Cisplatin and Radiation begin Tuesday question??

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Hi,  I am getting weekly cisplatin.  The first dose is scheduled at 5 pm and my time is blocked out until 1 am.  I know everybody is different but how long did your chemo take?  My dose is smaller given weekly but wow.  Feedback appreciated.  Karen

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  • bebo12249
    bebo12249 Member Posts: 181 Member
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    I just finished this

    I just finished this treatment. When you arrive for each session they’ll do blood work to check your kidney function. Then they will start an IV of two different anti-nausea drugs, one at a time. (This is how my medical onc did it.) Then they’ll give you IV hydration followed by the Cisplatin followed by more hydration. The cisplatin can be hard on your kidneys so they check kidney functions each session and give hydration to prevent kidney damage each session. The entire process can take 4 hours. It may be cold in the room so take a coat or blanket and something to do while sitting. You can go to the bathroom during the session. It's really not bad. Is this what you wanted to know? bill

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
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    Typically...your first

    session is the longest....not only do the do everything mentioned above, but they are watching you for any type of reaction, and therefore the drip is set to a slower speed.  I don't know what a weekly infusion time frame is, as I got my Cisplatin in the large dose, every 3 weeks....it was ALWAYS 8 hours...the first one was 10 hours.  I'm sure next week, you'll be seeing much less time, tho.

    p

  • Ladylacy
    Ladylacy Member Posts: 773 Member
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    Cisplatin

    My husband had cisplatin the first go around.  It did take up to 4-5 what with all they had to do first.  Cisplatin is hard on the kidneys.  Be sure you drink plenty of water and stay hydrated.  My husband's was to be every 3 weeks but after one dose they cut the dose in half because of all the trouble he was having with the cisplatin.  He didn't have much nausea because they had him taking Emend (expensive nausea medication) before and after treatment along with the medication they gave him IV for nausea before the cisplatin.

    Wishing you the best  

  • kdot2003
    kdot2003 Member Posts: 143
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    Thanks.  I knew it would take

    Thanks.  I knew it would take awhile but when my schedule said 5 pm-1 am I was like WOW.

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
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    kdot2003 said:

    Thanks.  I knew it would take

    Thanks.  I knew it would take awhile but when my schedule said 5 pm-1 am I was like WOW.

    The first one

    will be the longest....they'll shorten them up after that.

    p

  • Kenny-
    Kenny- Member Posts: 99 Member
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    A few of us are going through it together

    jakesaround and myself are going through, probably the same routine. strength in numbers! (in this case it's not to have numbers but it can be morally encouraging).

    Everyone is quite different, and a few things to consider are:

    - location of your tumor, dosage, and chemo chemical

    - types of foods you consume/eat

    - other pre-existing issues

    - etc

    For me, I'm on a 40mg/m2 cisplatin and at radiation 16/35 (half way!) and my biggest issues are bloating (indigestion), grade 2 mouth sore (with some thrush), some insomia, and occasional ringing in ears. I did lose my sense of taste but it hasn't been the major issue. Bloating and mouth sores were bigger issues as that can significantly impact your intake. I also don't really have an issue (yet), with nausea. You may experience other side effects.

    So, my advise may be biased due to my issues, can just say while you're on this journey try to care about what you choose to eat - the rule of thumb is avoid any acidic, spicy, or overly fatty foods. Even simple stuff like ketchup, spaghetti bolognese, 'harmless' strawberries, or even adding lemon in your water, or even banana (has latex which sticks to the GI lining). I made some of those benign mistakes in my first week and could have contributed to where I am.

  • Skiffin16
    Skiffin16 Member Posts: 8,305 Member
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    Depends..

    If you have a port, the first will be the longest while they establish a doable flow or pump rate for you..

    My first day actually consisted of two chemos (Cisplatin and Taxotere), along with many other bags of fluids.. Then ending the day with a strap on pump for 5FU, that I wore 24/7 for the next four days..

    The first day was nearly 12 hours.., but eventually it narrowed down to 5 or so.

    Then the weeks that followed.., Carboplatin every week it was only about 2 hours maybe..

