Large Harvard Study: One drink a day is too much

CypressCynthia
CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
I decided years ago to leave alcohol behind and have been pretty good about it. I currently drink about 4 drinks per year and feel guilty about that.

Why? Because there is no good news out there about alcohol and breast cancer. The link has been studied ad nauseum since the 1980's and it is real. I now treat my loss of alcohol in my life as part of my longterm treatment.

By the way, the very first question from my MD Anderson physician was, "How much do you drink a day?"

The connection is clear. Is that glass of wine worth your health? That is the question we have to ask ourselves.

And please don't shoot the messenger! I had to give it up too! ;-)

Harvard Study Supports Breast Cancer Link

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/study-supports-alcohol-breast-cancer-link-201111033747
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  • mollyz
    mollyz Member Posts: 756 Member
    I saw this too!!!
    I don't drink but, it was alarming to hear. Mollyz
  • LoveBabyJesus
    LoveBabyJesus Member Posts: 1,679 Member
    thanks for sharing....
    I never drink - I dislike the taste of alcohol, personally. Never smoked either. Lived a healthy life, yet....yup. But I agree with the article.
  • carkris
    carkris Member Posts: 4,553 Member

    thanks for sharing....
    I never drink - I dislike the taste of alcohol, personally. Never smoked either. Lived a healthy life, yet....yup. But I agree with the article.

    I might have two drinks a
    I might have two drinks a year, this year 3 to be exact. I didnt drink before or during diagnosis. so me that wasnt the cause. I think i would have been better off to exersize more regularly and keep my weight down. I am still having a chocolate martini in Hershey next year. LOL. thank you for your informative posts they are so helpful. OH YES I also take an aspirin a day. Partially because of the tamoxifen, and also because of the studies about prevent BC. I am also looking into an anti inflamatory diet.
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
    carkris said:

    I might have two drinks a
    I might have two drinks a year, this year 3 to be exact. I didnt drink before or during diagnosis. so me that wasnt the cause. I think i would have been better off to exersize more regularly and keep my weight down. I am still having a chocolate martini in Hershey next year. LOL. thank you for your informative posts they are so helpful. OH YES I also take an aspirin a day. Partially because of the tamoxifen, and also because of the studies about prevent BC. I am also looking into an anti inflamatory diet.

    I try really hard to add
    I try really hard to add anti-inflammatory foods to my diet too. Salmon, even though I am not crazy about it, is permanently on my diet now. We get the Alaskan wild caught from Whole Food. If anyone has a killer salmon recipe, I would appreciate it!
  • Double Whammy
    Double Whammy Member Posts: 2,832 Member

    I try really hard to add
    I try really hard to add anti-inflammatory foods to my diet too. Salmon, even though I am not crazy about it, is permanently on my diet now. We get the Alaskan wild caught from Whole Food. If anyone has a killer salmon recipe, I would appreciate it!

    Impressive/killer salmon recipe
    I love, love, love salmon.

    This one is sort of like Beef Wellington. Very impressive for guests, but there's absolutely nothing you can screw up. I also have a crab cake recipe that I substitute salmon for that's awsome.

    Enjoy.
    Suzanne (who's having a glass of red wine)

    Koulibiak of Salmon


    10 (6-inch) crepes
    2 1/2 pkg (10-oz. size) frozen patty shells, thawed.
    2 C cooked fluffy white rice
    Snipped fresh dill
    2 T chopped parsley
    1/2 lb. fresh mushrooms, washed and sliced lengthwise through stem
    2 T lemon juice
    1/4 C butter or regular margarine
    3/4 C chopped onion.
    Salt
    Pepper
    5 hard-cooked eggs, sliced 1/4 inch thick
    2 salmon steaks, poached (about 3/4 lb) (use more - 1 1/2 lb).
    1 egg yolk
    1/2 T flour
    1 C light cream
    1 C dairy sour cream.

    1. You may make the koulibiak the day before; refrigerate and bake the next day just before serving.
    2. Make crepes.
    3 eggs
    1 C unsifted all purpose flour
    1/8 t salt
    1 C milk
    2 T butter or margarine, melted.

