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REMISSION WITH DIET CHANGE AND SUPPLEMENTS

atlanticcanada
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has anyone gone into remission with diet change and supplements after being diagnosed with cancer. love to hear any stories thanks,

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pete43lost_at_sea
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i tried a few diets, i tried a few supplements, i am almost there.
sometimes surgery and some cool drugs can also be needed.

see my post about coffee in baden baden.

goodluck and welcome to the best colorectal resources on the planet.

hugs,
Pete

Ps I have met some colorectals with stage 4 that are in remission and not on chemo. I have hope.

atlanticcanada
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Thanks for responding ,i luv your posts i have watched your posts for a month since my daughter was diagnosed.She is 31, had colon resected in August , they saw a small liver met and so will operate in 3 weeks , she has never been on chemo and will not start for 4-6 weeks after liver resected so of course we are concerned about the time line as it will be 14 weeks since the colon resection. so back in July started mistletoe injections iv vitamin c turmeric with bioperine and lots of other supplements, Its encouraging to hear you have met some in remission wihtout chemo.

thanks again and i will keep watching for your posts

John23
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Are you asking about doing the "alternatives" instead of the usual
therapy of chemicals and radiation, or along with the usual therapy?

Your daughter should really have other opinions regarding her
condition, if she hasn't done so already. Assuming a "spot" is
cancerous without knowing for sure, and embarking on a very
harsh and damaging therapy based on that assumption, can
be worse than doing nothing.

Another opinion from a different colorectal surgeon would be
the best route to take before committing to anything.

Best of health to her (and you),

John

atlanticcanada
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We meet with the surgeon again next week, my daughter has had colon resection they have done ct and mri and i guess they do know it is a cancerous liver tumor. we are wondering if it is possible (even tho she is planning on chemo) after this liver spot is removed, has anyone used diet and supplements and not had to do chemotherapy or at very least can the diet and supplements hold any micrometasatis from taking hold..hope this makes sense.

John23
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Re:
"has anyone used diet and supplements and not had to do chemotherapy "

You can click on the names to the left of your screen and read
each individual's biography (provided they added one).

There have been a few that have taken routes other than chemical therapy
and radiation, and are still around to talk about it. Most have left the
site however, due to the arguing about saying anything against conventional
treatments. Most of us have just moved on with our lives, rather than
deal with the aggravation and demeaning nature of those that have some
sort of a religious belief that carcinogenic industrial chemicals (chemo)
is the only answer to killing cancer cells.

I personally feel that there are better, safer ways that work as well
or better than what the cancer industry has to offer.

In the later stages of cancer, where one is about to die from cancer
invading a specific area that will surely kill them, whatever works
the fastest is what is best (chemo and/or radiation). But both
chemo and radiation are carcinogenic, and often cause more harm
than good. We do what we have to, to stay alive, but we should
not allow the fear of cancer to determine what is our best path
to take.

If one has the time to use a better, safer approach to stifling cancer,
it would make sense to try that first.

Harsh treatments can wear the body down to the point that it
can no longer fight for itself. When that happens, we are left
with no choice than to depend on what the cancer industry has
to offer........ and when they finally tell you that there's nothing
left for them to offer? Well.... you can't expect some "alternative"
to work at all at that late point in time.

Take your time if you have it, don't fear exploration; questioning
"authority" should be the prescription for survival.

Best wishes for better health!

John

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Do a search for Scouty's profile and 2bhealed.

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(you can search my name to see my last post that explains this), with surgery alone. I did do two different chemos, neither one of which worked for my extremely rare tumor type. I haven't done much in the way of alternatives, other than taking cimetidine for a two week period around my last colon resection. I maintain a reasonable healthy diet, take extra vitamin D, and walk as much as I can, but if I want to eat sweets, or have a cocktail, i do, and don't worry much about it. The tricky thing with knowing whether or not alternatives work post-surgery is that one's remission may have been achieved through the surgery alone; it's hard to say if the alternatives played a role or not. I don't think I've read of any cases here where someone went into remission without surgery at all, just doing alternatives and diet. Maybe John is aware of some? Anyway, in most cases, this approach can't hurt, but it would probably be best, if she is going to do chemo (which on the more standard type of colon cancer often works very well, at least to reduce visible tumors) to have coordination between your daughter's oncologist and naturopath, just to ensure things won't be interacting in a way that won't be beneficial to her. Ann Alexandria

