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Ketogenic Diet - Clinical Trial Thoughts????????

Ron Silver
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I am 12 weeks post treatment.  Been reviewing the "net" on the "anti-cancer" diet I see here and there, and I came across this---a real bonafide clinical trial. The theory is that if you starve your body of carbs, then no glucose, and cancer cells cannot thrive.  Ketogenic diet-proteins and fats.  

 

See these links:

 

http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01716468?term=NCT01716468&rank=1

 

http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/low-carb-food-list.html

 

Any thoughts???  (Guess ice cream is out with this diet!!!)

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fishmanpa
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Hi Ron,

A quick glance and overall, it appears to be healthy albeit similar in some respects to the Atkins diet. In general, a healthy diet, rich in protein and veggies, especially organic, is good for us. Avoiding processed foods and excess sugars in general is good regardless of cancer. Whether or not it actually fights cancer is another thing but it's good to see the medical community addressing diet and cancer.

"T"

Ron Silver
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I find it interesting.  Apparently they have been using this high-fat, adequate-proteinlow-carbohydrate diet since the 1920s with success in reducing convulsions in epiliptics.  Some tout it as the cure for cancer.  Starving the cancer cells of glucose (from carbs).  Now a clinical study (completion date is in 2014).  It the study shows that it starves the tumors as it has in mice, I expect it will be considered a breakthrough in cancer treatment.   

 

Also been looking into accupuncure to alleviate my chemotherapy-induced peripheral neuropathy in my hands and feet.  Anyone try accupuncure??

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donfoo
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Starving the cancer cells of glucose (from carbs). 

I love it. Time to resurrecdt my liquid sugar thread. sugar = carbs = bad! LOL

 

Ron Silver
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Donfoo, it is more than that.  You have to eliminate carbs (and sugar) from your diet to the point where your body uses up all of its stored glucose.  With no more glucose, the body then burns its stored fat.  You then, through the diet, make fat the bodies primary food source (not glucose).  Ketosis.  It is a big deal, like changing over the fuel system from gas to diesel.  Can't do both.  And there are side effects from the diet (from what I have read).  

 

http://io9.com/what-you-should-know-about-the-low-carb-ketogenic-diet-489267213

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luv4lacrosse
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Not to boast, but look at my pic. This was taken in March of this year. I have Mets to the Lungs and Mediastynal nodes, and am on Palative treatment, IE "**** out of luck." If I starved my body of carbs, there would be no heavy lifting in the gym. A high protein diet with good carbs and exercise is the best thing we can do. If you log into enough ****, you will eventually find any number of things that people say will cause cancer. 

Everything in moderation is the key to success.

Mike

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longtermsurvivor
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something about your diet and mine doesn't grow hair very well.

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luv4lacrosse
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Unfortunately I was genetically doomed in the hair dept. years before cancer. The Taxotere I'm on has completely taken care of the rest. After my second treatment, I woke up and my goatee was laying in my pillow.

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Laralyn
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I've been stress eating a lot lately while trying to deal with my mom's diagnosis, but I'm planning to go back to paleo--which lends itself to a ketogenic diet. Here's another bit of interesting science that backs up the concept that keeping insulin and glucose in control also helps prevent cancer. In this case, the drug metaformin, used for Type 2 diabetes, seems to help prevent cancer.

Metaformin and Cancer

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Ruben and Jude
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Once Ruben was diagnosed with "C", my daughter sent me a link to the ketogenic diet and I found a book (Canton) which was a good guide. Not only did we start the diet, but we both lost an amazing amount of weight in a matter of 1-2 weeks, as well as now Ruben's cholesterol level is down from 260 to 200 (over a 4 month period), without any pharmacuticals!

I have also discovered "C" grows in an acidic environment, so you should also focus on foods that produce alkaline. Here's the link: http://rense.com/1.mpicons/acidalka.htm Also, you can buy alkaline water, albeit expensive!

Here's a link to cancer fighting foods: http://www.cancure.org/cancer_fighting_foods.htm

It's too bad this is not well known information or pushed as much as the pharmacuticals are.

Ron Silver
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What if you limit your carbs and sugar but not to the extent the diet calls for, i.e., you don't go into ketosis, are you doing any good. Is it something that unless you limit the carbs to the point you go into ketosis, you are getting no benefit?  

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Ruben and Jude
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All you can do is your best. So far, 'they' have found cancer grows and thrives on sugar (as well as ALL cells), but healthy cells can live on the fat you have stored, and cancer cells can't. If you don't go into ketosis, what's the point of doing the diet, except you'll be eating healthier.

You can buy keto sticks to test your urine which will tell you if you're in ketosis.

 

 

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TracyLynn72
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I checked out those links and found it to be very interesting.  Tomatoes are listed on the "good" list of foods and that is the one thing I crave ALL the time right now.  I eat a salad with lettuce, tomato and cucumber every single day!  :)  Good reading, thank you! 

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Ruben and Jude
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Laughing

Ron Silver
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Not to boast, but look at my pic. This was taken in March of this year. I have Mets to the Lungs and Mediastynal nodes, and am on Palative treatment, IE "**** out of luck." If I starved my body of carbs, there would be no heavy lifting in the gym. A high protein diet with good carbs and exercise is the best thing we can do. If you log into enough ****, you will eventually find any number of things that people say will cause cancer. 

Everything in moderation is the key to success.

Mike

 

That was one of my concerns.  I need to gain back about 25 lbs. 

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Ruben and Jude
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I don't think the ketogenic diet is for the rest of your life, and all things in moderation. But it and other modalities worked for Ruben, as his PET scan 7 weeks after completion of treatment had absolutely no evidence of cancer, which is a little unusual, as it was expected that he would light up somewhere due to the radiation.

The ketogenic diet may not be for everyone, fortunately Ruben and I are both able to tolerate it. Making informed decisions is something we all need to do. 

Take care. God Bless. 

Jude

 

Ron Silver
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Really appreciate you sharing your experience.  I am still looking into it.  Thanks.

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