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Is there such a thing?  My oh so brilliant (and I mean brilliant) daughter had a talk with me this past week.  She says I am being irresponsible about my diet and ways of living. My diet is whatever I feel like eating whenever I feel like eating and I go for walks when the mood hits.  I need to be near trails in order to be inspired to go for long walks.  I do love the scenery and sounds in the woods.  

My daughter says I eat too much processed food.  I don't agree.  She is vegan and anything that does not come in its natural skin is processed to her.  I do love chicken and fish and salads.  

I am frustrated with her pointing this out to me.  I know she only wants me to be here alive and well for a long long time to come.  I told her that I don't think about cancer anymore.  It's the truth. Cancer is the furthest thing from my mind since hearing I am NED. I am not sure what I am supposed to be doing to keep BC from recurring other than taking Tamoxifen.  

So I am reaching out to my sisters for any advice I can garner.  I have read about diet and excercise and that seems to be for everyday even if one   is not been challenged with a very serious health issue.  I don't do much excercise for other reasons, not cancer.  My daughter says I eat a lot of processed foods.   It's hard to hear that because it's not fair that the organic foods and healthier foods are way too expensive for a one paycheck household.  What am I supposed to do?  And is it true that the foods we eat can bring on cancer?  I have a problem with this.  If that were the case, than every human being would have cancer. 

I understand the fat/hormone relationship.  I've lost 24 pounds recently (planned) and think I am doing a good job about my weight.  I am a bit overweight, not obese.  I am also diabetic.  There is so much to figure out and I am just feeling so overwhelmed.   

My take on me getting breast cancer is .... it was a fluke.  It's like tripping on air and breaking a toe.  It just happend and now it's all better.  I told my docs this same thing.  My cancer was a fluke and it is not coming back.

Sorry for being long winded but I am not sure if I am supposed to be trying to fend off something I truly believe will never return.

Love to you all,

Mary

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Mary I get the same stuff from my husband, and yes it is frustrating.  For Christmas he gave me a book called "Beating Cancer with Nutrition".  I flipped through it and read a little here and there.  When he asked what I thought of it, I told him the author needed to get his facts straight, and the recipies should match what he preached.  (I did get some other good stuff though.)

A doctor once told me that an average lunch of a sandwich, side dish, and beverage (healthy or not) contains about 10,000 different chemicals.  How does anyone say which chemical, or combinations of chemicals, feeds/helps kill cancer?  That is further complicated by our own individual biologies.

Cancer is also one of the oldest known diseases, if it were as easy as changing our diet and exercising...don't you think we would no longer have cancer?

So with these things in mind, I choose to travel the path of moderation.  I don't drink though.  Since my stupid party days, it hasn't had much appeal.  Then CC posted a really good article about alcohol and cancer.  Hopefully she will see this and repost it.  I do have a hard time with the exercise thing these days...

I hope this helps you.

Hugs,

Linda

 

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I believe your husband meant well with the book.  However, if the author had the answer, he would be a media star with every talk show begging to have him on, every newspaper, magazine would have his face on the front page and cover, every scientist would throw up their arms, oncologist and Cancer Centers would be obsolete and ...   you get the picture.  I wonder how much money they make?

Doris

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Doris, I know he means well.  And he just wants me to be better...and he gets frustrated with my 'poor' diet and lack of exercise.

Hugs,

Linda

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I am really glad I came to the "experts".  I knew I would find answers from my best pink sisters.  I agree with moderation.  Those are words to live by. 

 

It is truly amazing that this discussion is still taking place in this day an age.  I find it discouraging actually.  Women from 2000 years ago did not have processed foods anywhere and still had this disease.  

I do have lots to bring back to my daughter.  I know she only wants what is best for me.  Honestly, she is vegan because of her love of animals, BUT somewhere in her mind, she probably believes (and I pray) that she will never get cancer because of her choices.   

 I do believe your husband was trying to convey his concerns for you and was TRYING to help.  One of my dearest friends gave me a soup cup with a reference to breast cancer.  I smiled but I wasn't thrilled to get the cup.  I am an ungrateful type, but it wasn't the kind of Christmas present that felt right.  SO I understand what you are feeling.