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My wife had a localized complete response to cimetidine plus aggressive supplements like Life Extension Foundation recommends with even more vitamin B3, B6, B12, C, D3, K2, coQ10 based on various preliminary trial data and doctors' clinical series reports. She had three sites:
1. the primary wrapped itself around her colon to nearly obstruct, it shrank in 4 weeks on "alt";
2. metsenteric fat going into the peritonneum, wiped out in 4 weeks on "alt";
3. A large para aortic lymph node cluster did not spread for the 10 weeks prior to chemotherapy during "supplements only". The PALN cluster did not totally die off either, even with both chemo and supplements. Surgically removed a year later.

She still does maintenance chemo AND the heavy supplements. Without both, her CEA rises rapidly. Adding the supplement to her oral chemo, her CEA glides down toward a baseline.
We rely on surgery, light, daily oral chemo and *LOTS* of supplements.

A CA19-9 stain of her tumor tissue (outside lab) indicated by its strong positive presence (bad) that cimetidine, probably beneficial to the majority of advanced colorectal patients to slow/prevent metastasis, would help her. LEF.org online is the strongest voice to support cimetidine in print. I have not yet personally interviewed a doctor that was up to speed about cimeitidine, although some are now interested.

We also had chemosensitivity testing done on the live surgical sample, similar to Wiesenthal Cancer Group or Rational Therapeutics in California. Metastatic colon cancer is tricky business and it takes careful, non-dogmatic persistence to beat.

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herdizziness
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You can get cancer and go off the deep end, immediately become a raw food only vegan, try every diet claiming to take you into remission, or try every supplement (some good, some bad) and some of the scams out there (a lot of supplements, "therapies", etc., claiming to CURE your cancer)or...
You can try moderation. Eating a healthy diet, it's a good thing. Exercise, also it's a good thing. Those are the most recommended changes to make that most people don't. I don't think I ever saw a thing about taking more supplements as being recommended. I'm not saying I'm against them, but wouldn't it be better to get a lot of what you need in your food instead of in a pill? But if you must take them, be careful what you take, and let her oncologist know anything she is taking (some things don't go well with chemo).
I know, I know, a lot of people on here say that supplements are great, I say it's still a pill that was CHEMICALLY altered no matter how you look at it. Things were taken, dried or boiled or whatever, stuck in a pill form and called good for you, it has been chemically altered, (when something has been changed from it's original chemical compounds i.e., form to another chemical compound i.e., form).
I am one of these people that have never been a pill taker, I'd suffer with a headache rather then take an aspirin, that has changed now with heart and cancer issues, but I'm going to take the least amount of pills that I can. I've been anti chemical most of my life, I wouldn't spray mosquito repellent on myself (and in Alaska in the spring and summer that is no small thing), nor would I put on tanning lotion, but the chemicals I have allowed in my body, "chemo" have been to extend my life, it doesn't make me a chemo preacher, but the chemo has given me so far, two extra years of life, so I will continue chemo as long as I need it, I'm not that crazy as to give up a life saving way rather then have a foreign chemical into my life. The least amount of any other chemical alterations that I can spare my body, I will.
Just be careful of going crazy with anything that you (she does) do, too much of something can be as bad as not enough.
These are only my opinions, most of which I've had concerning pill forms of anything or chemicals for the great majority of my life, so please don't hold that against me.
I watched a dear lady get pressured into juicing and taking supplements, they did not cure her, they did not put her in remission. The two main things that hurt my soul on this was that she felt guilty about not trying the supplements sooner, that she thought maybe if she had... and that she really did want a cookie and a piece of cake but was worried about feeling guilty about that. I can only hope that before she passed away, she had that piece of cake and a cookie. She did not get great comfort from the juicing or the supplements and my attitude in that case is, what the h#ll, we need to still ENJOY some part of our lives, so don't forget to think about just eating a healthier diet and not restricting oneself completely of a vice or two, that isn't what's going to kill us.
Winter Marie

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I have a friend who was dx with colon cancer mets to liver and lungs in 2009. He did qi gong and never did any chemo or resection. After 6 months of qigong, when he went back, his blood count was normal and except low testosterone, everything was normal. I see him often and last Tuesday I was hanging out with him when he told me about

(1) Baking soda and honey that keeps his ph alkaline
(2) apricot kernel seeds which is not available in USA but can be arranged in canada
(3) scalar waves thru a wave machine which he keeps with him at all time that takes away all diseases. he showed it to me and next time I will get the info from him
(4) rife machine for radiation at home

He is a personal trainer and he is very active and i am amazed that he has the courage to not do chemo and is thanks to God, doing quite well.