    In medium bowl, beat eggs with fork until they are frothy.
    Add flour and salt, beating until smooth. Gradually beat in milk and 1/4 C water; continue beating until smooth. Refrigerate, covered, until ready to use - at least 30 minutes.
    Slowly heat an 8-inch skillet with sloping sides, or a crepe pan until a drop of water sizzles and rolls off. For each crepe, brush pan lightly with butter. Pour in about 1/3 C batter, rotating pan quickly to spread batter completely over the bottom of the skillet. Cook until lightly browned on bottom, about 30 seconds; turn and brown lightly on other side. Turn out onto serving plate (or keep warm in oven while making rest of crepes).
    3. Line a 15 1/2 by 10 1/2 inch jelly roll pan with double thickness of brown paper. A half hour before using, remove patty shells from freezer to soften slightly.
    4. Meanwhile, combine rice with 1/4 C dill and the parsley; toss lightly with fork to mix well. Toss mushrooms with lemon juice.
    5. In hot butter in small saucepan, sauté onion, stirring, until golden - 5 minutes. Remove 1/2 C and set aside for sauce. To rest of onion, add mushrooms and lemon juice; cook 2 minutes longer. Remove from heat; stir in 1 t salt and 1/4 t pepper.
    6. On lightly floured pastry cloth, overlap 12 patty shells, 3 rows of 4 each; flatten with rolling pin. Roll into rectangle 12 by 10 inches. Fold into thirds; roll again to make smooth, forming a 17-by-12-inch rectangle.
    7. Down the length of rectangle, place 5 crepes, overlapping, leaving a 1-inch border at both ends. Sprinkle the crepes with 1/2 t salt and 1/4 t pepper.
    8. Over crepes, spread half of rice mixture; then spread evenly with mushroom mixture. Next, layer with egg slices.
    9. Cook salmon, removing bones and skin; layer over eggs. Spread with the remaining rice mixture; arrange the remaining crepes over top, overlapping.
    10. Fold sides of pastry over the middle; press edges together to seal; then press ends to seal. Roll over on brown paper, sealed side down. Form into even shape, pressing with hands; tuck ends under.
    11. With fork, beat egg yolk with 1 T water. Brush surface with some of egg yolk. Make V-shape slits, 1/2 inch deep, at each end of loaf for steam vents.
    12. Roll remaining 3 patty shells into a 6-inch oval. Using a small, decorative cutter, cut out 3 leaf shapes about 2 1/2 by 2 inches. Coil 3 (6-inch) pastry strips, 1/2 inch wide for top. Place on loaf, as pictured. Brush with yolk mixture. Refrigerate 1 hour.
    13. Preheat oven to 425F. Bake 20 minutes. Reduce heat to 375F; bake 30 minutes longer, or until golden-brown. Let cool 10 minutes.
    14. While koulibiak bakes, make sauce: In small saucepan, combine reserved onion mixture with flour; mix well. Gradually stir in light cream; bring to boiling, stirring. Remove from heat; add 1 t salt, 1/4 t pepper, 3 T snipped dill and the sour cream; mix well. Simmer, stirring, 5 minutes, or until hot.
    15. To serve: With sharp knife, cut koulibiak crosswise into 1-inch slices. Serve with dill sauce.
    Makes 10 servings.
  • Kylez
    Kylez Member Posts: 3,761 Member
    carkris said:

    I might have two drinks a
    I might have two drinks a year, this year 3 to be exact. I didnt drink before or during diagnosis. so me that wasnt the cause. I think i would have been better off to exersize more regularly and keep my weight down. I am still having a chocolate martini in Hershey next year. LOL. thank you for your informative posts they are so helpful. OH YES I also take an aspirin a day. Partially because of the tamoxifen, and also because of the studies about prevent BC. I am also looking into an anti inflamatory diet.

    I drink red wine, not too
    I drink red wine, not too much, as it is good for my heart. So, it is kind of a double edged sword.


    Kylez
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
    Kylez said:

    I drink red wine, not too
    I drink red wine, not too much, as it is good for my heart. So, it is kind of a double edged sword.


    Kylez

    I have heart disease, but I
    I have heart disease, but I can find many other ways to treat my heart disease. If giving up alcohol keeps the beast away, it's worth it for me.
  • Kylez
    Kylez Member Posts: 3,761 Member

    I have heart disease, but I
    I have heart disease, but I can find many other ways to treat my heart disease. If giving up alcohol keeps the beast away, it's worth it for me.

    I don't have heart disease
    I don't have heart disease and I drink red wine and take a baby aspirin to keep it away. My doctor sees nothing wrong with that and even on the World news after this study came out, the doctor on CBS news said he still recommended a glass of wine for heart disease to his patients.
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    Impressive/killer salmon recipe
    I love, love, love salmon.

