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imackie48
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Does anyone know how to get rid of the thrush in mouth, outside of getting the nyatan swish and swallow. Don't know if it's from the steroids or chemo.
Didn't get with 1st round of chemo
Irene

RoseyR
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Glutamine, a very inexpensive amino acid, is a powder that some alternative doctors recommend you use as follows:

Put a scoop in a glass of water and swish through your mouth for one minute a few tiimes a day. (No harm in swallowing a little, by the way, as glutamine is often prescribed in a glass of water, three times a day, to prevent neuropathy during treatment with taxol as well as to prevent damage to intestinal tract from chemo.)

Best,
Rosey

imackie48
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Today is not good for me, nausea, thrush, and terrible leg pain, I don't know how much ii can take. Day 3 for,shot, thats t not helping, sorry girls, but this stuff sucks... The doctor says the thrush is from the steroids, got the swish and swallow Nistain. All i can eat is my protein shake, hope I hold it down....

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longtermsurvivor
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cn be one of the most miserable parts of treatment. It certainly was for me, the stuff hurt bad enough I couldn't eat if I had wanted to. I also failed Nistatin, which simply means the yeast I picked up was resistant. If you don't get immediate response to the nystatin treatment, like within 24 hours feeling better, then get them to prescribe one of the oral agents, like diflucan. It isn't worth fooling around with this on top of everything else.

Pat

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CindyGSD
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Just letting you know I'm right there with you. Had major hip and leg pain yesterday and on top of it I was sick with a cold. Had a miserable night but today is a little better. Hopefully you will feel better in a day or two. It usually doesn't last too long.

Take care,
Cindy

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Ro10
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The magic mouthwash was for people who had sore mouths. It had Benadryl, mailbox, and xylocaine in it. You might ask about that. Sorry you are having such a hard time with your chemo and neupogen shots. Hope today is-a better day. In peace and caring.

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Tethys41
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Rosey,
Glutamine has been recommended to me during and after treatment by multiple integrative practitioners. Recent research, however, indicates that some cancers actually feed on it, preferring it to sugar. I've not heard an explanation from anyone other than my naturopath, who says the type of cancer that feeds on glutamine is found in people who carry the KRAS mutation. The KRAS mutation can be affiliated with many types of cancer. I do know that 25% percent of women with epithellial cancers carry the KRAS mutation.

RoseyR
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Will try to find this new research. (Don't know if my tumor ypically features the KRAS mutation, but will try to find out and if so, avoid glutamine next time around during chemo.)

Blaylock, a neurosurgeon, also recommends glutamine during the first few days of chemo with only one caveat, but not the one you cite. Will do further investigation.

And glutamine, I assume, is not to be confused with glutathione, which is allegedly good for us? (Isn't the former a precursor of the latter?)

Thanks so much for this tip.

Rosey

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carolenk
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It looks like cancer likes glutathione, too; and uses glutathione to protect itself against chemotherapy. Clever cancer, eh?

RoseyR
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Very interesting, as four books I've read by cancer researchers, whatever their disagreements, all urge high levels of glutathione for cancer patients, who usually have low levels in their bloodstream. They do NOT promote taking it as a supplement, but obtaining it through wise food choices (notably, raw fruits and vegetables and walnuts) and especially during chemo, by consuming whey protein, which supplies not only the precursors for high glutathione levels but lactoferrin, another substance that can allegedly lowering iron levels and lessen the likelihood of metastasis (Murray, Quilllen, Blaylock). Whereas glutamate gets mixed reviews, I've read nothing but exhortations to raise glutathione levels as supposedly our own cells make rich use of it but cancer cells are "suffocated" by it. The alpha-lipoic acid you take they cite as one of the richest precursors of glutathione.

I respect your posts, so am wondering where you read this information.

As for cancer's resilience and craftiness, couldn't agree more!

Thanks,
Rosey

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carolenk
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I agree about the benefits of glutathione for cancer survivors. I'm sure there is a time & place for boosting glutathione levels. I read about cancer using glutathione to become platinum resistant in the research paper The Role of Sulfur in Platinum Anticancer Chemotherapy. The full text is easy to find if you use the exact title to search online for it.

Being an ovarian cancer survivor, I am mainly focused on that kind of cancer. I know platinum chemotherapies (cisplatin, carboplatin & oxaliplatin) are used for many different kinds of cancer. And platinum resistance is BAD news.

There are significant differences between a cancer prevention program and a cancer treatment program. Once in treatment using chemotherapy, we want to maximize the benefit of the treatment while minimizing the collateral damage. What I don't know is the perfect timing for using the supplements that are chemoprotective.

I can understand why oncologists tell patients not to take anything herbal or over the counter while patients are undergoing chemotherapy. There are a lot of "unknowns" still out there.

Back to the subject of thrush, I was gonna suggest using the home remedy used when I was a kid: gentian violet. Now I see that some Australian research has linked gentian violet to oral cancer. I would use it for myself if I had thrush as the problem is gone in about three days. Gentian violet stains everything deep purple. It turns teeth purple temporarily. Ask the doctor or pharmacist about it.

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TiggersDoBounce
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So sorry you having such a wicked time this round :(

Sending thoughts and prayers your way that these bad days will pass....

Please rest and hang in!

Laurie

pakb56
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Just wondering how you are feeling.

Take care, be well!
Pat

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