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Calcium and an anti-cancer diet

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I wanted to report on the physical exam that I had today with my regular internist. This is the first time I have seen a "regular" doctor since being diagnosed with UPSC more than three years ago.

First, let me give a plug for the anti-cancer diet, the benefits of which seem to go far beyond helping to prevent a recurrence. My cholesterol, which had been high normal, is now amazing; and as of today, I have been taken off all of my blood pressure meds--and my blood pressure had been HIGH. All of my blood work was normal, even my vitamin D.

My doctor said I should continue to do what I have been doing, but she encouraged me to mane sure that I get 1500 mg. of calcium a day (from food; she is against vitamin therapy). Since I generally avoid cheese and milk, and only occasionally have yogurt, I am having a hard time figuring out how to get more calcium in my diet. She gave me a list of foods that includes vegetarian baked beans, raw broccoli, and dried figs, all of which I am willing to eat.

Does anyone know if kale is a good source of calcium and whether calcium is contained in all beans? What else do you all do to ensure that you are getting enough calcium?

Thanks for any advice.

Jill

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That's such wonderful news! You should pat yourself on the back and sit back and have an adult beverage.

I had my first PCP appt in March as hadn't been to a PCP doc in over 8 years. Mine was really good as well, but am fortunate to not have high blood pressure. I would like to ask what do you think attributed to it going down? My hubbie has high blood pressure and only diagnosed 2 years ago, but on meds. He just hates being on meds, and has changed his occupation which should help a lot of his stress load. Lastly he is eating more like myself -- fruits, vegies, fish, etc, but can't stay away from his candy and occasional beer. I keep telling him to watch it more and bet he can get off the meds.

Getting back to YOU.... I've listed below some high calcium foods. Do you take any supplements for calcium? I take 1200 in 4 tablets later in day, as know it works with vitamin D for absorption. My vit D as well, is very, very good. All of this will also help our bone density. My bone density pre-treatments showed thinning in upper hip joint and 2 years later after my new way of eating, and lots of weight-bearing exercises, it came back "normal".

FOODS HIGH IN CALCIUM ----

Sesame Seeds
A quarter cup of sesame seeds has 351 mg calcium.

Spinach
A cup of boiled spinach has 245 mg.

Collard Greens
A cup of boiled collard greens has 266 mg.

Blackstrap Molasses
One tablespoon has about 137 mg.

Kelp
One cup of raw kelp has 136 mg.

Tahini
Two tablespoons of raw tahini (sesame seed butter) have 126 mg.

Broccoli
Two cups of boiled broccoli have 124 mg.

Swiss Chard
One cup of boiled chard has 102 mg.

Kale
One cup of boiled kale has 94 mg.

Brazil Nuts
Two ounces of Brazil nuts (12 nuts) have 90 mg.

Celery
Two cups of raw celery have 81 mg.

Almonds
One ounce of almonds (23 nuts) has 75 mg.

Papaya
One medium papaya has 73 mg.

Flax Seeds
Two tablespoons of flax seeds have 52 mg.

Oranges
One medium orange has 52 mg.

As you can see, eating a varied diet rich in dark leafy greens, fruit, nuts, and seeds will give you plenty of calcium and you'll get so many other health benefits from these foods as well.

A few others I'd add =-=

SOY MILK
BLACK BEANS
TOFU
BRAZIL NUTS

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Congrats to both of you ladies. Jill, I'm glad your blood pressure has improved so much. What a testament to your healthy diet. Both of you are great role models for us.

I am so glad you said that your doc and you want to get the calcium from diet rather than supplements. I am personnally nervous about calcium because of the Tong Ren work I am doing. This Eastern energy medicine believes that medical problems including cancer are caused by calcifications that cause blockages in our system for our chi. The focus is on breaking up any blockages and keeping them open so chi and blood and nerves can function properly.

I do occasionally take multi-vit - but I try to get from my diet. I get my vit D from the sun but will take my oral meds when I think of it. I'm really bad about meds/supplements. I don't have to take any medicine so I forget the supplements. I stopped taking fosomax and have increased the weight-bearing exercise. I feel good. I will get my physical later this month and I will find out how everything is soon.

