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manwithnoname
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I saw someone resurrected a hemp oil thread in order to spam it (disgraceful), anyway i read the thread and was astounded by some of the assumptions, first of all it aint 'hemp' oil it is the stuff with THC so it makes you high!, second this Rick Simpson guy isn't selling it, he was giving it away and showing how to DIY.

Strangley this comes on the day we went to our Onc. to ask for medical, not for nausea or pain. There is something more to the story, endocannibinoids. Our bodies have natural receptors for it, CB1 and CB2 and they interact with the immune system and basicaly regulate our bodies.

Gruzman in Spain has been doing studies with the cannabanoids for a long time, even more research here in Israel where THC was first synthasised. Gruzman has been working with GW pharmacuticals from the UK and a few years ago they got a patent for treating GBM with cannabanoids, it's not the only patent on cancer and cannabinoids.

Before I am attacked I am not saying this is a 'cure' but anyone who is interested should do more research.

Ingesting oil is not the same as smoking it. CBD, the second molecule in MJ, allows for much higher doses of THC and both work in synergy. With synergy it MAY be possible to reach theraputic doses of THC but CBD by itself also has anti-cancer properties. CBD is not psycoactive or illegal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endocannabinoid_system

There is a ton of misinformation, disinformation and lies both for and against this plant. Some people in the US can get access to this oil.

From Pubmed;

" Several different types of cancer have abnormal regulation of the endocannabinoid system that contributes to cancer progression and correlates to clinical outcomes. Modulation of the endocannabinoid system by pharmacological agents in various cancer types reveals that it can mediate antiproliferative and apoptotic effects by both cannabinoid receptor-dependent and -independent pathways."

" Modulation of the endocannabinoid system interferes with cancer cell proliferation either by inhibiting mitogenic autocrine/paracrine loops or by directly inducing apoptosis"

"Here we review the relationship between the endocannabinoid system and anti-tumour actions (inhibition of cell proliferation and migration, induction of apoptosis, reduction of tumour growth) of the cannabinoids in different types of cancer. This review will focus on examining how activation of the endocannabinoid system impacts breast, prostate and bone cancers in both in vitro and in vivo systems"

 

These observations raise the possibility that a dysregulation of the endocannabinoid system may promote cancer, by fostering physiological conditions that allow cancer cells to proliferate, migrate and grow. 

 

Of note some studies have also shown increased growth with THC. 

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annalexandria
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carries the oil, although I haven't tried it.  I do smoke it, however, as it allows me to take less opiates for pain management.  Probably be better if I caved in and spent some money on a vaporizer, but as I don't use much (and there is a reasonable amount of evidence that it is all the additives in cigarettes that are the real problem), I don't worry too much about it.

If it had the side effect of working on cancer, all I can say is awesome, dude...

manwithnoname
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"Interestingly, cannabis trials in population base studies failed to show any evidence for increased risk of respiratory symptoms/chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (Tan et al., 2009; Hancox et al., 2010) or lung cancer (Tashkin,"2005) associated with smoking cannabis"

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annalexandria
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I think the nasty additives, as well as the number of cigarettes smoked in an average day (if a pot smoker consumed several packs of joints, he'd be asleep for a week), has a lot to do with the lung disorders associated with smoking.

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Hemp oil is high on my todo list. There is enough anecdotal evidence out there to have gained my attention.

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Sundanceh
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First, I definitely won't attack you....because I think this topic holds a great deal of merit - and will play a larger role in the future of care as more people become open-minded and shaked off the stigmas and stereotypes that pervade the propoganda that has been force fed the public for decades. 

Back in the 70's, there was a 'product'...they called it Hash Oil....derived from the bricks of Lebanon Gold & Red:)

I agree with you that I don't think that cannabis(oids) by themselves, with a tumor load, will be 'cured' by any means....