    BTW.., some inside scoop... bring something to eat.., and sit close to the restrooms... They give you fluids to flush you out, and they work really well... Foot in Mouth

    John

  • jakesaround
    jakesaround Member Posts: 34
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    My guess would be about 4.5 hours for your first one

    Hey Karen,

    Me you and Kenny are on the bus together with this one. They are moving fast with you since you just had your surgery a week or so ago right. When are your rads suppose to start?

    my experience with the weekly lower dose cisplatin is as follows. I recieved the 40mg/m^2 dosing amount which for my height and weight ended up be 74mg per week. It's a volume measurement so everybody's will be a little differen. They started out with labs as they will every week. Then you wait for the labs to process so that you can meet with your doc and look over the numbers and ask any remaining questions of the day. Then you head back to the chemo room, pick a chair, and hopefully a very experienced nurse will come start your IV. All that takes 30 min or so. They start me out with 1 liter of IV fluid takes about 2 hours to inject. Then I get my pre meds which is a couple anti nausea meds and a steroid this takes about 1 hour then comes the cisplatin IV which is the last thing I get and takes about another hour.

    All that roughly adds up to about 4.5 hours for my first one but I think the last couple times I have been in it has taken less than 4 hours. 

    A couple things to mention, it does get cold so check with your clinic but mine provides warm blankets and pillows. Also bring some snacks and entertainment to keep you occupied in case you don't have anyone to chat with.

    Most importantly getting chemo is not suppose to hurt or burn at all. So if at any time during the administration of your cisplatin drug it starts itching or burning get a nurse right away to check your IV and if need be they will take it out and start a new one. If cisplatin gets in your tissue outside of your veins it can and probably will cause necrosis (meaning tissues death) in the surrounding tissue which can get severe if enough cisplatin leaks out.

    also you can double check with your doc or nurses but don't wait to start your anti nausea meds until you start feeling sick from the chemo. What I do is wait 24 hours after my chemo treatment and start in with zofran twice a day 8 hours apart and every 4 hours in between that I take compazine twice daily 8 hours apart.

    i will be pulling and praying for you.

    jake...

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
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    Karen you'll be in my prayers

    as you start with your Cisplatin. I had a love-hate relationship with it...hated the side effects it gave to my husband, but loved that it did it's job and got rid of his cancer cells and tumor. Just keep picturing it blasting away all those yucky cells. I know the infusion made my husband kind of sleepy, so take a nap, read a book, rest up.

    Barbara

  • kdot2003
    kdot2003 Member Posts: 143
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    Kenny- said:

    A few of us are going through it together

    jakesaround and myself are going through, probably the same routine. strength in numbers! (in this case it's not to have numbers but it can be morally encouraging).

    Everyone is quite different, and a few things to consider are:

    - location of your tumor, dosage, and chemo chemical

    - types of foods you consume/eat

    - other pre-existing issues

    - etc

    For me, I'm on a 40mg/m2 cisplatin and at radiation 16/35 (half way!) and my biggest issues are bloating (indigestion), grade 2 mouth sore (with some thrush), some insomia, and occasional ringing in ears. I did lose my sense of taste but it hasn't been the major issue. Bloating and mouth sores were bigger issues as that can significantly impact your intake. I also don't really have an issue (yet), with nausea. You may experience other side effects.

    So, my advise may be biased due to my issues, can just say while you're on this journey try to care about what you choose to eat - the rule of thumb is avoid any acidic, spicy, or overly fatty foods. Even simple stuff like ketchup, spaghetti bolognese, 'harmless' strawberries, or even adding lemon in your water, or even banana (has latex which sticks to the GI lining). I made some of those benign mistakes in my first week and could have contributed to where I am.

    Thank You Kenny, yes I am

    Thank You Kenny, yes I am behind you guys.   The banana caused you problems?  Did it make gas?  When I look ahead I am the most scared of mouth sores and mucositis...that stuff.  And the sore throat.  I just had the panendoscopy and tonsillectomy and my throat has been hurting like hell.  I am scared it will continue until like February.  Good to hear from everyone thanks!!!  Karen

  • kdot2003
    kdot2003 Member Posts: 143
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    My guess would be about 4.5 hours for your first one

    Hey Karen,

    Me you and Kenny are on the bus together with this one. They are moving fast with you since you just had your surgery a week or so ago right. When are your rads suppose to start?

