Hearing loss...

JC F
JC F Member Posts: 74

I posted another topic about neuropathy and now would like to know about your experiences with hearing loss. I did two cisplatins and the third was carboplatin because the hearing loss was fairly dramatic after the two cisplatins. Seven months out my hearing seems to be getting worse. Not dramatically but very gradually. I watch movies on TV and the volume is not the issue but I miss a lot of the dialogue at any volume. It seems to be the pitch and tone of the words being spoken. When talking to people live in person they have to speak to me face to face or I miss some of the words. I'm hoping it doesn't keep deteriorating to the point I need hearing aids. Going for tests on Thursday. The rads really messed up the taste and saliva and now the chemo side-effects seem to be kicking in with the neuropathy and hearing...not happy...

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  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    Hi JC

     

    Sorry but you might need to check into hearing aids, my hearing kept getting worse and worse till I was almost deaf. I am 80 present deft in my right ear and 85 present in my left ear. Hearing aids today and very very different then years ago, you can get some that fit in the ear and are very hard to see, or like me I just don’t care what people think so I use the behind the ear hearing aids. The only problem with them is they are very expense.

     

    Tim       

  • ErthWlkr
    ErthWlkr Member Posts: 60
    Hearing loss

    Hearing loss is an unfortunate side effect both from chemo and radiation. Cisplatin is notorious for causing hearing loss and tinnitus. Aside from the nerve damage, some of the loss is also a result of damage to the eustachian tubes so they can't drain properly. It sounds as if you're underwater.

    You're still early in the recovery process but it's a wise choice to get periodic hearing tests to judge the direction it's going. In my case, my hearing was borderline before I started treatment and after had gotten far worse. I lost my ability to hear high pitched tones especially women's and children's voices. This made my professional life difficult since many of my clients are women graphic designers and even when I sat directly in front of them, I couldn't understand what they were saying. Needless to say my wife was getting frustrated having to continually repeat herself.

    After visiting several hearing centers, I settled on a pair from Costco. Since I am a salesman, I didn't want them to be visible. The devices are small, hidden behind the ear and a clear tube channels the sound. The brand is Resound if you're interested. Not cheap - but significantly less expensive than those offered by chains like HearX.

    The hearing aids changed my life. I heard things that I didn't realize I was missing and I found myself straining less to understand the conversations around me. Now everyone grabs the remote to turn up the sound on the tv.

    But my wife still complains I don't listen to what she says. :)

    Treatment does change some part of your life. But the upside is that there are solutions available. Learning to be flexible and adapting to changing circumstances becomes part of the process.

    Hope this helps.

    - Jeff

  • lornal
    lornal Member Posts: 428
    Dialog on TV programs

    I had cisplatin in 2007 - and started wearing hearing aids in 2008.  Just last month I got my 2nd pair - the first stopped working.  They really make a difference.  It is amazing how draining it is - physically, mentally, and emotionally - to work so hard to hear.  I hearing hasn't changed much - I have a tube in one ear - last year - because of fluid build-up.

    Anyway - I use these headphones at my house to listen to TV - when it is loud in the house,  when I need to turn the volume down (sleeping granddaughter) or if the dialog is really soft.

    They are amazing - you'll hear things you haven't heard before - when you could hear.

     

    http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-RS120-Wireless-Headphones-Charging/dp/B0001FTVEK/ref=sr_1_11?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1427295886&sr=1-11&keywords=sennheiser

     

    Lorna

     

     

  • Super-b
    Super-b Member Posts: 26
    JCF... sounds like you had

    JCF... sounds like you had the same treatment as I did about the same time. When everythig started they told me I may have some trouble with my hearing but made it sound minor and temperary....not what I would call full disclosure.

    After treatment I had lost avout 30% of the high end of my hearing and had become very sensitive to louder noises. To the point I always have a pr of custom ear plugs to wear whenever I am oround anything overly loud.

    Id I am listening to someone and can not see them speak I miss about 1/3 of what they day....wife sais with here it is more like 80%. LOL If they have an accent it is even more difficult as the brain has a harder time filling in the blanks.

    I got fitted with hearing aids about 6 weeks ago and they help somewhat with the tone drop out (about a 53% to 30% inprovment according to tests) but does not help with the tinitus at all. This is the new normal for me which kinda sucks as I was a total audoiphile before.

    All that said it sure beats what the alternitive would have been if i did not take the treatments

     

    Good Luck

    Bill

  • JC F
    JC F Member Posts: 74
    Super-b said:

    JCF... sounds like you had

    JCF... sounds like you had the same treatment as I did about the same time. When everythig started they told me I may have some trouble with my hearing but made it sound minor and temperary....not what I would call full disclosure.

