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Cramps - Had Everything Removed - Is this Normal?

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bonniep
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NED for USPS, but waiting on Biopsy results of mass in my neck. I seem to have the feeling of 'menstral cramps' & pain in my lower back area. There's absolutely nothing in there so what could be causing this? They really hurt enough where I need to take something sometimes. They only seem to occur when I am in bed or sitting for a long time. Does anyone have them & if so what is it. I will be seeing my dr. this week, but I find it most helpful to be armed with information when I discuss things with him.

Michaelynn
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Joined: Apr 2010

I too am experiencing cramping just about the pelvic region. Sure feels like period cramps. I also had everything removed. I had this once or twice last year for about a week to ten days duration then it just went away. Now it is back again. I had a urine test to rule out bladder infection that was negative. I see my Doctor next week for my 3 month check up and will ask about it again. I know of at least one other lady on this board with the same problems. If you find out anything please let us know and I will do the same. I am Stage 1 grade 3. I have takes Tylenol and it helps but doesn't make it go away. I do find if I exercise about 30 minutes on my treadmill it stops hurting for awhile. I am wondering if it is bladder spasms or a swollen bladder. Or could it be phantom cramps like when people still feel their arms and legs once they have had them amputated. I also have the backache with the cramps and sometimes feel bloated when it happens but I am maintaining my weight and not gaining anything. keep me posted.

Michaelynn

gwynedd
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I've been feeling something like menstrual cramping, too. Like y'all, I have nothing left to cramp. I see my gyn/onc next week, and I'm going to ask her about it. I'm stage 1 grade 1 endometrial adenocarcinoma, and things seem to be looking good, but the cramping kind of bothers me. I'm going to keep checking back to see if anyone else has any input about this situation.

Gwen

janh_in_ontario
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Joined: Sep 2010

I have had an ultrasound which they say was normal. I have been having to have tylenol most days the pain is so bad - lately it has been on one side only.
My family doctor sent me for another ultrasound and this time it hurt really bad when they did it (trans-vaginal). It is the first time it really hurt - but I could have cried through the whole exam. Results next week - I will let you know if there is anything there - I am worried they left ovaries. My Mom had ovarian cancer so that would be a huge faux-pas - but I swear that is what it feels like.

Don't you just hate this stuff? Since I heard the "C" word in September 2010 my head is playing such horrible games on me! I think I am going crazy sometimes.

Cheers
Jan

janh_in_ontario
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I have had an ultrasound which they say was normal. I have been having to have tylenol most days the pain is so bad - lately it has been on one side only.
My family doctor sent me for another ultrasound and this time it hurt really bad when they did it (trans-vaginal). It is the first time it really hurt - but I could have cried through the whole exam. Results next week - I will let you know if there is anything there - I am worried they left ovaries. My Mom had ovarian cancer so that would be a huge faux-pas - but I swear that is what it feels like.

Don't you just hate this stuff? Since I heard the "C" word in September 2010 my head is playing such horrible games on me! I think I am going crazy sometimes.

Cheers
Jan

nempark
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Joined: Apr 2010

Surgery November 2009. MMMT 1a grade 3. Exactly the same pains. Pains under my breasts across the back under my belly and sometimes at the left side. Every day, especially when I am lying down. When I get up in the morning the pain is there, when I go to sleep the pain is there. I get some relief during the day when I am moving and running around. I recently had a cat scan and a chest xray. Clean Thank God. I had a total hyst and omentum. So what could be causing these horrible pains and making us crazy. Love to all of you. June

HellieC
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Joined: Nov 2010

I wonder if what you ladies are experiencing could be due to adhesions from the surgery? I, too, have pelvic pains which were checked out but scans were clear for cancer. Any sort of pelvic surgery, radiotherapy or even chemo can cause these adhesions to form. They are like thin bands (or sometimes sheets) of fibrous tissue which can form around organs or in cavities. My pain feels like my pelvis is "tight" in a vice or like the muscles/tendons just won't "give". It's OK when I wake up in the morning but gets progressively worse during the day. I take over the counter painkillers every day for it.
If your pain is crampy, it could be because the adhesions are forming around the bowel and it's stopping the bowel from being as mobile as it should be. Just a thought.
Kindest wishes
Helen