Take care friends. Mary Ann

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I noticed your mention about taking fosomax. My oncol OB suggested since I'm now in menopause and small, I've got a greater chance of bone loss. He wanted me to start this drug, but I'm just so against any meds. Told him to give me a year and I'll have my bone density better via vit D, calcium and lots of exercising mainly weight bearing. I did it!!! Prior chemo my DEXA showed thinning in hip and 2 years later "normal". It can be done as I'm an example.

FYI I don't take much in way of supplements just the major ones like antioxidant, vit C, Vit D. My nutritionist as well suggested getting most of our vitamins from our foods.

Let us know how our doc appt goes...thinking about you...
Jan

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Hi Jill,

I m thrilled about your health in general.
I just finished my chemo treatment on July 22, and had an appointment with my POP on Thursday and with my onco on Friday.
Because I have gone radical with my diet; all fruits and vegetables, little shrimp and fish every now an then, and no sugar, my doctor told me to take the calcium pills. He recommended me the same doses: 1500 mg per day.

I can see the difficulty you are facing in trying to consume all the 1500 mg from just food.

Please keep me posted, if you find anything high in calcium.

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for all of your supportive comments. I am very excited to have tangible results to show for all the changes I have made, and I hope to inspire more of the women here. To respond to some of your questions/comments:

--I attribute my much lower blood pressure to weight loss (I'm 25 pounds lighter than I was before diagnosis); diet, which includes NO processed food at all, very little added salt (I use spices--TURMERIC, PEPPER, and GINGER--instead), lots of beans (dried, not canned) and legumes, and a wide variety of fruits and vegetables. Although I have a bit of chicken and fish now and then, I have otherwise been almost exclusively vegan. Having lowered my cholesterol so dramatically, though, I am thinking of adding eggs and a cup of yogurt a day to my diet.

--I avoid sugar like the plague and make my own sweetener with pureed bananas.

--My doctor does not believe in supplements, nor is she in favor of medications unless they are absolutely necessary. She said something about how getting most of my calcium through supplementation is "dangerous," but I don't remember the reason she gave. Also, with regard to Vitamin D, she recommended 15 minutes of sunshine a day (without block). Her effort to keep me away from vitamins increases my need to vary my foods.

--Wow, Jazzy, I had not realized that I am probably getting enough calcium. THANK YOU so much for the list of calcium-rich foods, many of which I eat. I also read that dried figs are a good source.

--I have concerns about using blackstrap molasses. I want to stay away from all sugars, but there are so many health benefits associated with this stuff. Anyone have any opinions?

Good luck Mary Ann, Fayard, and Jazzy; and thank you for helping me feel really good about today's appointment. My six-month gyne-onc checkup in in September, and I pray that will be fine as well.

By the way, has anyone had a bone density test since completing chemo and brachytherapy? I have to schedule mine, as well as an eye exam. My vision seems to have deteriorated since chemo, but that could just be my age (will turn 60 in November).

Love and big hugs,

Jill

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Thanks for good information on how you were successful in lowering your BP..wonderful! Now if I could get hubbie to cut out the sweets and less rich foods, he'd be fine. Has lost some weight and still loosing.

I will tell you I've done lots of research on vit D and in the summer months it's so much easier to get our vit D,,,,,,but the winter and cold we're more hibernating inside, so less chance to get it. Need to be more watchful, therefore, some supplements are needed. You'll find the upper states show more inadequate vit D levels which are attributed to more disease. Now if I could only find those charts I'd post...have to look for them.....stay tuned!

This list I posted isn't exactly what I consume, as agree don't take molasses....sugary product none of us need.

I did have bone density prior chemo and had thinning in my hip area...after 2 years of vit D, calcium and exercise mainly weight bearing, my last DEXA showed "normal". It's possible but my husband who was the owner of many gyms kept telling me to do the weight bearing and it'll pay off. For once, he was right!!

Hang in there, you're doing great!!
Jan

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Such great news from your check up! You must feel very proud of your efforts and no doubt you Dr. is very pleased. She is probably saying..."why won't all of my patients make lifestyle changes to improve their health". Good job!!

It is a bit challenging to get 1500 mg Calcium with no dairy, but am suspecting with all of the green leafy veggies, etc. you eat, you are probably close. Just do a food log for a couple of days and see how it comes out. A source I use to look up nutritional content of food is: www.nutritionaldata.com You can quickly get the nutritional content of lots of food and you can put in the portion you want...lots of graphs on the nutritional values, inflammatory factors, etc. Find foods high or low in whatever nutrient you are looking for.

Keep up the good work!

