diagnosis and take care of these issues. That would be a confusing time waking up like that and having headaches.  I did home health care for a lady who had that as well. She said when she was a baby her mom always put bonnets on her and she noticed the bonnet kept getting smaller and smaller. The found out she had hydrocephalous and put a shunt in her head as well. She didnt have any mental issues but she did have some indentation on her skull. She had limited movement of her legs maybe due to that.

    For your kidneys is it water? Whats your favorite food? Thats impressive that the diet will work. My gpa had kidney failure but not dialysis. Hes been gone over two years now. I miss him.

    Sounds great that you have your mom close and she is doing well. Im happy you are taking a vacation. Im thinking of a cruise but need to wait and rebuild my time so probly be next year.A friend said she found a resort in Jamaica that was out of season (feb) and she got it way cheaper. I think i would like something all inclusive. That may be more relaxing. My son wll be graduating high school out of state this year. Mom and I will be going to see him and his gf, who will have her baby by then. My only child and first gdaughter.

     

     

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    rlr000dc

    Thanks for your response.  That's interesting that someone you did home health care for had hydrocephalus that was present from birth.  My mom always noticed that my head was big, but it wasn't noticeable to others, I guess.  Only at the time that my hydro began decompensating did I have any problems with cognition.  Prior to that, no issues and I excelled in school as a kid.  There is another type of hydroceaphlus that is not present at birth, rather it develops over time and often comes on in elderly people.  It is called NPH (normal pressure hydrocephalus).  NPH is called "normal pressure" because despite the excess fluid, cerebrospinal fluid pressure as measured during a spinal tap is often normal.  Mine, however, was thought to be present from birth.  There are probably a lot of elderly people who have NPH that goes undiagnosed.  It is just assumed that they have dementia due to the aging process.

    As for my kidneys, plenty of water is key.  I also drink a couple of cups of coffee in the morning, but coffee is a diuretic, so whatever amount I drink only counts for half as much.  I am supposed to get a total of at least 72 ounces of water a day, which is somedays difficult.  I really don't enjoy drinking water, unless it's after a workout when I'm actually thirsty.  I do eat a fair amount of fruits and veggies, which are mostly water, so they count too.  My main goal is to remain as healthy as possible in respect to my kidney function and avoid dialysis.  I'm sorry that your grandfather had kidney disease.  It really is a silent killer for a lot of people.

    I hope you get the vacation of your dreams and congratulations on all the happy family events coming up for you.  Enjoy being a grandmother!

    Martha

  • eihtak
    eihtak Member Posts: 1,473 Member
    rlr000dc said:

    Martha and Katheryn

    You both are an inspiration thanks so much for the support you have given to us on this site. With your experiences you bring alot to the table. At least we have the internet where we can help ourselves with research unlike others before us.

    Martha do you have a shunt for the hydrocephalus? and are you getting kidney dialysis? Im proud you are there for your mom, that has to be hard and Im happy you and your husband take trips when you can and feel well.Cool

    Katheryn so you have an ostomy still? and do you believe that the other cancers came to fruition (is that a word?lol) from the original cancer dx? Congrads for graduating! whats the degree in? I like that you keep busy with volunteering, I really need more to do. I live in the countryish and is 30 minute drive from anything. Funny thing happened recently. I was looking for caretaker for a relative who has dementia so at the store i found two ads for helpers: the first one was someone who i went to high school with. She now helps me (& my Aunt)and we have become great friends (enjoyin that ) the second one i got a job for elsewhere and she called me to update her progress, which i thought was sweet. So thats helped for a minute. It just seems like the days are really long and I feel stuck. If I wasnt working I dont know how I would act. (I work midnights). I rode the roller coaster some and i agree with you about the ride and hanging on with the drop! and the hope and goodness.

    rlr.....

    Hi, hope this day finds you doing well.....

    I do still have my ostomy as it is now permanent. Due to my anal cancer tumor location, I had surgery prior to beginning chemo and radiation. There are several types of ostomies and mine is called a "loop ostomy" which is easier to reverse. The initial intention was to do that 6months or so after treatment but the radiation damage was too severe and while technically the reversal could still be done, after consulting with a specialist in Milwaukee, the chance for successful healing was slight and the potential for bowel incontinence was likely. While there was certainly an adjustment period, now, (6 years later) it seldom presents any issues for me and interfers very little with my daily activities. I think the idea that people create in their mind regarding ostomies is usually far worse than what living with one actually is. That being said, some people do have issues that are hard to manage and I have been quite fortunate so far. I go to a support group in person for "ostomates" which has been a tremendous help in adjusting as this is definately another area that unless you have personal experience with, is hard to relate to.