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bonniep
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I am so sorry to hear you are all going through the same thing, but in a way, I'm glad I'm not alone out there. I will definitely let you know if I find out anything and would appreciate the same. I also want to thank you for letting me spill my heart out about what I’m going through. Just knowing we are all dealing with the same things and experiencing this disease from all stages, gives me a place to go to share with others who truly do understand. Maybe I haven’t experienced everything you have, but my memory bank is filled with information you have provided. I am about to put some of that archived information to task since I got news yesterday my USPS has now recurred.
The biopsy I had last week shows my USPS has recurred (1st recurrence since I was DX in April, 2010 with USPC). I intend to really have a heart-to-heart with my GYN/ONC when I see him at my appointment. Of course we’ll concentrate on the current news of recurrence, but the cramps that have nothing to do with where my recurrence is, does back up why my Dr. needs to always listen to me if I tell him something is wrong. In November when I told him about my cramps and he said it is normal to feel cramping and many women do experience them. His only explanation was that pelvic radiation affects everything in that area and could cause scaring and adhesions like HellieC said. This could last for months and even years. But for me, at that time, my pelvic CT, Paps and internal exam were clear - no visible scaring or adhesions. In other words, I was still NED. I didn't pursue the cramping issue anymore, but have really been hurting a lot lately, especially in my lower right side. In the back of my mind I know my doctor was unable to remove one of the malignant lymph nodes way down in that area because it was intertwined with bone, veins and nerves and was way too dangerous to remove. He said chemo and specifically targeted radiation in my pelvic area and a special ‘boost’ to that area would kill the cancer. The fact that it does seem to be getting worse does concern me and we need to talk again.
This recurrence was found because I was concerned with pain in my left shoulder, arm and neck (looked like protrusion of my jugular vein) and I just wanted my GYN/ONC to know. I had already gone to my Primary Care Dr and had an X-ray and ultrasound which showed nothing. I was given a steroid shot, put on anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxers and told to come back in two weeks if I wasn’t better. Well I did feel better until all my medication ran out. My GYN/ONC said what I was going through was not typical for the normal progression of USPC he’d seen, because of all the pain I was having, but decided to see me. (My question to you or anyone who reads this – Is there some kind of ‘normal’ progression or any specific places USPS does or does not go?) I do give my Dr credit for agreeing to see me. Normally, he tells me to go to my Primary Care Physician for all things unrelated to USPC and he’s been right so far. That’s why I did go to the PCP 1st. My GYN/ONC pushed and prodded around my whole neck and shoulder area and couldn't feel anything, except the soft, squishy, visible swelling in my neck. (Inflammation but no swollen or hard lymph nodes, etc.). He sent me immediately, same day, in fact, for a Head/Neck and Lung CT scan to make sure there wasn't anything 'lurking around deep under there' (his words). The CT scan confirmed there were a 4 x 3.5 cm mass in the Supraclavicular region of my neck, a small 1 cm spot on each of my upper lung lobes & one very small spot in my brain (a place where he said USPC never recurs). To me the CT scan read like a death sentence because it said words like ‘probable’ or ‘likely’ or ‘potential’ metastases due to my history of cancer. My Dr. still was not convinced this was recurrence of USPC, but more concerned it could be another cancer. Until the biopsy results were in, he couldn’t determine the course of treatment to follow. This has been a long month – Needle biopsy, wait on results, inconclusive biopsy results, delays due to Christmas/New Year’s Holidays, wait on schedule for surgery to cut out a piece of the mass and biopsy, wait on results, again. Finally, yesterday, I got an ‘unofficial’ DX, as there are two more ‘Stains’ that are being studied. Unofficially, it is recurrence of USPC. I should know officially today. The good thing is that I haven’t had Chemo since Nov. 2010 and my last radiation treatment was Jan. 2011. My Dr. says since I haven’t had anything in over a year and that I did respond so well with Taxol/Carboplatin, I should respond well this time, too. Do any of you recurrence friends find this to be true?
My Dr. is awesome and so far everything he has explained to me has occurred exactly as he said it would, except this new recurrence. He told me to stay off of the internet because the studies/statistics, etc. are not always based on current data. The studies involve so many types of people of all ages, sizes, lifestyles, etc and people from all walks of life. So many studies do not take into account all the current, up to date advancement in medical research, treatments, drugs and technology. Yes, my Drs education, experience and knowledge makes him the best person to make decisions about me, but frankly, I'm the authority of my body and I know if there is something different or new or strange going on. I'm not a hypochondriac and tolerate symptoms and pain well, if I know what it is. I just don't tolerate not knowing very well. In my ‘unprofessional’ opinion, my Dr. is wonderful, smart, knowledgeable and extremely sensitive to my concerns and needs as his patient, but he hasn’t encountered every possible progression of USPC recurrence in history. For him to say USPC does not metastasis to the brain - is that a true fact or just based on HIS knowledge and experience that he’s never seen it? Just for the record, I would like to know if any of you are aware of USPC mastitis to the brain. I think I asked that already. Also, every woman is different. Maybe, my experience will be a new chapter to add to his book of UPSC recurrence experiences.
Anyway, ladies, I just feel very strongly about this. Information is powerful and we must rely on our bodies to tell us when something is not right. We must stand strong and be honest and unafraid to confide in our Drs what is going on, no matter how big or small. If our Drs blow us off or do not address our issues just because it’s something not in their books of case studies, maybe it’s time to find another Dr. My Dr. didn’t necessarily think what I was experiencing pertained to USPC, but acted anyway and I am so grateful he did because this ended up being far worse than just shoulder and arm pain. We don’t need to be at the mercy of our Drs because we lack the medical knowledge, training and experience they have. This is our life and our only chance to help control our destiny. God is the ultimate, Supreme Being over our lives, but He made our bodies and He gave us a brain with the intelligence to speak boldly and unashamedly about what we physically and emotionally feel.
Thanks again for letting me vent – boy do I feel better!