Hugs, Karen

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I just logged on to my computer to do a search for just the type of website you recommended. It's a great idea to keep a food log; and the fact that I now have a source for not just nutritional values, but inflammatory factors as well, is a total godsend. Thank you!

Some of your recipes have become staples of my diet as well, so thank you again.

My plan now is to start weight-bearing exercises to strengthen my bones. Does anyone know how I can do these without having to join a gym? I carry my pooch up and down three flights of stairs about five times a day; does that count?

As for the benefit of lifestyle and dietary changes to improve our health, many of us on this board are doing just that; and I hope everyone is reaping the rewards. I think the most important changes I've made are to keep away from sugar, to have several portions of the turmeric/olive oil/pepper blend a day, to use ginger liberally, and to drink green tea with meals.

Am I being a nag to those who don't yet embrace these anticancer dietary approaches? I really believe that they work.

Love,

Jill

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In my mind, we only nag those we truly care about, so it is a form of true love.

Keep it up. There are times when a person may not be able to see the love through the nagging, but one must try. Just let any flack run off your back and know in your heart you are speaking only out of caring.

That's how I have been able to take all the lickings I've gotten and kept on ticking--I love, therefore I share what I think needs to be shared.

Sorta akin to being a parent.

Or some such thing.

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The website should have been: www.nutritiondata.self.com/

Sorry about the typo

Karen

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wonderful effort. Fantastic results.

Go Jilly. Go Jilly. Go Jilly.

Just pretend that was from Wendy.

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You crack me up. Thanks for your support, and you know that you always have mine.

My cousin still calls me Jilly Beans. Never grow up; that may be a potent anti-cancer approach.

Love ya.

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You're on a roll and should not consider yourself a nag. Really a person who knows what must be done, and does it...with results!!!!

I belong to a gym but in the summer/spring months do a lot of walking outside, which is weight-bearing exercise, plus yoga each morning for approx 30 minutes. You just have to be creative. Listed below some information which might be of help to you...give you a few ideas! Find one which is YOU and go with it, adding another one in as you get bored with first one. In my case, I do walking outside for 1 hour approx 5 days a week and other 2 days at gym or doing free weight in our basement. Hubbie owned gyms so we're heavily into lots of weights in our basement.

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You don't have to belong to a gym or own a home gym to improve your health and fitness. With a small area to work and common items found in your home, you can condition your cardiovascular system and build muscular strength and endurance without space-consuming equipment or expensive membership fees.

Difficulty:
Moderately Challenging

Instructions
Things You'll Need

* Athletic Shoes
* Cross-training Shoes
* Athletic Gear
* Dumbbells
* Jump Ropes
* General Fitness Videos
* Yoga Video

Cardiovascular Conditioning (Aerobic Exercise)
* Choose a favorite aerobic activity you can do outdoors. Examples may include walking, running, hiking, biking, inline skating, soccer or tennis.
* Rent or check out an exercise video. From kickboxing to step aerobics, there are numerous videos to choose from.
* Mow the lawn with a push mower, vacuum the carpet, shovel snow, or carry groceries or a filled laundry basket up a flight of stairs - these are ways to incorporate activity while checking off chores on your to-do list.
* Turn on your favorite music and dance.
* Organize a game of flag football, kickball, soccer or any group sport you enjoy.
* Jump rope for an inexpensive way to get cardiovascular exercise.
* Check your local park for a fitness trail with exercise stations placed along the path. The stations often have instructions on how to perform the exercises

Karen, thanks for the link as I think it'll be a great asset for me as well.

Jan

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I was not aware that walking was considered a weight-bearing exercise. That being the case, it should help to strengthen my bones, right?

When it's not so hot, I walk twice a week from my Brooklyn neighborhood to one that is seven miles away. I then find a great place to eat healthy food (there's a vegan restaurant that grows its own organic food; and it's delicious); and if I feel strong, I walk back. Lately, though, my walks are more like twice a month.

I can jump rope, and even have the required rope. Either I can get the little girl downstairs to do it with me outside, or I can pray that the woman who lives below me will not mind the noise.

Thanks for the tips.

Jill

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You bet you can walk for bone density increases!!! I used to run a lot but with pelvic radiation it just zapped my lower back causing pain in my sciatica nerve. So...I'm now walking and hitting lots of hills to make the heart rate go way up. Another thought how about bike riding??? My hubbie is big into this as he can't run either due to an artificial knee replacement from old foot ball injuries. I keep telling myself to get out and bike with him, but just haven't taken the plunge quite yet.