    my experience with the weekly lower dose cisplatin is as follows. I recieved the 40mg/m^2 dosing amount which for my height and weight ended up be 74mg per week. It's a volume measurement so everybody's will be a little differen. They started out with labs as they will every week. Then you wait for the labs to process so that you can meet with your doc and look over the numbers and ask any remaining questions of the day. Then you head back to the chemo room, pick a chair, and hopefully a very experienced nurse will come start your IV. All that takes 30 min or so. They start me out with 1 liter of IV fluid takes about 2 hours to inject. Then I get my pre meds which is a couple anti nausea meds and a steroid this takes about 1 hour then comes the cisplatin IV which is the last thing I get and takes about another hour.

    All that roughly adds up to about 4.5 hours for my first one but I think the last couple times I have been in it has taken less than 4 hours. 

    A couple things to mention, it does get cold so check with your clinic but mine provides warm blankets and pillows. Also bring some snacks and entertainment to keep you occupied in case you don't have anyone to chat with.

    Most importantly getting chemo is not suppose to hurt or burn at all. So if at any time during the administration of your cisplatin drug it starts itching or burning get a nurse right away to check your IV and if need be they will take it out and start a new one. If cisplatin gets in your tissue outside of your veins it can and probably will cause necrosis (meaning tissues death) in the surrounding tissue which can get severe if enough cisplatin leaks out.

    also you can double check with your doc or nurses but don't wait to start your anti nausea meds until you start feeling sick from the chemo. What I do is wait 24 hours after my chemo treatment and start in with zofran twice a day 8 hours apart and every 4 hours in between that I take compazine twice daily 8 hours apart.

    i will be pulling and praying for you.

    jake...

    Thank You Jake.  Yes I did

    Thank You Jake.  Yes I did have surgery 9 days ago today and its not healed of course.  Radiation and Chemo start Tuesday.  See the worry.  My ENT gave me some steroids to help with the swelling and pain.  Also I am off today to get a port and a tube.  Evidently my med oncologist loves G-tubes, he says all his patients have them.  I am not resistant because I do not want to be dehydrated.  I'm  a nurse and my BFF came and gave me an IV at home on day 3.  Maybe I am a wimp.   The main deal with Tuesday is I am scheduled from 850 in the AM to 1 AM Wednesday between MD appt, chemo and rad.  But I will talk to the scheduler and fix that for next week hopefully.  Karen

  • kdot2003
    kdot2003 Member Posts: 143
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    Has anyones hair fell out?

    Has anyones hair fell out?  Actually I am OK with it.  I dont want a wig just a pretty soft hat/cap thing.  But it looks like people have hair...   

    I was blessed to learn my primary is my Pyriform Sinus and all other sites negative...that they biopsied anyways.  That makes a III although MD said treatment was the same for III as IVa.  I am going to find out my exact dose of chemo and rad.  Havent even asked yet.  Well they said 39 treatments...not sure the dose.

     

    Karen

  • jeffw69
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    I had i chemo once a week for

    I had i chemo once a week for 6 .weeks while getting my rad.My chemo lasted for 5 hours.they did my rad while i was getting chemo only hair i lost was where the rad was shot into my mouth-neck.lost my gotee but since has grown back after treatment stoped last of june

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
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    kdot2003 said:

    Has anyones hair fell out?

    Has anyones hair fell out?  Actually I am OK with it.  I dont want a wig just a pretty soft hat/cap thing.  But it looks like people have hair...   

    I was blessed to learn my primary is my Pyriform Sinus and all other sites negative...that they biopsied anyways.  That makes a III although MD said treatment was the same for III as IVa.  I am going to find out my exact dose of chemo and rad.  Havent even asked yet.  Well they said 39 treatments...not sure the dose.

     

    Karen

    My husband lost hair but

    I really think it was from the radiation and not the Cisplatin. More importantly watch out for mouth sores. I did read somewhere that if you can tolerate sucking on ice chips during the infusion it may lessen the severity of mouth sores...but cold really bothered my husband and he had mucositis from the radiation already. Might be worth a try?