    This one is sort of like Beef Wellington. Very impressive for guests, but there's absolutely nothing you can screw up. I also have a crab cake recipe that I substitute salmon for that's awsome.

    Enjoy.
    Suzanne (who's having a glass of red wine)

    Koulibiak of Salmon


    10 (6-inch) crepes
    2 1/2 pkg (10-oz. size) frozen patty shells, thawed.
    2 C cooked fluffy white rice
    Snipped fresh dill
    2 T chopped parsley
    1/2 lb. fresh mushrooms, washed and sliced lengthwise through stem
    2 T lemon juice
    1/4 C butter or regular margarine
    3/4 C chopped onion.
    Salt
    Pepper
    5 hard-cooked eggs, sliced 1/4 inch thick
    2 salmon steaks, poached (about 3/4 lb) (use more - 1 1/2 lb).
    1 egg yolk
    1/2 T flour
    1 C light cream
    1 C dairy sour cream.

    1. You may make the koulibiak the day before; refrigerate and bake the next day just before serving.
    2. Make crepes.
    3 eggs
    1 C unsifted all purpose flour
    1/8 t salt
    1 C milk
    2 T butter or margarine, melted.

    In medium bowl, beat eggs with fork until they are frothy.
    Add flour and salt, beating until smooth. Gradually beat in milk and 1/4 C water; continue beating until smooth. Refrigerate, covered, until ready to use - at least 30 minutes.
    Slowly heat an 8-inch skillet with sloping sides, or a crepe pan until a drop of water sizzles and rolls off. For each crepe, brush pan lightly with butter. Pour in about 1/3 C batter, rotating pan quickly to spread batter completely over the bottom of the skillet. Cook until lightly browned on bottom, about 30 seconds; turn and brown lightly on other side. Turn out onto serving plate (or keep warm in oven while making rest of crepes).
    3. Line a 15 1/2 by 10 1/2 inch jelly roll pan with double thickness of brown paper. A half hour before using, remove patty shells from freezer to soften slightly.
    4. Meanwhile, combine rice with 1/4 C dill and the parsley; toss lightly with fork to mix well. Toss mushrooms with lemon juice.
    5. In hot butter in small saucepan, sauté onion, stirring, until golden - 5 minutes. Remove 1/2 C and set aside for sauce. To rest of onion, add mushrooms and lemon juice; cook 2 minutes longer. Remove from heat; stir in 1 t salt and 1/4 t pepper.
    6. On lightly floured pastry cloth, overlap 12 patty shells, 3 rows of 4 each; flatten with rolling pin. Roll into rectangle 12 by 10 inches. Fold into thirds; roll again to make smooth, forming a 17-by-12-inch rectangle.
    7. Down the length of rectangle, place 5 crepes, overlapping, leaving a 1-inch border at both ends. Sprinkle the crepes with 1/2 t salt and 1/4 t pepper.
    8. Over crepes, spread half of rice mixture; then spread evenly with mushroom mixture. Next, layer with egg slices.
    9. Cook salmon, removing bones and skin; layer over eggs. Spread with the remaining rice mixture; arrange the remaining crepes over top, overlapping.
    10. Fold sides of pastry over the middle; press edges together to seal; then press ends to seal. Roll over on brown paper, sealed side down. Form into even shape, pressing with hands; tuck ends under.
    11. With fork, beat egg yolk with 1 T water. Brush surface with some of egg yolk. Make V-shape slits, 1/2 inch deep, at each end of loaf for steam vents.
    12. Roll remaining 3 patty shells into a 6-inch oval. Using a small, decorative cutter, cut out 3 leaf shapes about 2 1/2 by 2 inches. Coil 3 (6-inch) pastry strips, 1/2 inch wide for top. Place on loaf, as pictured. Brush with yolk mixture. Refrigerate 1 hour.
    13. Preheat oven to 425F. Bake 20 minutes. Reduce heat to 375F; bake 30 minutes longer, or until golden-brown. Let cool 10 minutes.
    14. While koulibiak bakes, make sauce: In small saucepan, combine reserved onion mixture with flour; mix well. Gradually stir in light cream; bring to boiling, stirring. Remove from heat; add 1 t salt, 1/4 t pepper, 3 T snipped dill and the sour cream; mix well. Simmer, stirring, 5 minutes, or until hot.
    15. To serve: With sharp knife, cut koulibiak crosswise into 1-inch slices. Serve with dill sauce.
    Makes 10 servings.