But, I tell you what....I think the future of cannabis is going to be applying it as an adjuvant treatment - after surgery and/or treatment when the tumor load is removed or reduced.....this is where I see the benefits paying off. 

There was a show on Discovery called "Weed Country."  The premise of the show is the folks that 'grow' the product for medical patients - and the law enforcement population who are trying to derail the operation....

I only saw one episode, but this one guy grew this batch up for a patient - drove 1200 miles straight through what they refer to as The Golden Triangle (full of cops) and delivered the shipment to the patient.

Here's where it got interesting.....

The guy's problem dealt with a lack of blood flow circulation to his lower extremeties....he said he went from walking.....two weeks later, he was on a cane....two weeks after that, he was in a wheelchair....two weeks after that, he said he had to fall out of bed and literally pull and drag himself to the toilet.  I can't remember what the condition he called it was.

One of the things about medical cannabis, is that it stimulates alot of blood flow (which he lacked).....so his way was a little unconvential....he reached into this great big old bag and pulled out a huge bud, just like you were pulling a potato chip out of the bag.......and he ate it whole....just gobbled it down....no water....no shaking.....no tenderizing....just down it went. 

He said not too long after that, he was up and physically moving around again.....apparently, it created enough blood volume to clear up or alleviate part of his problem and allowed him to walk.  That was some kind of testimonial. 

Now, like you, I've read about the reports that states that cannaboids can kill cancer cells when it binds to them.  I believe that it said that it caused aptosis. 

I don't recall the article debating the merits between Ingestion vs Inhaling.....but I believe there are benefits either way....and not just from the nause relief and appetite stimulations, which are positive benefits in the first place.

I strongly believe that in a remissive state, that using medical cannabis as an adjuvant treatment of prevention does hold some merit, but we'll never have enough documented cases to prove the point either way.  And that's a shame, because we know there is much 'research' being applied out in the real-world.  If there were more of a safe-haven, where folks felt safe and secure with providing their experiences and using their cases as test cases....there's no telling what that research would yield. 

Instead of an apple a day to keep the doctor away - we could say a puff or two a day....just might keep cancer away....along with other complementary therapies......Milk is another one that Colocan released, that I'm excited about as well.....I think there is some degree of truth there as well.

The other benefit that is often misunderstood is this.....when a cancer patient is knee-deep sick in chemo treatment, a few tokes of MM can temporarily restore a person to be able to engage in a light activity (like sitting on the couch)...where otherwise, they might be bedridden, because they were too ill.

When you are well, it seems that THC acts differently than it does when you're body is ravaged by treatments.....healthy, it is felt more in the mind.....but sick with cancer...it must act on different receptors, because it doesn't get the mind high, so much as it medicates the body and makes it feel temporarily better by providing a sense of body relief from the pain. 

Perhaps, it's two-fold and doing both, but is more readily felt on the physical side vs the mental side....and that's where the therapeutic benefit begins and ends. 

It's the future....

Take it easy and I read your update about yoru son and I'm so sorry....but know you're a smart guy and you'll keep looking.

I wish you well....don't have children, but I can't imagine how hard this must be for you.  If it can be done, I'm sure you'll find it.  I know you will try.

Thanks for a though provoking discussion!

 

 

coloCan
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worse for your lungs and body than the weed itself....

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Sundanceh
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Yield is no good with papers...and only 20% of said product is used.....pipes get 40%

Now, from the research....the future is in Vaporizers! 

That's the ticket.....97% yield....little to no waste.  Unfortunately, they are not cheap...not the good ones.  And you need a grinder to maximize the product.....and in order for it to work more efficiently.  I ran into someone who gave me a real 'edumacation.'

Vaporizers are better on the lungs and associated tissues.....since combustion is eliminated the internal temperature drops from 750 degrees down to 350 degrees.

Hey, you guys (ain't) the only ones who can do research:)

LOL!

I take the 5th though...as Bill Clinton said...."I did not inhale..."

LOL x 2!