 

Happy New Year Dear Sister

Mary

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I now it is difficult for Americans to understand the relationship between what we ingest and disease. But this is the TRUTH. The chemicals you place in your body will either nourish and maintain your body until old age, or you will degenerate much faster. Please study "nutrition". If you start at a young age correcting the nutrtional deficiencies you now have as a young person, you will be a much healthier person in your middle to elder years. Anything less is a growing dietary deficiency that will destroy your body.

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That's a big weight loss, and you still did it through the holidays.  I know what the literature says about certain foods and even bottled water, but I wonder.  I say all things in moderation, along with a good exercise plan in place. Do it faithfully! I just wish I could develop your positive attitude toward the cancer issue.  It was great for me to read your thoughts on it being a fluke, etc.  Cyber hug for you, Linda  

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Hi Lin

I think I will try to walk a little more and get my heart pumping more.  I know it is crucial in my well being.

How does someone who has dealt with cancer decide what is good and what is not so good?  I believe I eat OK.  I have meat (usually the white kind) about 5 times a week.  Veggies are not as prevalent as they should be and I will amp it up more in this new year.  

It's hard for me because I feel I have to please everyone around me before I can be happy.  Is that not fair?  It usually is the best way for me to keep the balance in the family.

Maybe that's more the issue ... not so much my diet.  I don't know.

 

Thank you for your input.  It means a lot to me.

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I know what you mean, it is so overwhelming to know what is right along the lines of nutrition. For most of my adult life, I am 54, I have eaten about 75% whole food/plant based diet but also giving in about 25% of the time to a variety of other foods. I did drink my fair share in my college days but then very limited and now not at all. I was a dance major in college and have done some form of exercise most of my life. But....I have been treated for both Stage3b anal cancer and had a double mastectomy for Secretory Carcinoma of the breast, a rare BC. I like to think that my health, although may not have prevented these cancers, did greatly help in my recovery. I could eat my words tomorrow, but right now I feel better than ever before! So many genetic and environmental issues play into our cancer diagnoses, and we can not survive long in a bubble, but I think doing what we can with moderation in some areas is best.

Your positive attitude will carry you far, that is often something much harder to achieve! Congrats on the weight loss that shows success.

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On every board I've been on and go on, it is a perennial question often asked by someone about every 3 months.

I've never read that anything will prevent breast cancer because there is no clue what causes the disease.  We all know that a recurrence happens when cells go into hiding, biding their time before causing havoc again.    We don't know whose cells or why this happens until it does.  All we can do is give ourself the best odds with the treatments that are available to us.

Since breast cancer is the oldest recorded disease in history going back 2500+ years,  I feel certain that if food was involved,  someone along the way would have figure it out.   They didn't have process food back in 490 b.c. and you can inform your daughter about that fact, Mary.  Yet, they did have breast cancer.  A good book to read about the history of breast cancer is:  "Bathsheba's Breast: Women, Cancer and History" by James Olson.  A little dated published back in 2002, I think but still very interesting to read. 

As far as drinking, I believe in moderation.  CC and I differ on this.  Even though she presented a few articles of interest, it doesn't make it a fact.  When the powers make it a fact with a lot more surveys and statistics and state that it is, I will continue to have my occasional glass of wine. 

One has to make choices on what they want to believe and how it fits into their lifestyle.  

Congratulations on the weight lost Mary.  

Wishing you the best as always,

Doris

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Hi Doris

Once again your input is thought provoking.  It truly is amazing that women have been afflicted with this disease for over 2000 years and our brilliant scientists still don't know how it happens and to cure it.   AMAZING!

I will definitely get the book you mentioned.  I need to get more educated about this disease.  It's one thing to deal with it and walk away alive and well and it's another to have more understanding of it.

The drinking part is very interesting.  I am the occasional drinker.  Social drinker only.  So it's not really issue to me.  