I have been out of chemo on Aug 30 and started ozone water, my immunity is back to normal - I dont think I will ever be able to not do chemo and radiation which got rid of my tumor in the first place ... now my surgery will be to mop up...

hugs for you and your daughter...

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He must be quite the study in science world!!! My goodness just 6 months of qigong and his stage IV colon cancer and mets to the liver and lung are all gone,(I assume that it's gone with the inference since his blood was all "normal" 6 months later and he's alive and well 3 years later) that is so amazing. No surgery and no chemo just qigong. Hmmm, a miracle indeed.
And to top it all he has a machine that takes all diseases away, our government must be keeping that miracle machine hidden from us here in the US, must be a conspiracy.
And as for the "rife machine", it has been the cause of death for many cancer patients in the US and in Australia. Here's a little excerpt from Lymediseaseguide.org in Oct,2011: "Wisconsin and Minnesota have both essentially outlawed Rife machines, taking tough action on anyone trying to market or sell the devices within their jurisdiction. The states’ Attorneys-General have issues public health warnings against the use of Rife machines and deemed them to be health quackery and of no value in diagnosing or treating disease. All in all, Rife machines are of no benefit in treating any disease, including Lyme disease, or helping with the symptoms of such illnesses. Whilst they may do no direct harm, due to their ineffectual nature, they may cause patients to delay treatments that could provide a cure or some relief from their condition." " Rife machines have attracted considerable opprobrium from numerous scientists and even a number of lawsuits on behalf of customers defrauded of both money and, in some cases, their health or lives."
Incredulously,
Winter Marie

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Do you remember if it was John Nimmons (sp) that was trying to make one of these machines and he went to great length to get some machine up and working. This guy was a genious when it came to things like this however he passed a couple years ago. Always enjoyed his posts, but really never understood much of what he was trying to do. He too was always searching for the cure all but never achieved it. Miss him.

Kim

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At least at one time he was checking into the rife machine, because he saw an advertisement that you could hook it up with some modifications to your computer. He decided it was a scam and didn't go any further with it. John might have tried it but I don't remember.
Winter Marie

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1. It also takes a lot of courage to DO chemo. I know someone who died of cancer after deciding to pass on chemo, because she was afraid of the side effects (she might have died anyway, even with chemo, but she did have a type that is very responsive to tx).
2. If your friend offers to sell one of these machines to you, I would seriously question whether he is a friend or a salesman looking to take advantage. At the very least, I would request copies of his medical records, because of the tremendously unlikely nature of his story.

We're all in this fight together, regardless of what path we choose, but we really need to be careful of the snake oil salesmen out there who prey on our natural desire to live.
Ann Alexandria

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I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

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I guess it does sound like a hoax but he has not tried to sell me anything - i think he is just trying to stay alive and cancerfree without having to do chemo - and sharing info with me just like we do to help each other ---

I do my own research constantly and my uncle is an oncologist whom I meet every weekend for family gatherings - so i run everything by him before trying anything (even aloe vera juice)

I believe the qigong however incredible it sounds because qigong did help a lot of people to stay cancerfree - i met several people who go to the shaolin monk for energy healing thru qigong...

and baking soda does make your blood ph level alkaline - i read online and verified....

everything else is not for me ...

I have another friend whose mom has breast cancer and I told her to give her mom curcumin capsules but she told me her onc won't allow it (i wonder if she is thinking im trying to sell her capsules).....

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You know, I have a lot of respect for people like John23 (although I often dont agree with him) and Pete for keeping an open mind and looking at stuff off the beaten track. There is a difference in my mind however between looking at "alt" treatments and promoting scams, which is what Jr2012 is doing here.

1) There is no evidence that baking soda works as a better toothpaste, let alone as a cancer cure in humans. The mainline theory on how it should work is if cancer is caused by fungus, which all evidence shows it isnt. At least it isnt poisonous so go wild.
2) Apricot kernel seeds contain cyanide and are POISONOUS in quite small doses. The idea of them as cure goes back to the "Laetrile"/"B17" discussion which is somewhere between pseudoscience and a scam. They are DANGEROUS.
3) Scalar waves are as real as flower fairies and any "machine" claining to produce them is a scam.
4) Rife machines, even in theory, work using not radiation but very small electric currents and are at bets pseudoscience but mostly a scam.

