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Eskimo lily
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Hi everyone,

 

just happened to find this Ted talk and thought I'd share it here in case anyone is interested in watching it:

 

http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html

 

interesting, it's a talk by the president of the angiogenesis foundation, about how we can also help starve our cancers in what we eat.

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Good, isn't it Lily?!  Many of us here have watched it more than once and will go back to it again.  For anyone who hasn't seen it, I'd endorse Eskimo Lily's recommendation.

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Interesting... but have you done any research on William Li..?  I did..  According to his Bio, he is a Math and Statistics guy.. no medical degree of any kind.  I am not saying his talk is bogus, and we have heard some of this good food talk before, and most of us believe that diet can be helpful...  Just that I see no real science or any back up here... tell me if I am wrong...  We all want the easy "secret" to long life, but this makes us easy prey to the different sales pitches out there, they all sound so good.. we need to do our homework.. 

Also be aware for those of us being treated with any kind of drugs, that some foods may need to be avoided, ask your Dr about this...

Be Well All..

Ron

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Skepticism is healthy.  But dismissing Dr. Li simply because he does not have the proper "creditials" is silly.  He is a bonafide researcher.  His whole approach has been to research whether or not certain foods or other substances have any anti-angiogenic properties.  So if you have reason to "dis" his research go right ahead - but do read the research first.

Having said that I think it is vitallly important to understand there are two aspects in following a "healthy" diet when one is attempting to fight against cancer.

First, and MOST important, is to eliminate all those substances that might either "tax" our bodies innate mechanisms that work to make us healthy or may, in some way, work to promote cancer or tumorigenesis.  If you don't do that first, no amount of ingestion of any "miracle" food or supplement, etc. is going to reverse the situation.

Second, simply identifying foods that promote anti-angiogenesis does not mean that these items can ever approach the effectiveness of any of the targeted therapies currently available to us.  As such, they are only adjuncts.  It remains to be seen just how effective any of them may prove to be in "helping" the cause.

 

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Dr. William W. Li, Will, Ph.D, M.D. co-founded Angiogenesis Foundation in Cambridge, Massachusetts and has been its President since April 1990 and Medical Director since December 1994. Dr. Li has extensive expertise in tumor angiogenesis, in vivo angiogenesis models, angiogenesis therapeutic development and clinical trial analysis. He trained with Dr. Judah Folkman, who pioneered the field of angiogenesis research. He serves as a Director of Juventas Therapeutics, Inc. ... He serves as a Director of The Angiogenesis Foundation. He has been a Member of Scientific Advisory Board of Cytomedix Inc. since December 6, 2010. He serves as a Member of Scientific Advisory Board at Athenagen Inc. and CoMentis, Inc. Dr. Li served as a Member of Scientific Advisory Board at DOBI Medical International Inc. and also served as Director from December 2003 to June 26, 2006. He served as Director of DOBI Medical Systems Inc. since October 2003. He is a pioneer of the angiogenesis field and has been published in Science, The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet and other leading peer-reviewed medical journals. He serves as an Advisor to global leaders in the wound care, regenerative medicine and cardiovascular, industries, and is a founding director of the American College of Wound Healing and Tissue Repair. He works in Association with the National Institutes of Health, the Veteran's Administration and other major governmental and academic institutions on angiogenesis-related programs. He serves on the faculties of Harvard Medical School, Tufts University School of Veterinary Medicine and Visiting Assistant Professor of Medicine at Dartmouth Medical School. He is an Honorary Fellow of the American College of Wound Care Specialists, and a founder of the American College of Wound Healing and Tissue Repair. Dr. Li received his A.B. with honors in Biochemistry from Harvard College, and his M.D. from the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. He completed his internship, residency and fellowship training in General Internal Medicine at the Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

 

 

 

After Reading Dr Li’s Bio, he does not sound like a snake oil salesman to meLaughing. Except for foods that are not compatible with your medication.  Dr William Li’s list of Angiogenesis foods are nothing more than the fruits and vegetables that your grandmother would have told to eat off your dinner plate. I hope Dr Li’s theories on Angiogenesis foods prove to be correct. Otherwise, there is no harm in healthy eating.  - BDS

 

 

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Hi All.. I am not being skeptical, I am saying this is not new and nothing ground breaking here..  But I do not like when someone talks about all this and that research, yet gives not link or data on such research, just one person "saying"  the olde trust me line.  Especially when a graph is shown that diet with durgs will outperform the drugs alone.  I want to see the study and the data, which is lacking in that video.  Plus all too often people have a doctorate and use the "Dr."  and in cases like this, most people would think he has had some medical training..  Everything he has said may be 100% true, but as I originally stated, do your own research and make up  your own mind.

Ron

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As I said, I see no problem at all in being skeptical.

However, not to flog a dead horse here, but...

I see the letters "M.D." following his name.  That would indicate that he has had some medical training, would it not?

I agree that any graphs that show that a diet with drugs will outperform just those drugs alone should certainly be subject to intense skeptical inquiry. But this video was just a TEDTalk - hardly the place I would expect anyone to be posting their peer-reviewed research articles.

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