 

coloCan
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researching but never followed thru...(By the whey,I don't exhale!!!!!)

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annalexandria
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I use a pipe, supposedly made of wood that is untreated with chemicals.  The medical mj dispensary doesn't recommend papers.

manwithnoname
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I will certainly try.

Anyway the cannabis thing got interesting to me (again) when I heard people were juicing it, when the fresh plant is juiced it is not psycoactive, which means you can drink a HUGE amount and still function.

Now only when it's heated (or aged long enough) does THCa change to THC and then you have the 'high'.

This may have a huge impact on health, still early days but some amazing anecdotal experiences, and at the minute I'm very interested in positive anacdotes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw   This vid. is VERY interesting and this is really cutting edge nutrition.

coloCan
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and its debateable about his subsequent ability to function but then again,unless you know him well,you'll never know when he's on acid or mushroom or

manwithnoname
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But making tea is heating it, anyway tommorrow we pick up fresh leaf from a sympathetic angel and we will be juicing it, our Onc. also wrote the script for oil (they wanted to give him bud and a vapouriser Laughing) I really can't see juicing doing any harm, watch the vid from 8.00 min. onwards.

coloCan
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www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2013-05/ehs-nsr051313.php

A bit of humor:

Many years ago i had to partake of a training course at work on decision making. At some point,the instructor asked for an example of a "joint decision" so i raised my hand and when called upon explained:"There's a playground across the street from the facility i work at and a number of employees go there during lunch. Eventually,someone looks at their watch and exclaims:hey man,lunch is almost over, lets smoke a joint and get back to work."

coloCan
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manwithnoname
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That's interesting Steve, I found out not long ago that THC inhibits mTORC1 which is also what Metformin does (the diabetic drug) and mTOR is a cancer pathway downstream from RAS that controls glycosis.

My dad had both legs amputated from diabetes, he died recently, for sure I'm at high risk too.

I quit MJ after my son's DX, it was just giving me panic and anxiety attacks, maybe time to reconsider. For health reasons of course Innocent

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herdizziness
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I eat mine in either chocolate truffles (which I love) or in brownies or cookies, I can't handle smoking it.  And yes it does get me high as well, but I must say it's quite pleasant so I don't mind that side affect at all.

I have gotten butter from others to make my own, or if I want truffles I go to the local MJ store and buy them.

I also have the oil mixed nicely with olive oil for salads and such.

I don't know if it helps cure cancer but it sure helped with nausea, I never had to take nausea medication.

Winter Marie

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mj

coloCan
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manwithnoname
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Keep em coming, we got permission, just waiting for the paperwork to finish, today we start juicing leaf.

smokeyjoe
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Interesting .... my oldest sister is very straight laced, e-mailed me and while ago and told me she knows someone who was diagnosed with lung cancer....he took some marijuana oil  and his lungs cleared up on scans.     My sister would be  THE LAST PERSON  who I would have expected to hear this recommendation from ....she also sent me the video  Run from the Cure or something to that effect.   

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tanstaafl
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Nice shot Phil.  If you can bend the 2 leaves left of the middle and bend the two leaves right of the middle leaf, you'll have my vote for an FDA / DEA "participation" poster.

PS  I've never smoked although some brownies in my college ref were of a suspicious nature. 

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wawaju04976
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I googled hemp oil and got a number of sites. Is there a specific brand/etc. that one should choose. I see it is legal in the states.

Judy

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Products made from technical hemp are readily available. These may however not be effective as they contain no THC. something to be aware of.

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annalexandria
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he's the guy who is best known for promoting it.  He has a Youtube video on how to make it.  I think the only way to buy it legally would be if you have access to a mj dispensary.  Mine carries oil that is made to Simpson's specifications.  Otherwise, you have to buy some weed somewhere (know any teenagers?), and make it yourself.  I don't know if it requires fresh plant product or not.  AA

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wawaju04976
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lol couldn't i just smoke it?

 

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