Sorry Jr, but what ever caused your friend to go into remission (if he is) from STIV cancer (if he ever was) was not any of the things you list here.

manwithnoname
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Ok, I have read quite a bit about Rife and I am 100% convinced that the patients treated in some of his 'trials' had their cancer regress.
I am not 100% sure that it was his machine that did it. Placebo is very powerful too.

No 'Rife' machines produced today equal the power of his original machine, if they did you would need a licence to use them as they interfere with radio broadcasting and other channels.

The 'theory' is quite sound, using vibration does actually work. Google HIFU, if you vibrate things they generate friction which generates heat, heat kills tumours.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2130824/Sound-wave-treatment-zaps-prostate-tumours-debilitating-effects.html

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It's a scam, period.

manwithnoname
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In pancreas, kidney,melanoma,prostate, bladder and uterus cancers.

At least that's what some oncologists found.

http://www.hopewelltechnologieslimited.com/5-year-survival.pdf

IT'S A SCAM PERIOD

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herdizziness
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We're to ignore complete scams such as the RIFE machine? I don't think so. Inferring that is a bit of foolishness. And as for chemo, saved my life so far, and as far as using a COMPANY (Hopewell Technologies Ltd.) that is SELLING alternative stuff as your backup PROOF, lesson 101, if it's selling something don't take their words as true of anything. But you know so much about scams anyway,(apparently the pharmaceutical is the biggest in your mind) lots of scams out there, no reason to be touting them as good on this, a site of vulnerable people.
Have you thought of going to the brain and childhood cancer sites? They could be a wealth of information for you.
I personally care for the hope, and if that makes me a bad guy, so be it, but my hope shouldn't be listening to someone tout obvious scams with conspiracy theories.
Winter Marie

manwithnoname
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read anything I write do you.
Lesson 101 read the paper....

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it was from a company "Hopewell Technologies" I won't be reading it. The problem as I stated above is, they are ADVERTISING their product and most use any means to push their product forward and try to point out to everyone anything else is bad. Next time, try and use something not off an advertisers web site it you want people to read it, and respect the opinion of those they read.
Thank you very much.
I read most stuff you write, the encouraging, nay may I say pushing Pete to try that dog serum, and any other quacky things he or you came up with (Pete, not to say you didn't come up with a couple good things, but most...). There's just a point where one feels that you are full of it, and best to ignore what you write, until again, you start up trying to act like rife is a good thing, if only of course, you could use it properly...what hack, when in fact it is a scam or quackery, use either word that you like.
Winter Marie

manwithnoname
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"since it was from a company "Hopewell Technologies" I won't be reading it."

LOL....

"pushing Pete to try that dog serum" WTF?

"you start up trying to act like rife is a good thing" er...read it again..see where I said 'PLACEBO'

How about we just keep out of each others way? don't attack me and I won't respond, easy.

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When you come on and push woo so much, I'll not stay out of your way. And RIFE has been considered HARMFUL, (people not getting proper treatment, placing faith, i.e., hence your "placebo" effect in the RIFE machine, rather the true science)so much for your PLACEBO effect.
winter Marie

manwithnoname
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How about you respect peoples beliefs and choices their 'hope' whatever it maybe, is as valid as yours and you are certainly no expert.

I have seen you attack every alternative thing mentioned with no evidence to back it up other than 'what you think'.
I make sure I ALWAYS cite a peer reviewed reputable paper for ANYTHING I think is valid.

Please show me where i EVER said to buy a RIFE machine, good luck with that....