    Did your doc order a baseline hearing test? Cisplatin can cause hearing loss. My husband was starting to lose his hearing in high frequencies before his diagnosis, but I think the Cisplatin hurried it along. he now has a 50% loss in both ears and is being fitted for hearing aids...no longer has any excuse for not hearing what I say now! Thankfully he didn't get any of the tinnitus (ringing) in the ears side effect.

    Good luck...I'll be thinking extra good thoughts for you on Tuesday.

    Barbara

  • Cindy511
    Cindy511 Member Posts: 1
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    I'm 8 days ahead of you

    This is my first post. I've been reading the posts on this forum since late July when I was diagnosed with Stage IVa, scc, HPV+ tonsil cancer on the left side of my necK  and I just wanted to share my experience. I've had surgery to remove the tumor and surrounding tissue and 40 lymph nodes (5 of which were malignant, showing spread). I have just completed my 8th radiation treatment and 2nd round of cisplatin.  right now I'm getting 50 ml of chemo but before that I get quite a bit of fluids, steroids, and nausea meds.  The cisplatin takes about 30 minutes but after that I get more fluids to flush my kidneys. After blood tests and stuff I usually get the IVs started at 9:00. Today I finished up around 11:30. My first treatment took about 30 minutes longer. 

    You definitely need to take something to do and you will get cold (I took my own blankey today). Last week the day after chemo was the worst for nausea. This week I've got new meds and will try to stay ahead of it. Other than increased mucous and a horrible taste in my mouth that ruins everything, I haven't started having horrible effects.  I've got a PEG and am trying to use it. I'm being a bit stubborn and have just quit eating. I think it's my way of just being really pissed that I'm having to go through this. But I'm already losing a lot of weight and know I have to stay nourished so I'll try be better. 

    I hope your treatment goes well. 

    Thanks to all of you network members for providing the best information I've found anywhere along with a care and support that can only come from someone who's "been there, done that".

     

    my best to you all-

    cindy

  • fishmanpa
    fishmanpa Member Posts: 1,227 Member
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    Depends

    I recall my first session was about 5 hours. After that, shorter. Sometimes I would wheel my meds into radiation for my treatment. 

    Positive thoughts and prayers

    "T"

     

  • Barbaraek
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    Cindy511 said:

    I'm 8 days ahead of you

    This is my first post. I've been reading the posts on this forum since late July when I was diagnosed with Stage IVa, scc, HPV+ tonsil cancer on the left side of my necK  and I just wanted to share my experience. I've had surgery to remove the tumor and surrounding tissue and 40 lymph nodes (5 of which were malignant, showing spread). I have just completed my 8th radiation treatment and 2nd round of cisplatin.  right now I'm getting 50 ml of chemo but before that I get quite a bit of fluids, steroids, and nausea meds.  The cisplatin takes about 30 minutes but after that I get more fluids to flush my kidneys. After blood tests and stuff I usually get the IVs started at 9:00. Today I finished up around 11:30. My first treatment took about 30 minutes longer. 

    You definitely need to take something to do and you will get cold (I took my own blankey today). Last week the day after chemo was the worst for nausea. This week I've got new meds and will try to stay ahead of it. Other than increased mucous and a horrible taste in my mouth that ruins everything, I haven't started having horrible effects.  I've got a PEG and am trying to use it. I'm being a bit stubborn and have just quit eating. I think it's my way of just being really pissed that I'm having to go through this. But I'm already losing a lot of weight and know I have to stay nourished so I'll try be better. 

    I hope your treatment goes well. 

    Thanks to all of you network members for providing the best information I've found anywhere along with a care and support that can only come from someone who's "been there, done that".

     

    my best to you all-

    cindy

    Cindy, I'm glad you posted

    so we can say welcome and good luck with your treatment. There is strength (of spirit at least) in numbers. Everyone here will be pulling for you now.

    DO use the PEG tube if needed. You don't want to be playing catch up weeks later with your weight and you need your strength to kick that evil cancer out of your body.

    HPV+ has a better prognosis and response in general so that is a good thing. Hang your hat on all the silver linings you can.

    I hope the side effects remain manageable.