Jump rope...have to laugh!! You know kids are into that and you could make it a fun workout as well. The younger generation have so much energy and might be just what boosts you to get moving.

Tops on the list is really weights. As mentioned we have our own weight gym in our basement so it's so much easier for me. But...if you can't there are a lot of other options, depending on your desires.

Happy working out...
Jan

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...to strengthen my bones and make sure I get enough calcium. I went to the website Karen suggested, which I hope is called nutritiondata.self.com (the other site did not work), and will now increase my consumption of sesame seeds, spinach, almonds, dried figs, and oranges and lemons with their rind. Together with a cup of yogurt a day, I think I'll be fine and can stay away from supplementation.

Jan, could I buy some hand weights and some weights that I can wrap around my ankles and do some exercises at home with them?

Thanks for all the help.

Hugs,

Jill

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Hi Jill, yes you have the correct site..sorry about that! I do find it very helpful.

Yes, handweights are a good way to increase stress on the bones. If you haven't worked with hand weights much you might want to check out some sites on line or get a video at the library as there are some do's and don't with how you hold the weights in your hands and use your arms.

Holding weights while doing squats is another good one. Also, I use my exercise ball behind against a wall and do squats....MAKE SURE YOUR KNEES DO NOT GO OUT PAST YOUR TOES when you squat down or you can hurt your knees.

There are tons of references on line if you just google "exercises to prevent osteoporosis" or "weight bearing exercises"

By the way, I am thinking that Trixie doesn't weigh enough to count as weight bearing! :-)

Let's keep movin'

Hugs, Karen

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Jill,

I walk about 2 miles every day, which is not that much, but it is something. I need to increase it though. I bought some weights for my ankles to use when I am walking.

Another thing I plan on using is my Wii, when ever too hot or too cold. Wii has Yoga, walking, bicycling, tennis, ping pong, steppers, etc...

My favorite is the steppers, and I know I can use the weights with it. I do not do it too often because it helps to burn calories, which I do not need right now.

Buena suerte!

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From www.30bananasaday.com I download program called cronometer. You can put your intake there and it will count your fat/proteins/carbs/amino acids/lipid panel/vitamins and minerals. Even water and fiber.
From there I got info that if you are not using salt, your calcium request is somewhere in half. Why? We should asked Claudia, she can find answer for almost anything.(love you, dear)

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Hey, I am trying to have a life here.

You know, I was thinking about how our approaches have been to tackling this thing they call cancer, and I am pretty sure that you are out at the most extreme end of doing the absolute most one can possible do. While there are a number of us who are using a more natural approach, you are definitely the been there done that queen.

Gotta love your guts, you would do things I can only read about, but don't have what it takes to tackle.

Love and kisses,

Claudia

Not really the kisses part, but you know what i mean.

Increase your potasium. Cancer HATES potsium and then it drops dead.

You know I'm going to look into. I just can't not. (double negative)

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Thank you for this excellent information--and for the link to the cronometer, which I will use. I had read somewhere that the need for calcium was reduced if sodium intake is very low, and I am glad that you confirm that. Because I have had hypertension for the past eight years (I don't know if I can say that I no longer have it if I am no longer on medication), I've learned to cook without salt. I love that I was forced to learn about spices and can make soups, stews, and so forth taste even better than they would if they were seasoned only with salt.

xoxo,

Jill

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Salt, Calcium Excretion and Stones (dang it, i forgot to get the url)

"...Sodium intake has turned out to be important in creating excess urinary excretion of calcium. In a critical review "Dietary Salt, Urinary Calcium, and Kidney Stone Risk" the authors found stone formers may be more sensitive to salt intake than non-stone formers and that a reduced intake of salt may decrease the risk of kidney stone formation(4).

Additionally, high sodium intake has been associated with urinary calcium losses contributing to postmenopausal osteoporosis and bone loss, particularly for those with a low calcium intake. This study showed that sodium may also be responsible for the high urinary calcium seen in kidney stone patients. Sodium was as important, or more important, than dietary calcium in determining how much calcium was excreted in stone forming patients..."

Time spent on google -- 3 minutes to find articl, had to revise search words a few times.

Since I never knew this, thanks for the challenge. this information is very important.

Kisses my friend. That's blown in the air kisses.