Your statement about one making choices on what they want to believe is very spot on.  That's why I say "cancer was just a fluke".  It's my belief.  I cannot believe that this beast is still lurking within.  I pray it won't and honestly don't think it will come back.  I hate the follow up appointments because of the fact that it is a reminder.  Walking away is all I want do.  AND there are days that I honestly just want to make believe it never happened and don't need these doctors.  Of course, my intelligence kicks in and I know I have to at least continue seeing docs for the next 5 years.

Thanks Doris!!!

 

XO

Mary

 

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I think Linda, said it quiet well. The question I have is Shouldn't these people that haven't had cancer be practicing what they preach so they don't get it??? HA

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As if cancer isn't expensive enough without worrying about buying fresh food daily.  I live up north so the growing season is short.  I grow a lot of my own food.  This way I know what chemicals are used. I home can the food so I know what additives go into it.  I  found that I can sweeten foods with Equal so as to keep with my hubby's diabetic restrictions.  Since I home can the food I also know how many days it is from the garden to the jar.  I do have to buy some of the foods so there is some mystery to that but I am rather certian it is quite fresh anyway. 

I have been home canning foods since before cancer due to financial considerations.  However, when I learned that BPA lined the cans of soup and other foods that we buy in the store I increased the number of foods I home can.  Don't get me wrong, as there is still some exposure.  The can lids for home canning are lined with BPA as well.  But the jars are not so I figure I have reduced my exposure to BPA by about 75%.  And of course BPA has not been proven to cause cancer but at least with my limited income I can control this one factor, so I do.  And it is a lot of work.  But it saves the bucks on groceries. 

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I do think diet affects the body from a health standpoint. whether it causes cancer who knows. I do think people are predisposed and then something triggers it. I think there is something to the inflammation idea, and keeping your blood sugar in line is important. there are studies that show daily activity and a daily aspirin help to prevent recurrence. If you have boobs you are at risk. did you have a double?

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I so agree with your statement " people are predisposed and then something triggers it."   I've been saying that for decades.   I just never thought I would be one of them.  Cancer is nowhere in my family.  Well, that's not quite right.  I had it.  

I am going to stick with the "everything in moderation" mentality.  I don't overdose on bad foods.  My daughter just might be trying to believe that her diet will keep her safe.  I pray it does!  I know she is scared.  I just wish she would give me credit for having a brain.   I am 57 and think I know a thing or 2.  Then again, I'm not young enough to know everything!

Thank you for responding.  

I had a lumpectomy to one of my breasts.  It's a third the size it used to be but I am small breasted and it's not noticeble in clothes. 

xo

Mary

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In my case, I don't think my getting cancer had anything to do with my diet, exercise, etc.  I often get the sense that there are folks without cancer who want to "blame" the patient, perhaps because they think if they do X, Y an Z then they won't get this disease.  I think some of their reaction may be fear-based.

I remember getting a similar lecture from my sister when I was first diagnosed--even though I was thin, doing Jane Fonda videos every day, with a sensible diet.  LOL!  Then two of my sisters also got breast cancer.  My younger sister was a marathon running health food junkie when she was diagnosed.  Of course, the lecturing sister is the only one who has not had cancer, but she quit lecturing and completed 5 years of aromasin ;-).

Now, having gotten that off my chest, I won't let anyone here completely off the hook.  We all know we need to be the healthiest we can be to fight this disease.  I have tried hard to modify my diet to include more antioxidants and foods that fight inflammation.  I have quit drinking alcohol because there is just no good news coming from the studies re breast cancer and even moderate drinking.  I personally avoid BPA (found especially in the lining of cans) because it can have an estrogen effect on the body and my tumor was ER+.  I try to AT LEAST get out and walk every day.

But I promise you that I am not perfect.  It is very hard to live near New Orleans, a city that seems to attract brilliant chefs the way that flowers attract bees, and not splurge on something like Bananas Foster from time to time. Yum!

Recipe For Disaster: Alcohol and Estrogen-Positive Breast Cancer:

http://breastcancerbydrruddy.com/?p=2703

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Interesting discussion.  I like your idea, Mary, that getting cancer was a fluke.  I also liked CC's comment that some of the lecturing, "blame the patient folks" may be reflecting their own fears. 