    Thank you so much for this!
    Thank you so much for this! I will try it when I get back from Seattle. Bless you!
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member
    Kylez said:

    I don't have heart disease
    I don't have heart disease and I drink red wine and take a baby aspirin to keep it away. My doctor sees nothing wrong with that and even on the World news after this study came out, the doctor on CBS news said he still recommended a glass of wine for heart disease to his patients.

    For folks with breast
    For folks with breast cancer, the evidence is just overwhelming that alcohol increases your risk in general and greatly increases risk of recurrence. If you only have heart disease, then drink up. But if you have our history, it is not a good idea. The beast loves booze--even a little!

    Some more studies:

    "Over 70 studies to date
    Significant and direct relationship
    Premenopausaland postmenopausal
    7-9% increase in breast cancer risk for every 10 grams of alcohol (about ¾ of a drink of alcohol) consumed per day" http://www.cbcrp.org/symposium/previous/2005/presentations/Enger.pdf

    From the Journal of Clinical Oncology:
    http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/28/29/4410.short

    From the American Association for Clinical Research
    http://www.aacr.org/home/public--media/aacr-press-releases/press-releases-2009.aspx?d=1703
  • DianeBC
    DianeBC Member Posts: 3,881 Member

    For folks with breast
    For folks with breast cancer, the evidence is just overwhelming that alcohol increases your risk in general and greatly increases risk of recurrence. If you only have heart disease, then drink up. But if you have our history, it is not a good idea. The beast loves booze--even a little!

    Some more studies:

    "Over 70 studies to date
    Significant and direct relationship
    Premenopausaland postmenopausal
    7-9% increase in breast cancer risk for every 10 grams of alcohol (about ¾ of a drink of alcohol) consumed per day" http://www.cbcrp.org/symposium/previous/2005/presentations/Enger.pdf

    From the Journal of Clinical Oncology:
    http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/28/29/4410.short

    From the American Association for Clinical Research
    http://www.aacr.org/home/public--media/aacr-press-releases/press-releases-2009.aspx?d=1703

    I love a glass of wine
    I love a glass of wine occasionally. I choose to enjoy my life and not do give up what I enjoy. If I gave up everything that studies say will harm us, I wouldn't be eating or drinking anything.
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    For folks with breast
    For folks with breast cancer, the evidence is just overwhelming that alcohol increases your risk in general and greatly increases risk of recurrence. If you only have heart disease, then drink up. But if you have our history, it is not a good idea. The beast loves booze--even a little!

    Some more studies:

    "Over 70 studies to date
    Significant and direct relationship
    Premenopausaland postmenopausal
    7-9% increase in breast cancer risk for every 10 grams of alcohol (about ¾ of a drink of alcohol) consumed per day" http://www.cbcrp.org/symposium/previous/2005/presentations/Enger.pdf

    From the Journal of Clinical Oncology:
    http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/28/29/4410.short

    From the American Association for Clinical Research
    http://www.aacr.org/home/public--media/aacr-press-releases/press-releases-2009.aspx?d=1703

    P.S.
    Some theories why alcohol is so deadly when it comes to breast cancer:

    "So why does alcohol increase breast cancer risk?
    Several hypotheses:
    ↑Circulating estrogens or androgens in premenopausal& postmenopausal women, especially postmenopausal women taking HRT
    ↑Breast density
    ↓Efficacy of cancer-protective factors (e.g., carotenoids, folate)
    ↓Ability to detoxify harmful products of metabolism among people with certain genetic traits
    ↑Risk of late stage breast cancer, recurrence and death"
    http://www.cbcrp.org/symposium/previous/2005/presentations/Enger.pdf

    As I have said before, don't shoot the messenger. I don't like the evidence, but it is crystal clear.
  • DianeBC
    DianeBC Member Posts: 3,881 Member

    P.S.
    Some theories why alcohol is so deadly when it comes to breast cancer:

    "So why does alcohol increase breast cancer risk?
    Several hypotheses:
    ↑Circulating estrogens or androgens in premenopausal& postmenopausal women, especially postmenopausal women taking HRT
    ↑Breast density
    ↓Efficacy of cancer-protective factors (e.g., carotenoids, folate)
    ↓Ability to detoxify harmful products of metabolism among people with certain genetic traits
    ↑Risk of late stage breast cancer, recurrence and death"
    http://www.cbcrp.org/symposium/previous/2005/presentations/Enger.pdf

    As I have said before, don't shoot the messenger. I don't like the evidence, but it is crystal clear.