For those of you interested in your calcium intake, please be sure to only use calcium citrate as a supplement. Calcium carbonate is what chalk is made of and just like chalk snaps, it can make bones stronger and denser, BUT more likely to snap too.

Another thing to consider when thinking of supplements, and dairy products, elehpants, horses, and rhinos DON'T drink milk. They get their calcium from grasses and such. Milk after infancy--not such a great idea.

Meat and soda also leach calcium out of your bones. It's the phosphorous I believe. I just woke up so that may not be right about the phosphorous but it is right about the meat and soda, both highly acidic foods.

Portabella mushrooms have in the neighborhood of 670 ?? of potasium. Have that and some swiss chard and life is good again. Ah? where was I going with this, oh yeah--potasium helps escort sodium out of the body and does it rather quickly. Also, remember that low potasium can signal higher cancer incidence. My potasium was in the 2's when I got my cancer. Also, low potasium will kill you outright long before the cancer gets you if it's low enough and I thin the low 2's might do it.

Here's that url http://www.calciuminfo.com/calciumquestions/kidneystones.aspx

Interestingly, after picking up the whole article and reading the conclusion, which said to use supplements for you calcium in addition to food, and suggesting calcium carbonate supplements, I notice that it was put up there by Glaxo Smith Kline. Bet they make calcium carbonate supplements. None the less the studies were most likely valid, they just had a vested interest in getting a reason to take their product out there, maybe, that's a big maybe as I didn't check to see if they made calcium carbonate supplements, I just jumped to a conclusion. anyone want to sue me????

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So, I did not remember why my doctor did not want me to take calcium supplements and urged me to get my calcium from food. After doing a Google search, I found these articles, which linked calcium supplements with a pretty significant risk of heart attacks and a lower risk of strokes. Some studies found that this risk was reduced when the calcium supplement included vitamin D, and postmenopausal women were at greatest risk; but I think I'm going to stick with my food sources of this vitamin. Also note that calcium in food is NOT a risk factor for heart attacks.

By the way, there are TONS of other studies that can be found through Google; and they all come to this conclusion.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/196310.php (Note: BMJ stands for British Medical Journal)

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/calcium-supplements/AN01928

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/07/29/us-calcium-heart-attack-idUSTRE66S6GU20100729

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with my not reliable source of internet I have to used you. I can explain lot of things, but in different languages and it takes lots of shaking my head to find correct english word.

Potassium is culprit, not enough is bad, but too much is bad too. With that
http://cronometer.com/download/ I can see how much I have. Excellent source are bananas. RDA is 4700mg. I can see any problems when it is even 6000mg. RDA for vitamin C is 60mg. I had some kind of cold yesterday and it took almost 15g to introduce diarrhea. And of course I'm fine today.

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This will give you some additional help on foods with calcium.

Happy eating!
Jan

http://www.godairyfree.org/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=34

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The charts and tips that all of you have shared have been so very helpful, and I can't thank you enough.

I think I will be able to get enough calcium without consuming too much dairy, and that pleases me. I've also been having so much fun with nutritiondata.self.com and the chronometer, which will both be indispensable to me in breaking down my meals into their nutritional components.

My obsession with food continues...

Love,

Jill

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Hello Jill!

Great news on your recent physical exam! I am sooo happy for you. Also, you have given me that extra boost to change our eating habits here. After reading your posts, Claudias, Karens, Linda's and others on this site, my family and I are putting together some type of menu that will help all of us.

It is going to be rough at first, but I know we can do it. My three sons are already on the path, it is just my husband and I that need to do most of the changes. We have to change habits that we were taught as children.

My main change is that we will be buying and cooking all of the food. Eliminate as much process foods as possible.

For your information, did you know that grocery stores (or a lot of them) are set up that if you shop along the outside of the store, that is the most healthiest part of the store. Most process foods are in the aisles in the middle. Fresh produce and dairy are on the outside walls.

I just got back from a family vacation so I feel rejuvenated! Love the new photo of you.

Kathy

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I am so happy that your family vacation was rejuvenating. Where did you go? Vacations are so important to our health.

Thank you for your kind words about my physical exam; I know that the results are a testament to the impact of food choices and exercise on our health.