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bonniep
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I am so sorry to hear you are all going through the same thing, but in a way, I'm glad I'm not alone out there. I will definitely let you know if I find out anything and would appreciate the same. I also want to thank you for letting me spill my heart out about what I’m going through. Just knowing we are all dealing with the same things and experiencing this disease from all stages, gives me a place to go to share with others who truly do understand. Maybe I haven’t experienced everything you have, but my memory bank is filled with information you have provided. I am about to put some of that archived information to task since I got news yesterday my USPS has now recurred.
The biopsy I had last week shows my USPS has recurred (1st recurrence since I was DX in April, 2010 with USPC). I intend to really have a heart-to-heart with my GYN/ONC when I see him at my appointment. Of course we’ll concentrate on the current news of recurrence, but the cramps that have nothing to do with where my recurrence is, does back up why my Dr. needs to always listen to me if I tell him something is wrong. In November when I told him about my cramps and he said it is normal to feel cramping and many women do experience them. His only explanation was that pelvic radiation affects everything in that area and could cause scaring and adhesions like HellieC said. This could last for months and even years. But for me, at that time, my pelvic CT, Paps and internal exam were clear - no visible scaring or adhesions. In other words, I was still NED. I didn't pursue the cramping issue anymore, but have really been hurting a lot lately, especially in my lower right side. In the back of my mind I know my doctor was unable to remove one of the malignant lymph nodes way down in that area because it was intertwined with bone, veins and nerves and was way too dangerous to remove. He said chemo and specifically targeted radiation in my pelvic area and a special ‘boost’ to that area would kill the cancer. The fact that it does seem to be getting worse does concern me and we need to talk again.
This recurrence was found because I was concerned with pain in my left shoulder, arm and neck (looked like protrusion of my jugular vein) and I just wanted my GYN/ONC to know. I had already gone to my Primary Care Dr and had an X-ray and ultrasound which showed nothing. I was given a steroid shot, put on anti-inflammatory and muscle relaxers and told to come back in two weeks if I wasn’t better. Well I did feel better until all my medication ran out. My GYN/ONC said what I was going through was not typical for the normal progression of USPC he’d seen, because of all the pain I was having, but decided to see me. (My question to you or anyone who reads this – Is there some kind of ‘normal’ progression or any specific places USPS does or does not go?) I do give my Dr credit for agreeing to see me. Normally, he tells me to go to my Primary Care Physician for all things unrelated to USPC and he’s been right so far. That’s why I did go to the PCP 1st. My GYN/ONC pushed and prodded around my whole neck and shoulder area and couldn't feel anything, except the soft, squishy, visible swelling in my neck. (Inflammation but no swollen or hard lymph nodes, etc.). He sent me immediately, same day, in fact, for a Head/Neck and Lung CT scan to make sure there wasn't anything 'lurking around deep under there' (his words). The CT scan confirmed there were a 4 x 3.5 cm mass in the Supraclavicular region of my neck, a small 1 cm spot on each of my upper