    My breast cancer was called Secretory Carcinoma and is considered rare. It is a very slow growing cancer and usually not even detected on standard mamograms until later stage. It is the same cancer that is more commonly found in men or children with breast cancer. While in my case it was detected on my one year follow-up PET scan for anal cancer, it was estimated to have been growing for approximately 10 years! Treatment was a mastectomy, and I chose to have a double....just seemed like the best option for several reasons but mostly the mere feeling of physical symmetry (I was already dealing with ostomy stuff that way) In a strange way, having anal cancer and the PET scan, saved my life because there is a good chance that otherwise the breast cancer would not have been found until late stage and more difficult to treat! The only relation between the two may be that this long time slow growing tumor had been putting stress on my immune system making it too weak to fight the anal cancer (most likely HPV related)....but thats just my theory, otherwise, just lucky I guess!

    With all this going on, I didn't go back to work but began to feel at odds with what to do with my time. I had been in college over 35 years ago but never graduated and it was my son that suggested taking just a class or two and see how it goes. I began with "Introduction to Human Services" almost as part of my own personal emotional recovery from cancer. I loved it! I liked the school setting, and being accountable for turning in work. It also gave me something to focus on rather than doctor appointments and medication schedules. I continued with some classes in person, and some on line, and graduated with an Academic Human Services degree and a certificate in Psychology. I had done a variety of volunteer work in my community when my kids were young (I have 5) but what I now do stemmed from a requirement for one of my college courses and I just stayed with it.

    I also live in the country but when young grew up in the city. My husband loves being out here, but my heart is really where the business of people are and would go stir crazy if I didn't stay involved some way.

    I do have 8 grandchildren ranging from just over 8 months to 8 years old. They all live within a couple hours of me so our family sees each other often and I am so grateful to have this time with them. The youngest has cerebral palsy and both she and her mother (my daughter) are such a great inspiration to me. They are so strong in facing the world from a different point than so many of us! My husband lives under this umbrella of cancer as well and recently went through surgery for a tumor on his spine.....recovery has been slow going but he is doing well. He just finished radiation last week and will begin chemo soon. Sooooo, my days are full, but I strongly believe in the importance of self-care and try to be mindful of taking moments for myself. This past weekend I did a little get-away to visit one of my daughters and stayed at a waterpark resort in Northern Wisconsin. It was great, even rode the waterslide with my granson! I am hoping to take a longer road trip south this spring but have not made definate plans as of yet.

    Again, hoping this day is good for you.....

    katheryn

  • lovemeinmydarkness@gmail.com
    edited February 2017 #18
    YOU ARE IN THE LIGHT...

    I NEED YOU TO HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW TO LIVE LIFE WITH PURPOSE WHEN I'M COMMUNICATING WITH FRIENDS. HELLO... MY NAME IS LOVE. I HAVE JUST JOINED THE COMMUNITY SO I CAN GET BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF POSITION IN THIS LIFE. I READ WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN, AND, I'M DELIGHTED TO KNOW THE TRUTH AND UNDERSTANDING FROM ONE WHO IS GOING THROUGH. I TRUST YOUR HONESTY, YOUR PERSERVERANCE TO KEEP GOING! I BELIEVE AND KNOW YOU ARE STRONG AND MORE VALUABLE THAN YOU KNOW. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT LOOSING SOME FRIENDS/CONVERSATIONS ON-LINE. THE DARK DISEASE DOES'NT DO THAT; THE LACK OF UNDERSTANDING, JUST LETTING YOU JUST BE YOU, OTHERS ACCEPTING WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY , SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WANT TO SAY IT, ETC... I AM INTRIGUED WITH THE TRUTH! I AM INTRIGUED AND HAVE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM YOUR COMMENTS. PLEASE CONTINUE TO EDUCATE ME HOWEVER YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT, OR, SAY IT. GOD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU IN HIS CARE! HE CERTAINLY LOVES YOU AND SO DO I. WHY? BECAUSE YOU HAVE PURPOSE TO OFFER.    ..HSPVA..

  • sephie
    sephie Member Posts: 650 Member
    edited February 2017 #19
    have you had anal cancer

    even tho your words sound eloquent ... have you had the above cancer??? just wondering......

  • mp327
    mp327 Member Posts: 4,440 Member
    sephie

    I just flagged that post.  Another spammer!