I am thrilled that the discussions on this board have encouraged you and your family to make changes to your diet. For starters, eliminating processed food will greatly benefit all of you. Try to buy and cook fresh fruits and vegetables, as they are so much healthier than the canned and even frozen versions. If you focus on what's in season, you can also be a locavore, helping your community by buying and cooking what is produced at farms and orchards in the area.

You know that I and others are here to support you in your dietary changes. Remember, through these changes I got off blood pressure meds, lowered my cholesterol by at least 40 points, returned the one enlarged chamber of my heart to normal size, and am (oh, I hope, I hope, I hope) repelling any stray cancer cells. I am mentioning all of this not to brag but to say that I have proof that the diet I am on is working.

Love to you and to all of the women here. I can't thank you enough for all of your information and support.

Jill

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Hi Jill,

I was wanting to mention calcium for a while now and found this thread. Your work on your diet is impressive. Everytime someone posts of the positive things they do it plants a seed of motivation in the brain. Thanks for taking the time to share.

A woman I know IRL who is a breast cancer survivor told me her doctor told her to stop taking calcium suppliments and to get her calcium from food only. This is because of increased heart problems and also that its not improving bone loss as previously thought and may be making bone loss worse.

I read an artical in a local back to the earth, going green. all things alternative free paper last month. It was about calcium discussing if it was good or not so great? It mentioned Calcium leaves deposits and is responsible for a whole list of ailments from arthritis , stroke, to cancer. Lemon was suggested to disolve the extra calcium deposits.

I suffer occationally from Psuedo gout. I was diagnoised about eight years ago when I ended up in the ER I was in so much pain. Psuedo gout is from calcium crystals deposited in the joints rather than uric acid like Claudia has.

Hi Claudia .. ;-)

I get it in my ankles and in my toes . I belive its stress related as well from my notations.

15 years ago had a breast biopsy done and it ended up being a false positive. I was told it was calcium deposits.

Doctors told me there was nothing I could do about the gout.

I have thrown out my calcium tablets and am upping the leafy greens and adding lemons back to my diet.

{Thank you Claudia.}

Coffee leaches calcium so I'm working on that by gradually switching to all decaf first. Im 3/4 decafe to 1/4 regular right now. I ran into a friend yesterday at Whole Foods who told me she doesn't drink any coffee or tea . I asked . How do you do it? She said she takes a shower.

I asked. You take a shower everytime you want a cup of coffee????? Inquiring coffee addicts wanna know!

"No" she replied. "I take a shower when I get up in the morning."

I like your idea about mixing almond milk with regular milk. Thanks for the tip.

Thanks for all the calcium rich foods Jan.

Grace

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How do you know if you are taking too much calcium?
How do you know if it is in your joints?

I eat a lot of greens, fruits, and vegetables.
I am also taking calcium supplements.

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Thank you so much for that fantastic chart reference. Truly.

Most charts include veggies like spinach and kale as great sources of calcium, which leads people to include them in their salads and presume they are getting a good source of calcium, but unless they are cooked for long periods, one hour in the case of kale, their calcium stores are only slightly bioavailable. Which makes me swear at Sally Field every time she comes on and suggests women eat spinach to up their calcium intake along with whatever that pill is she is recommending.(edit-I see someone mentioned fosamax that was it I think)

this is what I am talking about in the chart. I noticed right away these weren't included, as I went looking for them.

· Spinach, Rhubarb, Beet Greens, and Swiss Chard are all very high in calcium. However, due to their very low absorption rates (approximately 5%), we have excluded them from our list.

For some reason I missed all this until now. I will go back and read all the other comments.

Jan, in regards to your husband's blood pressure. For many, the most important factor in blood pressure is sodium. Have your husband limit his sodium intake to under 400mg for a week or two and see if that doesn't lower the pressure. Best to have a bp monitor at home. If not, you will know it's lowered if he feels light headed upon standing after a few days of lowering sodium.

Your comments on your bone density becoming normal again have given me hope that I can fix mine too. Although there is something odd going on with me that no one seems concerned about. I think enlarged spleen and enlarged and fatty liver, plus low potassium, muscle weakness on one side only, and osteopenia, AND a CR-P of 9.8 that should be .1, would raise some alarms, but no doctor I have seen so far seems to give a hoot. even with diet corrections, I still have high LDL and low HDL.

That is my next challenge to figure out what is going on, now that I seem to have gotten the cancer to slow down appreciably.