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I wished I'd majored in psychiatry then I could tell you why you are on this board. Your son has brain cancer according to you, but you do not go to that board and discuss anything, he is a child with cancer according to you, but again, you do not go childhood cancer board and discuss anything having to do with your son's cancer. The only thing you seem to discuss is encouraging Pete in anything and everything on the COLORECTAL BOARD.
I don't understand your strange attachment to Pete or the COLONRECTAL board, so I guess I can't help you, plus I don't have a PHD in psychiatry to explain your obsession with Pete.
I just wish you'd quit with your veterinarian advice to Pete and all other off the wall stuff you come up with. Thanks for advising him months ago about this latest keto for him to get on and for us to worry about.
And honestly, why aren't you on the other boards pushing your "cures" etc.??? Why just ours? Last I heard you aren't dealing with colon/rectal cancers at all! Because you have Pete to experiment with?
And you can make all the false statements you like, as to my being "against alternatives", you will see plenty of posts where I am not, to each their choice, but you, your pushing of veterinarian "cures" on to Pete etc. is beyond comprehensible (or even ethical if you happen to be a closet vet) belief.
And as for your peer review, the last thing you gave was a paper from "hopewell Industries" which is from a commercial corporation.
Winter Marie

manwithnoname
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according to his MRI, we've been here before, about how I ended up here, remember Gc-MAF?, and you accusing me of selling it, then accusing me of stealing someone else's cancer story, then accusing me outright of kiddie cancer fraud, then accusing me of lying when I was banned?
You have a short term memory. And Im STILL waiting for the apology.
If you didn't have cancer you would be in court.

My 'obsession' with Pete? how about your obsession with putting him down for every choice he makes, including the latest one the ketogenic diet, again something you know NOTHING about. What is your problem with what a fully competent adult decides to do?
He is not a child....how about JUST ONCE giving HIM some support instead of your negativity.

And I am STILL here because of the private messages of support I got after your relentless attack on me. And YOU are not going to scare me off like you have others.
Again maybe if you ever get into the position where your 'god in white coat' has nothing else to offer, you might just end up looking at 'alternatives'

"pushing your "cures" " WHAT 'cures' am I pushing? now put up or shut up! POST A LINK!

"And as for your peer review, the last thing you gave was a paper from "hopewell Industries" which is from a commercial corporation."

This statement just speaks for itself, don't know whether to laugh or cry....

And I have found more useful info. here in 3 months than 3 years on my brain tumor forum, Im HERE for the info not the hugs.

Now I am fed up off justifying my presence here to you, why don't you set your own forum up? then you can have COMPLETE control, doesn't that sound good?
I will still be here for you to vent your anger on, don't worry unlike most here I can take it VERY well.

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with some of the cancers you mention, Tony (specifically uterine and melanoma), who were able to achieve surgery because chemo reduced their tumors to a resectable size. Had they not had the chemo, the surgery, and its potential for an actual cure, wouldn't have been available to them. There are a lot of pros and cons with chemotherapy, and I think most us know that chemo in itself doesn't cure, but it can be a supporting tool in achieving a cure...or at least prolonging life, if a cure isn't possible, as is the case for so many of us. I don't really think scam is the right word. I hope your son is doing well. Ann Alexandria

manwithnoname
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Scam might be too strong, but reducing size for surgery is surely different to saying chemo will give long term remission or even 'cure' when the data from these 3 Australian oncologists shows it has NO value and still it is being prescribed.
These people are having low quality life and given false hope. But still hope I agree.
BUT if you were shown data that showed chemo made no affect on longterm outcome would you still take it?

Our son is doing ok (thanks for asking) he is still getting virus daily + chemo, his balance and motor skills are still good and most important no headaches.

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And it was really difficult to understand. Seemed a certain amount of "apples vs oranges" going on. I would have preferred it if they had parsed out in the charts which patients had chemo only vs surgery with mop-up chemo vs chemo followed by surgery, if they had shown how many patients fell into each category, etc. The detail given seemed incomplete and very disparate to me, so I didn't necessarily agree (or disagree) with their conclusions. On a personal note, I wish that I would have skipped chemo, as it did nothing in my case except leave me with some nasty long-term side effects, but I've seen too many people who have gained a lot from doing chemo to consider it false hope. And I've never had a single doc tell me that chemo alone could cure me, and it seems like when I read the stories on these forums, very few doctors (at least in the world of crc) are making that claim. Even surgery has its flaws, as it can spread cells. So when I see people touting machines or substances that somehow cure all diseases, I begin to feel very suspicious about their motives. Glad your son is doing reasonably well...no headaches must make life much more fun for him!
PS No quarreling with Winter please...you both have enough on your plates without adding the stress of an online battle.

manwithnoname
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All of the patients had prior surgery, this was purely to see the benefit to chemo.