lung lobes & one very small spot in my brain (a place where he said USPC never recurs). To me the CT scan read like a death sentence because it said words like ‘probable’ or ‘likely’ or ‘potential’ metastases due to my history of cancer. My Dr. still was not convinced this was recurrence of USPC, but more concerned it could be another cancer. Until the biopsy results were in, he couldn’t determine the course of treatment to follow. This has been a long month – Needle biopsy, wait on results, inconclusive biopsy results, delays due to Christmas/New Year’s Holidays, wait on schedule for surgery to cut out a piece of the mass and biopsy, wait on results, again. Finally, yesterday, I got an ‘unofficial’ DX, as there are two more ‘Stains’ that are being studied. Unofficially, it is recurrence of USPC. I should know officially today. The good thing is that I haven’t had Chemo since Nov. 2010 and my last radiation treatment was Jan. 2011. My Dr. says since I haven’t had anything in over a year and that I did respond so well with Taxol/Carboplatin, I should respond well this time, too. Do any of you recurrence friends find this to be true?
My Dr. is awesome and so far everything he has explained to me has occurred exactly as he said it would, except this new recurrence. He told me to stay off of the internet because the studies/statistics, etc. are not always based on current data. The studies involve so many types of people of all ages, sizes, lifestyles, etc and people from all walks of life. So many studies do not take into account all the current, up to date advancement in medical research, treatments, drugs and technology. Yes, my Drs education, experience and knowledge makes him the best person to make decisions about me, but frankly, I'm the authority of my body and I know if there is something different or new or strange going on. I'm not a hypochondriac and tolerate symptoms and pain well, if I know what it is. I just don't tolerate not knowing very well. In my ‘unprofessional’ opinion, my Dr. is wonderful, smart, knowledgeable and extremely sensitive to my concerns and needs as his patient, but he hasn’t encountered every possible progression of USPC recurrence in history. For him to say USPC does not metastasis to the brain - is that a true fact or just based on HIS knowledge and experience that he’s never seen it? Just for the record, I would like to know if any of you are aware of USPC mastitis to the brain. I think I asked that already. Also, every woman is different. Maybe, my experience will be a new chapter to add to his book of UPSC recurrence experiences.
Anyway, ladies, I just feel very strongly about this. Information is powerful and we must rely on our bodies to tell us when something is not right. We must stand strong and be honest and unafraid to confide in our Drs what is going on, no matter how big or small. If our Drs blow us off or do not address our issues just because it’s something not in their books of case studies, maybe it’s time to find another Dr. My Dr. didn’t necessarily think what I was experiencing pertained to USPC, but acted anyway and I am so grateful he did because this ended up being far worse than just shoulder and arm pain. We don’t need to be at the mercy of our Drs because we lack the medical knowledge, training and experience they have. This is our life and our only chance to help control our destiny. God is the ultimate, Supreme Being over our lives, but He made our bodies and He gave us a brain with the intelligence to speak boldly and unashamedly about what we physically and emotionally feel.
Thanks again for letting me vent – boy do I feel better!