One thing that I am doing is taking Vitamin D3 and getting my levels periodically checked.  Easy to do and one thing my MO said was good for preventing recurrence.  I'm also trying to focus more on shopping the outside perimeters in the grocery rather than the inside rows where more processed food is located.  But, I do agree moderation is a key.

Angie

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Ok, CC, what is a Bananas Foster.... ?    I bet everyone wanted to know but where to shy to inquire.

 

Doris

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OMG, Bananas Foster is a locally famous dessert served at the fancier restaurants.  It is one of those flaming desserts, beautifully presented and is a very special banana mixture that is served piping hot over vanilla ice cream.  It is to die for.  Here is a recipe from one of the old Grande Dame restaurants in NO, Arnaud's:

"Bananas Foster

Serves 6

5-1/2 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1 tablespoon granulated sugar
6 tablespoons (3 ounces, ¾ stick) unsalted butter
3 cups light brown sugar
6 whole bananas, peeled, halved lengthwise and then cut into quarters
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/>1/3 cup dark rum
¼ cup banana liqueur
6 scoops vanilla ice cream, slightly softened
2 long, fireplace matches

In a small bowl, combine the cinnamon and sugar, mix thoroughly and set aside.

In a flambé pan or chafing dish, combine the butter and brown sugar. Mash together, then place the pan over medium heat and stir with a wooden spoon until the sugar melts and the mixture caramelizes to a rich brown color.

Add the banana pieces to the pan, cut sides down and cook for about 1 minute. Place the rum in a large ladle and ignite with a long match. Drizzle the flaming rum into the pan.

Scatter the cinnamon-sugar mixture directly over the flame. As the flame dies out, pour the banana liqueur into the ladle and ignite with a long match. Drizzle the flaming banana liqueur into the pan and stir gently to combine all the ingredients. The flames will quickly die down.

Immediately place one scoop of ice cream in each of six saucer-style champagne glasses. Spoon the banana mixture over the ice cream and plenty of the pan juices. Serve immediately.

*We recommend that this magic be performed well away from draperies, low ceilings, intake air vents, overhanging decorations, and your guests’ coiffures or clothing*"  http://www.arnaudsrestaurant.com/ar/2011/recipes/dessert-of-the-week-bananas-foster/

Bon Appetit!

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You've worked so hard to get here, I think that you should enjoy and eat what you want.  But, there is always room for some compormise, right?  Don't they say everything in moderation is best?  In my case, Dr also said bc was a fluke and not to let cancer take over my life.  It seems like you are doing that.  My philospohy is to keep it simple, maybe with your diet you can try to eat some more fruit/veggies every day along with other stuff too?  Keep an open mind about exercise, someday it might fit into your life.  Go at your own pace.  Listen to your body and keep informed at the local clinic or community center.  Maybe there will be something that catches your eye.  

Congratulations on your progress!   

Lynn Smith
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I think many things can cause it.To many to mention.The things that were going on in my life had something to do with it.Our neighbors for one.They've been reported and justice was done.This was the stress part.Then my grandson elbowed me.It hurt.Went to the doctor he felt nothing.This being my left breast the one I had quite a few Benign tumors.I was worried. Another worry plus injury.When the doctor felt nothing he said wait till the next mammo in 5 months. .The tumor was found and cancerous.Very very small.1/2 centimeter so I feel it very well could be the injury and stress. But I have a family history with 4 of us now.So it's not one thing I can pinpoint.It's many things.

I have been told by my doctor to eat healthy.I don't.My friend who is a survivor for 18 years does and attribute her long cancer free life to that.She exercises but her job is a sit down job and no exercise during the day.I clean house all day and the only time I sit is when I'm on the computer or watching just a little TV.I get my exercise believe me.

I need to gain some weight.Lost about 15 lbs this last year and just depressed over it.Sickness was the cause of some and  just overdoing it.I must slow down. So I need to gain about 15 lbs, and eat more than I have been.I would feel better about myself and healthier.Eating some garlic bread now and had cream of wheat this am.Beef and noodles later.I hope to stick with a better diet.