    After treatment I had lost avout 30% of the high end of my hearing and had become very sensitive to louder noises. To the point I always have a pr of custom ear plugs to wear whenever I am oround anything overly loud.

    Id I am listening to someone and can not see them speak I miss about 1/3 of what they day....wife sais with here it is more like 80%. LOL If they have an accent it is even more difficult as the brain has a harder time filling in the blanks.

    I got fitted with hearing aids about 6 weeks ago and they help somewhat with the tone drop out (about a 53% to 30% inprovment according to tests) but does not help with the tinitus at all. This is the new normal for me which kinda sucks as I was a total audoiphile before.

    All that said it sure beats what the alternitive would have been if i did not take the treatments

     

    Good Luck

    Bill

    Hearing...

    Thanks for the replies...I'm wondering, does the hearing loss plateau at a certain point and then just stay at that damaged level or does it keep gradually getting worse to the point that hearing aids are inevitable? I've been taking some pills for a couple of months, called "Ear Tone" by 'New Nordic', for the tinnitus. They seem to have helped somewhat, the tinnitus is still there, just not as noticeable. Could be I'm just getting more adjusted to the tinnitus. Really don't want to have to go the hearing aid route, but I guess I won't have a choice if it keeps deteriorating. Sucks...

  • Loves2read
    Loves2read Member Posts: 33
    JC F said:

    Hearing...

    Thanks for the replies...I'm wondering, does the hearing loss plateau at a certain point and then just stay at that damaged level or does it keep gradually getting worse to the point that hearing aids are inevitable? I've been taking some pills for a couple of months, called "Ear Tone" by 'New Nordic', for the tinnitus. They seem to have helped somewhat, the tinnitus is still there, just not as noticeable. Could be I'm just getting more adjusted to the tinnitus. Really don't want to have to go the hearing aid route, but I guess I won't have a choice if it keeps deteriorating. Sucks...

    Hearing tests

    We went last week for my husband's first ENT check up since finishing treatment in Feb. He had 3 Cisplatins and the radiation. 

    Results were major fluid in both ears (sounds like his head was underwater, he only heard muffled sounds) AND significant nerve damage resulting in permanent high-pitch loss. Solution was to get tubes put in and drain fluid immediately-- that is a big help, he noticed right away he can hear much more. But the doctor did say as we were leaving, "I'll check you again in 3 months, and it's not a matter of IF you'll need hearing aids, but WHEN." 

    So to answer your first question: if there is nerve damage from the Cisplatin, it could be irreversible. A hearing test at the ENT will give you that info. Best to you...

    -Elizabeth

  • cbcbasket
    cbcbasket Member Posts: 5
    me too

    Cisplatin definitely damaged my hearing. I have been wearing hearing aids for about three weeks and it is a huge improvement.

  • LiseA
    LiseA Member Posts: 266
    edited May 2016 #9
    I chose not to have this

    I chose not to have this chemo with radiation.  They could not give me a good enough argument to why I needed Cisplatin, but said it would be an adventure!  i opted for radiation only, which has it's own risks and misery, but I was not doing them together.  And by the way, MDA oncologist told me NOT to read about side effects! She said People claim to have side effects that she does not see. 

  • Noellesmom
    Noellesmom Member Posts: 1,859 Member
    People

    Probably DO have the side effects they report.  How arrogant of that doctor.

    Cisplatin is a tough drug was absolutely necessary for my husband's cancer.

    Cisplatin did cause hearing loss for Jim.

     

  • the_wife
    the_wife Member Posts: 184
    edited May 2016 #11
    What?

    My husband also suffered hearing loss from cisplatin. He had about 6 doses. During the treatment his hearing was extremely sensitive to sound. It was painful for him to be in a room full of people. Talking at any level bothered him and even the sound of paper shuffling drove him crazy. The doctors continued on with the chemo even though we reported this. They did a hearing test before treatment in anticipation of hearing loss so that insurance would cover it. During treatment he had to wear ear plugs everywhere and he still carries them with him when he's out in public. I understand this isn't fun for him as a survivor, but I'm getting very irritated with having to raise my voice so that he can hear me. I'm a soft speaker and it's hard for me to change after so many years of speaking a certain way. I can't wait until he gets hearing aides! The TV is always too loud and I am very sensitive to noise. The doctors have taken a wait and see approach, but it hasn't gotten better. One doc mentioned something about tubes to drain fluid, but that hasn't happened yet. I'm hoping next time he will be getting an RX. Not sure how that works.