"Aims: The debate on the funding and availability of cytotoxic drugs raises questions about the contribution of curative or adjuvant cytotoxic chemotherapy to survival in adult cancer patients." note the word 'curative'

On another note, that study checked data from the early 90's since then many new drugs have appeared and also more targeted and also gene/immune therapies.
I imagine the response would be higher now across the board.

I promise I won't fight ;-)

John23
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In all fairness.....

The idea that using chemo to shrink a tumor to a size that the tumor
can be surgically removed, is presently being argued among the
Oncologist's groups.

It is becoming more and more apparent each day, that shrinking the
tumor does not remove the small cancer cells around the tumor.
Surgically removing the balance leaves behind the individual cells,
and they do continue to grow as they did before.

Chemical therapy was not designed to isolate and kill individual
cancer cells; it was designed to knock down tumors before the
tumor got too large, invaded an important organ, and ended a life.

So knocking down a tumor does indeed leave some cancer cells
laying around behind. The concept of it all was wonderful, but not
what it is being presented to be, by today's cancer industry.

I may believe that the imported Chinese herbs have been a major
contributing factor for my existence today, but I have no absolute "proof".

Likewise, those that feel that "chemo" has been the saviour for their
life and soul, also have absolutely no proof.

The fact that a tumor has shrunk, does not mean a thing. The fact
that the patient now might have a second cancer developing due
to the carcinogenic chemicals injected into their system, or
serious neurological problems that may be permanent, also
have no bearing to the toxic chemicals value to mankind.......

Or does it?

A lot of things to consider, and not all that much time to do so,
once the diagnosis is cancer comes in.

Education can be difficult, unless old prejudices are purged
and fear takes the back seat to good old common sense.

Best wishes for everyone!

John

manwithnoname
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of what you say John, however relieving the 'tumour burden' might just swing the balance for the immune system to clear up the remainder.
If the immune system can 'see' the cells that is.

John23
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Re:
"relieving the 'tumour burden' might just swing the balance for the
immune system to clear up the remainder"

There's quite a bit of merit to that comment!

Apparently when -anything- dies, it expels a whole bunch of things
that it ordinarily does not expel in such great abundance.

The Immune system can become sensitized to those elements,
and become very aggressive towards those same substances!

That concept is not only being studied and noted, but it is the basis
for many of the "Immunotherapy" treatments that have been
developed lately.

Killing a large tumor can work wonders for the entire body,
-if- the entire body has not been compromised by excessive
doses of very harsh chemicals that manages to destroy the very
thing that can save us........the immune system.

A lil' knowledge can work wonders, if one follows the path.

Best of health,

John

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Very different from my experience, as I've never had a tumor grow back in the same area. Is that what the studies are showing happens, John? Do you have any links? As a person who relies on surgery for continued survival, I'm curious to read what's being said in this area. AA

John23
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Re:
"I've never had a tumor grow back in the same area. Is that what
the studies are showing happens, John? Do you have any links?"

Not necessarily in the very same spot.... the cells can drift, and
be transplanted to other areas. Leaving cancer cells behind is
a problem, but the real problem isn't that; the real problem is why
our immune system in not removing the "bad cells" the way it does
in individuals that never seem to get cancer regardless of their lifestyle.

Anything can cause cancer, if you happen to be vulnerable to cancer.

It really is that simple!

Best hopes for you,

John

janie1
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When researchers find a way to target cancer stem cells, then it makes sense that we can get to a real cure.

I have read over and over that chemo can kill cancer cells, but not stem cells. Therefore, when a person has surgery, if the stem cells are removed, they probably will have a tremendous outcome. Even if there are millions of cells still floating around, chemo can supposedly kill them. But if a stem cell floating around attaches to an organ, then you have a metastasis.
Getting to the stem cells is what has to happen (and only surgery can do that right now).

I would think that is common knowledge among oncologists.....but maybe not.
No oncologist has ever told me this. I think that is a terrible.

I want to find a clinical trial that targets stem cells. I don't know how difficult that will be.

When people here banter back and forth......well one person may have had a very successful surgery to get them to NED......and they are very, very lucky. If I happened to be so lucky, I think that I would think twice about saying what is the "absolute".

One more thing.......people have very different perspectives depending upon if they are NED, or, if they are on chemo #45 and on the last line of chemo, CEA is rising and a new "spot" lights up on the PET. If you haven't experienced the latter.......let me tell you it becomes very scary and you start looking for other treatments. This is the time to put yourself in to others' shoes......be empathetic, be supportive. This is not the time to scold them. Thanks for reading this. I think this is very important.