Lynn Smith

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is simply that we should nuture our bodies with healthy foods and exercise and avoid things we know are bad for us (cigarettes, processed foods, etc) so we'll be as healthy as possible for whatever comes our way.  And we will all have a health crisis some time.  It doesn't have to be cancer!  And on occasion, we need to nuture our psyche and have that meal or dessert that gives us sublime pleasure.   And I actually practiced that after my diagnosis.  And I felt really good (except when I was on chemo).   For the past year,  eating healthy and exercising has become an occasional experience rather than the norm and that is not making me happy or healthy.   

 Anti Cancer - A New Way of Life by Dr. Servan-Shriver is an excellent book and gives you plenty of food for thought.

I wish us all the abiity to live as healthy a lifestyle as we can - however we define that.

By the way, my cancers were caused by running behind the mosquito abatement trucks and playing in the fog as a child!  And if you believe that  . . . .

Suzanne

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Suzanne, are you from the South?  My husband used to bicycle behind the mosquito fog to get a good blast.  He speaks fondly of the old smell (yuck). Lol, he has never had cancer. Wink 

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the mosquito spray trucks and doing what you did too Suzanne.  I also remember a DuPont Plant exploding in my neighborhood when I was about 10 or 11.  I can't imagine how many chemicals invaded my body through both methods.  But I have to ask "why only me in my family?"

My daughters cannot believe for one second that they might be targeted.  I can't believe they can get this.  If I was afflicted due to my environment, then they are pretty much going to be OK.  Since I am the first in my family to have cancer, BRCA was not performed.  SO I have no idea if I have a gene that passes along to my children.  I just pray they will be spared.

 

As for trying to prevent a recurrence....sometimes I just think it's impossible.  Other times, I convince myself it was a fluke and that it will never return.  

I pray that our scientists can find a way to stop this beast.  To leave it up to the victims to figure out how to stop it from coming back is just a cruel as having the disease.  

 

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My only risk factors for breast cancer were being overweight and having an aunt and a great aunt with the disease.  I agree also that so far we don't seem to have a good map to follow for preventing recurrance or for not getting cancer in the first place.  The one thing that does concern me is that excess body fat apparently produces estrogen, having had an estrogen receptor positive tumor.  I am in complete menopause now (at age 48) and am faithfully taking my Arimidex but have been trying to lose some weight in hopes of improving my chances a not having a recurrance.  That being said, I'm going to be really cranky if I deprive myself and end up with a recurrance anyway, so I do think moderation with some cheesecake (and I'd love to try bananas foster!) is the way for me!

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Since we come in all sizes, skinny, medium, large, x-large, I don't believe anyone should feel guilty because it is not a real cause in why we are diagnose with breast cancer.   The bottom line is they simply don't know the cause of breast cancer.

 

In the area of "Statistics for Breast Cancer" - the following:

 

Causes:  Metastasis happens despite vigilance and precautions.  Healthy lifestyles, timely screening and early detection are no guarantee a person will not metastasize.  Even stage 0 patients metastasize.

 

http://www.metavivor.org/Awareness_Stats.html

 

 I doubt that I will ever have a Bananas Foster and thank you Cypress Cynthia for posting it.  I enjoyed it without gaining a calorie. Smile

 

Best,

 

Doris

 

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Doris ( and everyone else), You never know when you may come down to New Orleans!  Contact me if you do and we will "pass a good time" (that's Cajun talk).  The Fench Quarter and Uptown were never hit by Hurricane Katrina because they are high ground, so to speak.  And , after the Super Bowl, the city should be looking especially nice then.  Just don't come in the summer.  It is too hot! 

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get cancer and who don't  What we eat ,what we drink , what in the air all can be bad .I do try to eat health I am a dibetic and have to watch what I eat but it is what if should of been doing before I got dibetis.I do try to walk every day 20min or more I like going up hill it give me a better workout.As for cancer returning I am like you I don;t want to wast my time thinking about it but I do keep doing what the doctor says to do .If cancer returns I will deal with it then.

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No need to cross THAT bridge if it isn't built!  I just thought it was a topic worth discussing.  I am so sick of folks telling me how to eat, when to eat, when to excercise, what excercise I should be doing ...  