I am going to challenge myself to fix these problems within six months. I'll have to keep on with the search for what is causing them, but I'll be vigilant in trying to correct my liver problems first to see if that doesn't help everything else too. Strangely, with a fatty liver one has to be very careful to NOT lower fat intake too much nor to try to lose weight quickly, which is all very frustrating. apparently, because the liver is already not functioning well, the added burden weight loss presents actually can make a fatty liver worse. Oh, joy.

Aren't we all just something else in our ability to help and support one another in this part of the longer journey of our lives.

Love you guys. You all make me smile and feel all warm and fuzzy.

Kisses and hugs,

Claudia

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kkstef
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Claudia,

Gosh I hate it when I type a message and hit Post….and it disappears! I need to do the “copy and paste” method so I am not trying to re-write my messages. So, will start over.

Claudia, I hate that you are not feeling tip-top! You have worked hard to get your cancer under control and now this other worrisome set of issues crop up. Doesn’t seem fair to me!

What I REALLY don’t like is the fact that your doctor doesn’t give a hoot! Now that is just NOT right! I don’t understand why your physician(s) are not paying attention to the fact that you have an enlarged liver and spleen, weakness on one side of your body, high cholesterol…etc! Have you been to an internist? Sometimes they are more inquisitive than a family practice doc. Remember when there were doctors who thrived on the challenge in putting the puzzle together? I am thinking they are a rare breed these days. Wish we could find one of those for you!

Your liver and cholesterol issues just don’t make sense when I think about your dietary pattern. You obviously don’t drink to excess nor do you consume a high carb diet which I had always thought were reasons for a fatty liver. Somethin’s not adding up!

I am putting my money on YOU! I suspect you will figure out the connection BEFORE your goal of 6 months….you are smarter than many physician’s. Do you think the weakness on one side is related to the stroke you had some months ago? Maybe that is unrelated to the liver/spleen issue.

Will ponder this whole thing….and in the meantime am sending you HUGE HUGS!!

You know I love ya!
Karen

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jazzy1
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Thanks for insight for high BP. When hubbie was diagnosed "officially" and put on meds, doc told him to purchase a "home" BP machine. Found out te ones in our local grocery and drug stores aren't accurate...dah? Yes he does watch the sodium, or should I say I watch it as make most of his meals. Always challenging isn't it?

Sorry to hear about your other health issues. This is an area I have no insight on, therefore, can't comment or give advice. I've heard so many horror stories about people and doctors which aren't up to par. How unfair can that be???

You've got a wonderful attitude and know as with cancer, gain more insight on your health issues at hand. You're not one to sit and waddle in your own self-pitty. Best advice anyone gave me when I had issues with a doctor who wasn't good ----- GO FIND A NEW ONE!! Worked for me.

Hugs,
Jan

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Claudia,

Had no idea (beyond your fatty liver, a concern in itself) that you were having any of the following problems: a small stroke in February, an enlarged spleen, and CRP that's too high.

Have you seen an integrative doctor rather than just an internist, I wonder?

The high CRP more often signals potential cardiovascular problems, according to Keith Block, than a cancer recurrence, if that's any reassurance to you. But of course we'd all like to keep our inflammation levels as low as possible.

I wonder if it's possible that your diet has been TOO alkaline ... do you ever drink coffee or have a glass of wine? I assume you eat no meat or dairy--am I right about that?

Try to fill me in on your concerns. What was said about your mini-stroke in February? Is it possible to find a good integrative doctor where you are?

Love,
Rosey

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thanks. My doctors have been a real disappointment, except for one woman that I just loved, but she moved and what's left is less than stellar. I think I mentioned the time I needed an antibiotic for an infection in the soft tissue and bone in my jaw, and the doc refused that but instead made an appointment for three weeks down the road, with a neurologist, said I had shingles, the pain was keeping me up at night, didn't have any of the symptoms of shingles, but she was sure that was the issue. Say what. I cancelled with them and went to the ER where he gave me an antibiotic, some pain meds and scolded me for not going to a doctor. I had a dentist appointment but it was for six weeks in the future. Beggars can't be choosers so they have to figure things out on their own.

The problems I still have, showed up on the first PET/CT. At that point I was relying entirely on doctors for my care and had no idea of how to treat myself. I had never heard of non alcoholic fatty liver disease. I had that year when brown rice was my friend to a huge extent and I was unable to exercise due to a foot issue, couldn't barely walk. I think that is when all my trouble began. Up to that point I had been very healthy for the most part. also moving from California to the upper peninsula where the weather is sucky much of the year was very different from being able to get out and exercise, go for bike rides and long hikes in the sonoma country side. I still hate it here. Feel like I'm mostly dead, just no one has come to bury me yet. Boy, sorry, didn't realize I was in such a pitiful mood. Think I'll go make some Chamomile tea and get a grip.