Blessings to all.

manwithnoname
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Believe me I am also looking. I have read hundreds, maybe thousands, of documents concerning cancer, new drugs, clinical trials etc.

I consider myself a pretty good researcher (for an amateur) this is what I found that kills cancer stem cells, some have only been tried in petri dishes, some in animals and a few in humans.

Metformin - diabetic drug
VP-16 (etoposide) - chemo drug
Thioridazine - Psychiatric drug

Reovirus
Newcastle virus
(probably all oncolytic viruses)

DAB/IL2 - (probably, this activates an immune response)
Metronomic Cyclophosphamide (CTX) depletes T-reg, activates an immune response.

Parthenolide - (extract of feverfew)
Sulforaphane - best source = 3 day old broccoli sprouts.

I will update this when i remember more.

There are other drugs but only researchers can get their hands on them for now.

When the immune system can 'see' them it will kill them all, this is the 'cure' we all want.

We are using VP-16, NDV, and soon metronomic CTX, stopped Metformin (not sure if it's good for brain tumours)
At the minute Im looking at low dose Naltrexone (again) I think it can help with the immune response, to me this is the key, I really want him to see a TCM practitioner... and eat more veg ;-)

Take care

coloCan
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demandcurestoday.org/colon_cancer_stem_cell_clinical_trial

manwithnoname
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"5FU, which eliminates proliferating CRC cells via apoptosis but also stimulates stemness, celecoxib preferentially deplete CD133+ colon cells and exert potent stemness inhibition via rapid tumor necrosis by perturbing hypoxia and energy metabolism via CA-IX"

Celecoxib I found seems to do good stuff in a HUGE range of cancers. We give it daily.

pog451
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In view of your accusing of others not reading the paper, perhaps you should read it. Nowhere does it say in that paper that chemo or cancer treatment is a scam. All they say is that in their meta-review, chemo seems to be (alone) responsible for a very small increment in overall survival and so they recommend assessing very closely whether cost /effectiveness is justified. I cant assess their data sources and dont know if they were looking at chemo alone, chemo as a way to surgery or what. If chemo worked really really well, noone would die. It doesnt, they do, big news.

Interesting that you pulled it of off a quack-cure site that states all over that their products are "peer-reviewed" but never actually quote a study to support that and yet tehy have good access to a study that doesnt quiet state that chemo doesnt work.

manwithnoname
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"Interesting that you pulled it of off a quack-cure site"

I have the original doc. on my hard drive, I looked online for a clickable link, THAT was the first one, there are others, and it's the content that is important NOT where the file is hosted. Obviously.

"I cant assess their data sources" why not? they are all listed in the references.

I find it REALLY interesting that any kind of 'cancer cure' ONLY 10 years away makes it to first page news, BUT anything that shows the system is flawed gets nothing. Not a peep.

"Conclusion: As the 5-year relative survival rate for cancer in Australia is now over 60%, it is clear that cytotoxic chemotherapy only makes a minor contribution to cancer survival"

Seems that is not news to some people, and funny that in over 8 years no one has challenged their findings...wonder why that is.

I said it was a scam, not the 3 oncologists, it's all there in black and white.

pog451
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Anecdotal spontaneous remission is a known occrrance in all cancers. it is, however, at best very very rare and impossible to study.

The fact is that "Rife machines" are based at best, on a misunderstanding of what their functional principles are (supposed to be) and at worst are a deliberate attempt to befuddle people with pseudoscience.

The theory is complete BS and comparing HIFU to a Rife machine is like claiming you could land on Mars with your 3-year-olds tricycle.

Its a scam. End of.

P.S. Gotta love the "rifemachines.com" website for redefining "Quackery" so that they arent ;-)

manwithnoname
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Until you have a look at what happened back in the 30's 'trial' you can't dismiss the possible placebo affect, or the possibility that his machine 'may' have worked.

http://rifevideos.com/dr_rife_and_cancer_a_realistic_view.html

Actually you can compare HIFU to Rife as both use frequency's to get a response, and I believe very few people actual understand the science that R.R.R PHD was talking about, the man was an exceptional thinker and his microscope was years ahead of it's time.
He certainly cannot be dismissed as a 'quack'

Lots of people/sites are regurgitating the same rubbish about Rife and his technique to make a buck, including lying about what he actually said, do a bit more digging.