I don't talk about cancer like I used to.  It's a bad memory.  So when I am asked how I am feeling, I usually don't equate that question with cancer.  I refuse to.  

I don't like to talk about cancer.  It's just too unpleasant.  I can't deal with it. I don't want to deal with.  I filed it under NEVER AGAIN and there it will stay.

I guess having had cancer, I am predisposed to a recurrence.  But I know a few ladies who told me they have been cancer free for 10, 15, and even 20 years.  So I know I that can be my destiny too.

Wishing you good health 

Mary

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my Grandmother was also a cancer survivor.  SHe had a mastectomy and radiation in her 80's, and that was back in the 1990's.  She survived and flourished in her later years.  She had the best attitude, and I think that is what kept her alive for so long.  She did what made her happy-- spending time with her son, staying in her own home instead of a 'home'.  We shared much love with her in our small family, but that kept her spirits high.  Stay happy, only you know how-- no need to listen to others.

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My sister did the same with my Mom..(she died 6+ yrs ago but no cancer) MY sister would make her drink (daily even if staying with me post hospital stays) home made (nasty looking) juice. (green slime to me) MY mom I must say was JUNK JUNK JUNK food eater and ate like a child (burger and fries, corn)

 

MY mom just appeased her..and then ate what she wanted...lol... to this day rest of family chuckle over her having health drink in one hand and soda in the other..

 

Denise

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Life can be such a crap shoot. Danny's mom used to fuss about Danny's grandmother's (Mimi) coca cola habit.  She said it was going to kill her drinking those awful sodas.  Well Mimi lived to be 95 and died in her own little apartment (not assisted living).  She was overweight but healthy until she died.  His mom is 80 but really struggling with dementia, hypertension and epilepsy and is in assisted living.  Go figure!

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diagnosis, I just remember hearing my brother in law's words..."stop drinking diet cokes, they gonna kill you!" I just felt the NEED for answers. What did I do or eat to cause this? No one in my family had it although my Father is a colon cancer survivor and I have read a few articles linking colon/breast cancer. Anyway, as many of you stated, I  believe there are many factors that play a part in the development of cancer. Stress, obesity, genes, environment...etc. My dear mother blamed a drug she took back in the 60's to keep from miscarrying me labeled DES. It was touted as some vitamin so she took it for a few months. Not long after it was found to cause abnormalities and yes, possibly breast cancer.

All in all, I do believe a good diet of fruits and vegetables, fish, lean meats and chicken and the "occasional" indulgence can only do your body good as opposed to high sugar and fat that can be found in a lot of processed foods. My doctor told me that she sees many breast cancer survivors develop diabetes as she feels the organs have been compromised with such heavy duty drugs so it's crucial to watch the sugar intake. I have such a sweet tooth so that's a challenge. Dark chocolate 82% with low sodium almonds...in moderation of course.

I personally believe demographics play a part in my cancer. We lived close to an air force base growing up and years later there were rumors of toxic waste in and around our area. As of today, practically every household had someone with cancer. Not only in my parents generation, but in their children. That just doesn't sound like some coinsidence.

I'm just curious as to WHY breast cancer has increased so much in the past 10 years? Is it computers? Could it be the lead-laden purses we carry close to our breasts? Plastic water bottles? Who knows? It's frustrating as heck when I hear of yet another person diagnosed.

 

 

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Cup of Raspberries instead Cupcake? maybe both while walking?

Let's encourage everyone, who is utilizing any valuble prevention idea, including healthy approach to life

Er+ Ladies

please do not forget that TNBC survivors have only diet, physical excersises, and happiness as prvention tools at their disposal. 

Cheers to all

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My hubby is the greatest.  However, he doesn't understand what it takes to keep the weight off at my age plus Tamoxien.  Those who dont put on weight are so lucky.  I certainly did.  My doctor and oncologist said I will not get rid of tummy, now two tummies..........  I have to say recently I did a little more exercise than normal, slightly different diet and am finally loosing weight. 