    Barbara

  • CivilMatt
    CivilMatt Member Posts: 4,722 Member
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    Cindy511 said:

    I'm 8 days ahead of you

    This is my first post. I've been reading the posts on this forum since late July when I was diagnosed with Stage IVa, scc, HPV+ tonsil cancer on the left side of my necK  and I just wanted to share my experience. I've had surgery to remove the tumor and surrounding tissue and 40 lymph nodes (5 of which were malignant, showing spread). I have just completed my 8th radiation treatment and 2nd round of cisplatin.  right now I'm getting 50 ml of chemo but before that I get quite a bit of fluids, steroids, and nausea meds.  The cisplatin takes about 30 minutes but after that I get more fluids to flush my kidneys. After blood tests and stuff I usually get the IVs started at 9:00. Today I finished up around 11:30. My first treatment took about 30 minutes longer. 

    You definitely need to take something to do and you will get cold (I took my own blankey today). Last week the day after chemo was the worst for nausea. This week I've got new meds and will try to stay ahead of it. Other than increased mucous and a horrible taste in my mouth that ruins everything, I haven't started having horrible effects.  I've got a PEG and am trying to use it. I'm being a bit stubborn and have just quit eating. I think it's my way of just being really pissed that I'm having to go through this. But I'm already losing a lot of weight and know I have to stay nourished so I'll try be better. 

    I hope your treatment goes well. 

    Thanks to all of you network members for providing the best information I've found anywhere along with a care and support that can only come from someone who's "been there, done that".

     

    my best to you all-

    cindy

    welcome

     

    Cindy,

    Welcome to the H&N forum, so  sorry you are here.

    No matter how upset you become, getting plenty of nourishment and staying hydrated need to be at the top of your list.

    We want you to be successful, very kill the cancer, be able to eat and drink successful.

    Team Cindy,

    Matt

  • kdot2003
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    Barbaraek said:

    My husband lost hair but

    I really think it was from the radiation and not the Cisplatin. More importantly watch out for mouth sores. I did read somewhere that if you can tolerate sucking on ice chips during the infusion it may lessen the severity of mouth sores...but cold really bothered my husband and he had mucositis from the radiation already. Might be worth a try?

    Did your doc order a baseline hearing test? Cisplatin can cause hearing loss. My husband was starting to lose his hearing in high frequencies before his diagnosis, but I think the Cisplatin hurried it along. he now has a 50% loss in both ears and is being fitted for hearing aids...no longer has any excuse for not hearing what I say now! Thankfully he didn't get any of the tinnitus (ringing) in the ears side effect.

    Good luck...I'll be thinking extra good thoughts for you on Tuesday.

    Barbara

    Thank you Barbara!!

    Thank you Barbara!!

  • kdot2003
    kdot2003 Member Posts: 143
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    Cindy511 said:

    I'm 8 days ahead of you

    This is my first post. I've been reading the posts on this forum since late July when I was diagnosed with Stage IVa, scc, HPV+ tonsil cancer on the left side of my necK  and I just wanted to share my experience. I've had surgery to remove the tumor and surrounding tissue and 40 lymph nodes (5 of which were malignant, showing spread). I have just completed my 8th radiation treatment and 2nd round of cisplatin.  right now I'm getting 50 ml of chemo but before that I get quite a bit of fluids, steroids, and nausea meds.  The cisplatin takes about 30 minutes but after that I get more fluids to flush my kidneys. After blood tests and stuff I usually get the IVs started at 9:00. Today I finished up around 11:30. My first treatment took about 30 minutes longer. 

    You definitely need to take something to do and you will get cold (I took my own blankey today). Last week the day after chemo was the worst for nausea. This week I've got new meds and will try to stay ahead of it. Other than increased mucous and a horrible taste in my mouth that ruins everything, I haven't started having horrible effects.  I've got a PEG and am trying to use it. I'm being a bit stubborn and have just quit eating. I think it's my way of just being really pissed that I'm having to go through this. But I'm already losing a lot of weight and know I have to stay nourished so I'll try be better. 

    I hope your treatment goes well. 

    Thanks to all of you network members for providing the best information I've found anywhere along with a care and support that can only come from someone who's "been there, done that".

     

    my best to you all-

    cindy

    Hi Cindy  Thank you for the

    Hi Cindy  Thank you for the advice!! I hope it continues to be bearable for you and me.  OMG my new PEG hurts like hell though.  Karen