janh_in_ontario
Posts: 109
Joined: Sep 2010

I had an ultrasound last week due to pain on my left side. I had an ultrasound done in December at the hospital where I have been going to the Cancer clinic - it came back normal. This ultrasound, done in a local xray/ultrasound clinic shows 2 masses adjacent to the vaginal cuff.
I went to my regular gynecologist and he has sent a requisition for a colposcopy. Not sure what exactly that is - I have googled it (of course) and it looks similar to the biopsy / examination routine - with more detail. Has anyone had one? Did it hurt? My gyno says they might put me to sleep because I am large and it is difficult to see.
I am so tired of this... if I hadn't gone to my family doctor and insisted something is wrong - how long would it be before symptoms proceeded to get to the point where I am really sick? This "free" health care in Canada is not free -- you pay a very big price in expertise, care and wait times.
I basically held a gun to my drs head today and insisted on the CA125 test - I had to pay for it (again that great free health care system) but I just want to know what it is. I realize it might not be a good marker - but what if it is?

Any insight on recurrence and possible next steps would be most appreciated.
Jan

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Ro10
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You are right it is like a biopsy being done, they have a special lighted instrument to get the biopsy. I think it has like a microscope on it to biopsy the suspicious area. I had one done after I had an abnormal PAP. That lead to my hysterectomy, and then my diagnosis of UPSC. They said the colposcopy might pinch a little bit!!!. I think it hurt a lot, but not for long. Some people were told to take 2 Motrin before the procedure, to help with the discomfort. Some had some spotting and cramping after the procedure, but I did not have any afterwards. Good luck with your procedure. Sorry you are having troubles navigating your healthcare system. In peace and caring.

Michaelynn
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Joined: Apr 2010

Saw the oncologist today for my 3 month checkup and mentioned again about the cramps I had last week. Before last week I had them in June of last year so it has been 7 months apart for me.From my description he says they are adhesion's of the bowels which are like long spider webs that are caused by abdominal surgery. He said several things make them act up.
Eating too much food like over the holidays having to much gas or in fact anything that causes changes in the bowels that cause them to move about. Once your uterus is taken out the bowels tend to try to descend downward so if you have a lot of gas that causes the bowels to move around. Anyway he said to eat a lot of fruit and vegetables and the best thing to make these cramps go away is exercise as that stretches the adhesion's. They can be removed surgically he said but for every one you have removed 3-4 more will grow to take their place. So unless they bother you continuously and your in a lot of pain then they will just leave them alone.

Michaelynn

Ava 52
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Joined: Jan 2011

I have been having cramps since a motor bike crash in October 2011 I had uterine cancer aeodnocarcinoma in April 2010. had plevic ultra sound transvaginal all clear but like Michaelynn it feels like it has to do with the bowels when a gurgle it feels better. I just had my 6 month onc check up and all was good my oncologist said it could be phantom pain. I treat it with ketorolac my doc gave me and it works. My gp said she would do a ct but sometimes that causes more anxiety as benign things show up and give your more cause to worry. I am lost. All I want to do is pass gas

Ava 52
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Joined: Jan 2011

I have been having the same cramps as most of the postings here but had enough and yesterday had a ct of my abdomin. Results came back that they located three swollen lymph nodes indicating a reaccurance. But this is not realted to the crampy pains. So scared anyone got any words for me. Just waiting for test to go from emergency room to my cancer docs.

Ava 52
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Joined: Jan 2011

That sounds like me too

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