I wont eat anything I dont like, so found healthier things I enjoy, made all the difference.  Walk a mile at the gym daily or outside of course for those who prefer.  (tread mills boring)  One mile doesn't take long so suits me.  Pilates twice a week (excellent for strength) and Yoga three times a week (my joints have never been this pain free for years).  All these things must be done properly ie warm ups, cool downs, positioning and posture so as not to get injuries.  The one other thing I do and it takes 10 mins max a day before or after a class is 200 situps for our tummies.  This sounds a lot, but when using the little sit up frame at gym or the ones you can buy they support the head and neck well and make it easy.  I could only do a few when I started now dont even feel breathless.

 

This all sounds a lot.  But in fact when I attend a class the other stuff adds on an additional 30 mins max.  Plus I ENJOY it.  I have had a painful shoulder for two and a half years, realized something I had been doing wrongly and built up the shoulder muscle with correcting Yoga moves.  I am pain free now.  Bad posture all my life.

Finally food.  I do not like the vitimin craze here.  I do take Calcium and that is it.  Eat sardines, kippers on toast.  Fish Oil tablets have been found not to work well.  I jazz up salads with adding a little Wasabi for a kick.  Still have potatoes, bread (the healthiest I could find) but also treat myself with the bad stuff sometimes, make desicious soups from scratch.  I do not like chicken, find it very bland, unless cooked on the bone.  Dark chocolate, is good for you, just a bit and almonds, not too many.  Loads of vegetables, I luckily like cabbage, turnips, parsnips, cauliflower, etc. etc.  Yes I have steak, lamb and mince just not a huge amount.  My vice is strong tea and I enjoy a glass or two of wine.  Always decaf coffee but decaf tea is gross.  Pasta and rice in moderation.  All sauces, tinned veg, tinned soups, and a lot of cereals are bad for you.  The salt etc is not good at all.  So I make all sauces, gravies from scratch.  Let me tell you, red pepper soup is great and made in minutes, mushroom soup is delicious and made in minutes.  My husband loves my black bean soup and carrot and ginger.  A good thickner is spinnach, cornstarch rather than flour.

Sorry to go on.  It took me a while to get there, just wanted to share.

 

 

 

burcu123
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It is not totally understood what causes breast cancer. However there are very good clues. This is a disease that has been decribed in ancient Egyptian writtings.

There are women who are genetically predisposed tothe disease, like women with BRCA 1 and BRCA 2 mutations. These genes help repair DNA and when defective DNA can not be repaired effectively causing cancer. Women with these mutations are also morelikely to have ovarian and colon cancers.

So far evidence suggests that for other majority of women, prolonged Estrogen exposure seems to be the main reason. Estrogen has been declared by NIH to be a class one cancerogen. Breast cancer cases has increased tremendously in our modern world, because women are exposed to huge amounts of estrogen. this estrogen is mainly coming from inside our own  body. Effect of estrogen we get true plastics, and chemicals etc are actually not the main cause. It is true some in some areas poluted water has caused high incidences of cancer, many such areas are military bases.

Today women have less children , at a later age , breast fed less often and shorter, mensturate a longer period of time. just 100 years ago , women started having periods much later age, shortly after they were married, get pregnant, there was nothing as formula ( at least most part of the world), so either they breast fed or the baby died ( cow milk was not a very good substitude and even finding clean constant supply of cow milk was difficult), Women were not supposed to have this long a mensturial period. It is estimated that 100 years ago most women had a total of 300 to 500 peroids at their life time, while today women on average have 1500 to 2000 periods per life time, tremedously increasing their estrogen exposure.

Let me give you two examples from animal world. Did you know if not spayed 1 out of every 4 dog will develop breast cancer. If a dog is spayed before it's 2nd heat , chances of a dog developing breast cancer goes down to less than 1%. Same applies for mice, if a mice had it's ovaries taken out at an early age it will not develop breast cancer. These clearly show the cause of estrogen on breast cancer

Human studies show that bilateral removal of ovaries decrease breast cancer risk in general by 50%( earlier they are removed higher the decrease) Also women with higher estrogen levels has much higher risk for breast cancer. If a women has high levels of both estrogen , progesterone and testestoren her cahnces of breast cancer increases 6 fold.

It is not this simple offcourse there might be many contributing factors, Still estrogen is one of the top causes of breast cancer.