Love ya,

claudia

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Kaleena
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My dear Claudia:

Sorry you are feeling so down! Don't let those doctors get you in that mood. Believe me I know how they can! Some of these doctors need to listem more to their patients. They see many many patients on a daily basis and then just assumes or just puts all patients in the same category.

Sonoma is beautiful country, but don't let the move get you down either! Here in the northeastern part of the US it is rainy and windy today.

You have so much information and do so much research for everyone. It is much appreciated even if it is not mentioned.

Sending you smiles and hugs!

Kathy

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Would that I could in re to getting a new doc. Small town, limited options, tried 'em all. No go. Got from bad to worse. Will look for new doc when I move.

Re the blood pressure monitor. Here is something I found out by trial.

Found that often my bp at home was rather low, then at the docs it was high enough to prescribe meds and my temp was higher than at home.

Here is what I did. I took my bp at home normal. Took my bp monitor with me to the docs. Took bp in waiting area, normal. Went in to see doc. He took it. Way high. Made me think. Took out my bp monitor had him use mine. Mine was the same reading as his. Mine was not broken or faulty. I had severe "white coat syndrome".

So, if you haven't already, Please follow the above steps to make certain it is not the bp reader, but a reaction your hubby has to docs.

I am using an OMRON HEM -780. It stores bp for two people, measures and stores pulse and makes a note if your heart rate is skippy.

Best with trying this method.

I have had mine for over four years and have never had a problem with it, with the at home record, I can show that my pressure is usually just fine, but doc's amp me up.

I prepared so well for my surgery, that the morning of the surgery, when they took my pressure, no meds for a year or so, it was 121/72. Boy was I prepared. Not prepared for the outcome, but prepared for the surgery. Go me.

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You ask good questions. Not real sure how they test . When they tested me In the ER they drew out fuild form my ankle in part because they thought it might be an infection. They put me on an antibiotic drip even. Then they came in and said we found the calcium crystals you have puedo gout theres no cure.

A few years after that I developed redness in my left pinki finger first joint, Doc just does a visual and says you have arthritis . Nothing we can do and offered to do no tests. It finally calmed down but my joint is disfigured . Then it happened in my index finger and really left a big bump. I even wrapped it in comfrey leaf poltices at night. I don't know if it helped .

Makes you feel so powerless when all they offer is anti-inflamitories for the pain.

I wonder what Madcoast went through for her month long Bio detox she mentioned in The MMMT thread. I think there is more I could be doing for my inflamation than I am . But like getting to the gym Im resitant to giving up a few foods right now But asking for the willingness to change.

Claudia ,
Did you have a stroke? I made an appointment with a trainer for Saturday morning At my gym. Almost cried after wards. I have belonged to a gym and have only used the shower and sauna for well over five years now.I have not even done that sinse this past spring. I used to work out five days a week once upon a time. I have stopped ALL sports even walking for a year now . I'm am an official couch potato and not fond of it. Its very difficult to get back into it.

I find the older I get the harder it is to be in a crowded gym. Rememeber all that cycling we have done? I was an everyday cyclist . It's been 16 years since I have cycled. It just feels so strange now moving closer to 60.

Grace

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I was admitted to the hospital in February of this year due to signs of a stroke, severe nausea, lightheadedness, dizziness, vomiting and I couldn't stop crying. They did two CT's and found an old black/dark mass in the left frontal lobe, but couldn't determine when it had occurred. So yes, but not in an area that would normally affect muscles.

So, here's something I bet you would never hear me say, but if you have an excess of calcium, and we all know that acidic foods as they get buffered by the body use calcium's alkaline ph to buffer the acid, do you think that eating a slightly less alkaline more acidic diet could get rid of some of the excess calcium? I'm just thinking here. How would you find out if it would be more likely to take the calcium from your bones, teeth, or those calcium crystals in your joints.

I love bike riding more than any other exercise. Where do you live again? Email me okay? We'll chat a bit. I'll give you my phone and we can talk again. I have a different number.

Love to you, we'll get through this,

claudia

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