    BUT yes, it beats the alternative...whatever you have to do to survive!

    Best of luck to all of you!

  • AndrewP16nose
    AndrewP16nose Member Posts: 23 Member
    I lost about 30 dB hearing with chemo/radioTx

    I lost about 30 dB hearing due to my 2 doses of cisplatin. I was too sick to tolerate a 3rd dose. I also ended up with fluid behind both eardrums for 6 month due to the radiotherapy but this finally cleared itself. My ears ring all the time and I tend to wear headphones when I'm watching TV or the iPad but it was a small price to pay to be NED- so far anyway.

    Andrew

  • TracyLynn72
    TracyLynn72 Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2016 #13
    My surgeon is doing a hearing

    My surgeon is doing a hearing test on me this month.  The L jaw area that I had radiated...I can tell a difference in my hearing on that side.  I also have noticed a ringing/buzzing sound in that ear more and more often.   He said that the rads hitting that general area along with a titanium plate going up to my ear could cause some hearing issues.  I'll guess we'll see the end of June. 

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
    Hearing aids are great!

    My husband definitely had hearing loss with Cisplatin - especially in the high frequency range. It was such a blessing when he got his hearing aids. They are so much better technologically now - they even connect wirelessly to his smartphone. There is also a small unobtrusive microphone he can place on a table during conferences and such. While the hearing loss is regrettable, it's a side effective can live with. The dry mouth is much more debilitating for him.

    Barbara

  • stevenpepe
    stevenpepe Member Posts: 234
    edited June 2016 #15
    I never realized how many

    I never realized how many side effects come with treating this terrible disease. I guess it's better than the alternative.

  • donfoo
    donfoo Member Posts: 1,771 Member
    edited June 2016 #16

    I never realized how many

    I never realized how many side effects come with treating this terrible disease. I guess it's better than the alternative.

    might come

    I never realized how many side effects come with treating this terrible disease. I guess it's better than the alternative.

    Nobody escapes totally unscathed but the good news is we all experience a few of them. No need to worry or get distracted by about all the possible side effects, just deal with the ones you get dealt as they appear. 

  • RottiesMom
    RottiesMom Member Posts: 167
    Get ready

    I will have 3 cycles of cisplatin 3 weeks apart starting on June 21 - concurrent with 7 weeks of radiation 5 days a week hopefully starting the 20, but maybe not until the 27.  I am going for a hearing test on Tuesday.   I was told about the hearing loss...

  • phrannie51
    phrannie51 Member Posts: 4,716
    edited June 2016 #18
    I had ringing in my ears...

    from the cancer....and it's never changed since....so I imagine the Cisplatin kept the tune going.  I had my hearing tested after treatment, and even with the ringing, I had no hearing loss.

    p

  • Barbaraek
    Barbaraek Member Posts: 626
    edited June 2016 #19
    More about hearing aids

    Also - if you get hearing aids...work with a good audiologist. The first ones you try may not be the ones that are best for you. There are subtle differences and it takes a bit of trial and error to come up with the best manufacturer and model for you. a reputable dealer/audiologist will allow you to try different pairs over time to get the best fit. Your local speech and hearing center is a good place to start.

    Barbara

  • Roar
    Roar Member Posts: 269 Member
    edited June 2016 #20
    Hopefully 4years in December

    Hopefully 4years in December will be NED. Hearing is awful from 3 doses of citsplatin. All the taste never came back either . Other than that healthy as an ox .

    just happen to be on the site as my son in law starts chemo for lymphoma today and was just checking out what that as all about. 

  • Sonja.K
    Sonja.K Member Posts: 79 Member
    edited June 2016 #21
    Barbaraek said:

    Hearing aids are great!

    My husband definitely had hearing loss with Cisplatin - especially in the high frequency range. It was such a blessing when he got his hearing aids. They are so much better technologically now - they even connect wirelessly to his smartphone. There is also a small unobtrusive microphone he can place on a table during conferences and such. While the hearing loss is regrettable, it's a side effective can live with. The dry mouth is much more debilitating for him.

    Barbara

    XyliMelts are Amazing

    Mrs. BD and I were at a Head & Neck Cancer reception at our Cancer Center and we received a sample of XyliMelts for dry mouth.  For me they worked amazing.  You moisten one side of the mint and stick it to your gum and it dissolves over twelve hours.  It was great not to wake up with a dry mouth (and a lot less bathroom trips)!  I have not found them at local Walgreens or CVS, they do have them on Amazon.