    It is great that you post
    It is great that you post this info for everyone Cynthia, but, I will still enjoy my wine irregardless of this study or any other. After all, it is my life, my choice.
  • Gabe N Abby Mom
    Gabe N Abby Mom Member Posts: 2,413
    I had a few 'experiences' in
    I had a few 'experiences' in college. Since then I have never been much of a drinker...mostly because I never really felt like I got the bang for my buck with alcohol. Now add to that the fact that my liver has had to process all that nasty chemo, I find it even harder to have a drink. I just don't see the benefit.

    And now I have yet another reason not to drink. Thanks for the great info CC!

    Hugs,

    Linda
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    I had a few 'experiences' in
    I had a few 'experiences' in college. Since then I have never been much of a drinker...mostly because I never really felt like I got the bang for my buck with alcohol. Now add to that the fact that my liver has had to process all that nasty chemo, I find it even harder to have a drink. I just don't see the benefit.

    And now I have yet another reason not to drink. Thanks for the great info CC!

    Hugs,

    Linda

    Sifting through multiple
    Sifting through multiple studies, it is beginning to appear as the alcohol risk is highest in those with hormonally dependent tumors (ER+ or PR+ or both) and/or women who are post-menopausal. I still stand by my advice that we should all avoid it, but it may turn out to be more valid with the postmenopausal, ER+ crowd. Stay tuned as more studies unfold.
  • mamolady
    mamolady Member Posts: 796 Member
    It's funny that all the
    It's funny that all the advise my sister got from her oncologist about how to avoid cancer since she has 2 sisters with cancer, I already followed before diagnosis.
    He said avoid red meat, exercise, don't drink, eat soy (not sure on this one now), I forget the rest of the list.
    But I did all that! We eat mostly organic, fewer processed foods. I walk alot. I have added salad almost everyday. I have varied fruits in an attempt to add color to my diet. I quit drinking alcohol almost 20 years ago for other reasons. And still I got BC.
    I will continue with my healthier lifestyle because I attribute that to my doing so well through chemo and surgery and rads but one does wonder.......

    Cindy
  • disneyfan2008
    disneyfan2008 Member Posts: 6,583 Member
    well I have never ever had a
    well I have never ever had a drink in my 52 yrs...not a sip or taste ever...NO family history, not junk food eater, do not smoke etc etc.etc..and BC (first in family..along with first with UC) I should play lotto...

    Denise
  • CypressCynthia
    CypressCynthia Member Posts: 4,014 Member

    well I have never ever had a
    well I have never ever had a drink in my 52 yrs...not a sip or taste ever...NO family history, not junk food eater, do not smoke etc etc.etc..and BC (first in family..along with first with UC) I should play lotto...

    Denise

    Please do not feel that only
    Please do not feel that only drinking contributes. There are many factors and, with my dismal family history, I am pretty sure I would have gotten cancer regardless. However, there is a real link and, because of it, I have made my choice. I was never a serious drinker, but I enjoyed having a drink socially. As Chen often says, we do what we have to do so we can do what we want to do. :-)
  • Ritzy
    Ritzy Member Posts: 4,381 Member

    Please do not feel that only
    Please do not feel that only drinking contributes. There are many factors and, with my dismal family history, I am pretty sure I would have gotten cancer regardless. However, there is a real link and, because of it, I have made my choice. I was never a serious drinker, but I enjoyed having a drink socially. As Chen often says, we do what we have to do so we can do what we want to do. :-)

    I love a cold beer on a hot
    I love a cold beer on a hot day and like a glass of wine a couple of times a week. I feel that even if I didn't drink, I would have gotten bc. There are so many other factors and so many other things that are bc related that I deserve a drink if I want one.

    I did read about the study and just wish they would find a cure..that's what is important!


    Sue :)
  • aisling8
    aisling8 Member Posts: 1,627 Member
    Ritzy said:

    I love a cold beer on a hot
    I love a cold beer on a hot day and like a glass of wine a couple of times a week. I feel that even if I didn't drink, I would have gotten bc. There are so many other factors and so many other things that are bc related that I deserve a drink if I want one.

    I did read about the study and just wish they would find a cure..that's what is important!


    Sue :)

    Thanks, CC
    There are so many different studies about this. I appreciate your posts on these topics -- it allows me to go straight to the link, read, and make decisions.

    Thanks!

    xoxo
    Victoria