Estrogen is good for women too, it gives us all the characteristics of a women, it decreases chances of heart disease, it probably makes us more social, loving, caring and smart too. But there has to be a balalnce like everything some is good too much of it is not good.

Prevention and recurrence of breast cancer is possible , especially for estrogen driven ER positive cancers. Sisters and daughters of breast cancer patients are increased risk, their chances can be decreased by anti-estrogen medications, like tamoxiphen, raloxiphen and Arimidex. Please do not burry your heads in the sand and think it was a fluke it is not going to happen to mey daugter or sister. It may not, but it may and it definetly does not hurt if they consider and discuss chemoprevention with their physicians

 

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SIROD
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Dear Burcu123,

 

The cause of breast cancer is not known.  I'm not sure all the clues are in, even if they have a toe hold on some. 

 

 Breast cancer cases has increased tremendously in our modern world, because women are exposed to huge amounts of estrogen. this estrogen is mainly coming from inside our own  body. Effect of estrogen we get true plastics, and chemicals etc are actually not the main cause. It is true some in some areas poluted water has caused high incidences of cancer, many such areas are military bases.

 

Since breast cancer is the oldest recorded disease in history, dating back to 490 b.c., I don't believe your take on it shows a lot of validity.

 

There is a reason why the medical establishment does not give serious drugs out haphazardly as you suggest with Tamoxifen and etc.  These drugs have very serious side effects.

 

Doris

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laughs_a_lot
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One thing is for sure. You have reached the age in life where you should be doing as you please. I am the same age. I am lucky as my kids have not tried to insinuate what I should or should not do or eat. Formerly I felt like you, that I had to please others prior to my being happy. However, I have come to realize that there will always be someone who complains about the way I go about living my life. I find this funny because I am quite the goody two shoes person, and my brothers thought I should have been a nun. Fear is behind thier comments. Do your best to care for yourself in the way that brings you the most pleasure while doing so. Then let the rest go. Remind people that God gave you a free will and you intend to exercise it.

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MsGebby
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your post!  Your last sentence says it all!!!  

I agree with you (and the others) that I should be able to do as I please and not worry about making others happy.  I think I am pretty smart and have a good handle on what is good for me and whatnot.  Having a life threatening diagnosis has made me just want to "live free".  Live free of stress, sadness, negativity, etc.  I deserve to lead my life my way as long as I am not hurting others.

 

Thnaks so much everyone!

Lilly2013
Posts: 12
Joined: Jan 2013

Your daughter is brilliant!!  www.naturalnews.com Prevention of cancer and other diseases is the real cure. Of course, once disease enters the body, we search for a cure. Diet is the key to prevention. If you eat the right foods, those foods will give you the nutrients necessary to prevent disease, and to heal and restore the body to normal functioning, much like a plant.

If you start reading the information on the website above, you will learn more about living a full, abundant life, rather than being sick. Our creator never meant for us to be constantly sick, or fearing disease.

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SIROD
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One can not prevent when one does not know the real cause of breast cancer.  

Breast cancer is the oldest recorded disease in history, dating back to 490 b.c.  I am certain that all the women and men over these years have tried different food to cure their disease.  If food was the answer to prevent breast cancer, more than likely this disease would no longer be a problem.

I am glad you believe that you have the answer but it sounds like your promoting a web site.

Doris

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missrenee
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Breast cancer is such a complex, complicated disease.  I doubt very much there is one cause--and I also doubt that it is the same for everyone of us.  In Cypress Cynthia's words--it is very much a crap shoot.  After my Stage III diagnosis 3 years ago, I quickly went to Stage IV within 2 years and had a recurrence a few months later--after very agressive treatment.  Who knows why.  Would the outcome have been the same otherwise--don't know.  Did my diet play a part, my environment or my genetic code?  Don't know. 

What I do know, like Doris, and many others here, I intend to live whatever life I have left as fully as I can.  If it's within my comfort level to do what I wish to do, or eat or drink what I wish to, then I will.  At this point, I really don't think much will affect my destiny.  It's a personal choice and I don't really think there's any one right answer.

 

Hugs, Renee

 

 

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