Now you can read this; http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1756-9966-28-51.pdf I would love to hear your 'critique'

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annalexandria
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poor atlanticcanada had no idea what she was getting into with her question about diet and supplements, did she? Can we all just chill a bit and try to share our views without getting hostile? We are all...every, single last damn one of us...fighting the same beast. It's an ugly SOB, who (let's face it) gets the better of most of us, no matter what path we take. Debate is healthy, and we should definitely be discussing these issues, but can't we do it in a civil fashion? Imagine if we were all sitting together in a room (hopefully having a drink or two, those of us who still can), we would never talk to each other this way. At least, I hope we wouldn't. Peace and love to y'all~Ann Alexandria

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thxmiker
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I read several articles and a couple versions of Rife treatment.

As an engineer I would question many things about the treatment. I also agree that RF can kill cells. What I have a difficult time with is the targeting method of using the Hands and or feet as the antenna. Yes, that is what they are doing with the pads on the hands and feet.

The Rife machine is basically what we would call a RF Signal generator. There are several companies selling Signal Generators and instructions and calling that a Rife process. The instructions are vague and bazaar. There are several automatic Rife Machines, that change frequency and have timed intervals. The Antenna being the hands and/or feet would not target much. The hands and feet being of fixed size may possibly work as an antenna (Long shot on the possibility) but not at multiple frequencies, because they do not change size. (They could work as an even multiple 1/4, 1/2, 5/8, etc... of frequency but again that is only a couple of frequencies and every person would be different, and this is a small spectrum.) All of the instructions that I could find were using LF anf HF spectrums which would require antennas that are Miles long. (Yes, you read that correctly the antenna to be effective would be Miles long. These frequencies are used to contact Submarines in deep water, they trail a mile long wire, and communications are extremely slow.)

After reading for an evening, I would write Rife off as a little out there, and possibly harmful. VHF and UHF close proximity could be cooking cells. Keep away from the heart, brain, and eyes.

Best Always, mike

manwithnoname
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I was an engineer too, CNC, plastic molding tools. Frequencies were above my pay grade. ;-)

What do you make of this?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1756-9966-28-51.pdf

Seems very similar to what Rife proposed.

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thxmiker
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This to me seems like a Magnetic Transducer (Basically a Speaker which does not have a cone to push air.) that is attached to the wrists and then using the Patient's heart rhythm to adjust frequency of the transducer.

These ideas have merit, when they are targeted. This does not seem to have targeted the cells. I do not understand how a magnetic field on the wrists could target anything.

There are numerous studies on Magnetic fields negative effects to people living under High Power lines. Many can not sleep after a year or more of exposure. Most get back to normal when they move away. Most people are never affected by high power lines or there is no study showing wide spread harm. (I know I would never live over or under High power lines.)

I could always be incorrect, but I would put little faith after reading this article. It is like the Magnets in the sweat bands worn by most Pro Football and baseball players. Did having magnets in the sweatbands make them good players, or were they already good players whom now where magnets?

Best Always, mike

PS Same thought processes in engineering, just different studies. Don't ask me materials questions. lol

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geotina
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to our Board. You will get lots of differing opinions on here but hopefully they will assist you in making treatment decisions. Unfortunately, your daughter has Stage IV cancer, it has already gone to her liver. She is eligible for a liver resection surgery which gives her a good shot at long term remission. Whether to do chemo or not as a Stage iV is a decision only she can make. Recurrence in colon cancer is, unfortunately, quite high. Chemotherapy after liver resection may give her a very good shot at long term remission.

Whatever decision your daughter does decide on, it should be based on solid facts and research. If you choose chemotherapy make sure she has a good relationship with the oncologist, feels comfortable with him/her. If she choose no chemotherapy, the same thing would apply to whatever type of medical team she chooses. Please be cautious about on line stuff, anyone can create a slick website to sell you stuff. Again, base your treatment on solid research.

Some time ago someone came on going on and on about this place in Florida. I researched it. I found it to be a glorified spa. Sorry, but massages, specially prepared food, walks in the park simply do not cure cancer. Now, if you are a NED status (no evidence of disease) this stuff may help greatly so please be cautious about what you read. Unfortunately, there are many out there very willing to take your money saying they can cure your cancer.

If you do decide on no chemo, then John23 could be of great assistance to you.

Best Wishes - Tina

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