i like milk thistle great crc, fix liver and now anticancer. more evidence.

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pete43lost_at_sea
pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
i have been taking this for a year to protect my liver, now i just find out it fights crc tumours. how good is that.

hugs,
pete

http://www.naturalnews.com/023997_liver_milk_silymarin.html

Supplementing with milk thistle has a long history among Europeans who have used it to protect their livers from the effects of alcohol and environmental pollution. It is approved by the German Commission E Monographs to treat alcoholic cirrhosis, chronic hepatitis, drug and alcohol induced liver damage, and other diseases such as acute viral hepatitis.

The milk thistle ingredient that most people believe to be responsible for its medicinal properties is the flavonoid complex called silymarin. Silymarin is found in the fruit of the milk thistle plant. Silymarin from milk thistle is also an extremely effective antioxidant, fighting the destructive processes of oxidation in the body. Studies suggest that silymarin can prevent free radicals from damaging liver cells.

Silymarin is also an active agent against cancer. Recent investigations and molecular studies have established the cancer chemopreventive role of silymarin in both in vivo and in vitro models.

According to a study published in the May 8, 2008 edition of Cancer Letter, silymarin modulates imbalance between cell survival and apoptosis. Apoptosis is the programmed death of cells. When cells do not die as programmed there is risk of tumor formation. Silymarin carries out its role by interfering with the expression of cell cycle regulators and proteins involved in apoptosis. In addition, silymarin shows anti-inflammatory as well as anti-metastatic activity. Further, the protective effects of silymarin and its major active constituent, silibinin, studied in various tissues, suggest a clinical application in cancer patients as an adjunct to established therapies, to prevent or reduce chemotherapy as well radiotherapy induced toxicity.

A study from the European Journal of Cancer, April, 2008 found that silibinin possesses cancer chemopreventive properties in rodent models of carcinogenesis. Researchers tested the hypothesis that silibinin, or silibinin formulated with phospholipids would delay tumor formation in mice with genetic models of prostate or intestinal malignancies respectively. Intervention with silibinin formulated with phospholipids reduced the size of well differentiated adenocarcinomas by 31%. Silibinin and silibinin formulated with phospholipids decreased the incidence of poorly differentiated carcinomas by 61% compared to mice on control diets. The silibinin formulation decreased plasma levels of insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-1 by 36%.

Another study, from the March 15, 2008 Journal of Cancer Research investigated in vivo efficacy and associated biomarkers and mechanism of silibinin against human colorectal carcinoma xenograft growth. Mice implanted with the growth and treated with silibinin, showed tumor growth inhibition of 48% compared to controls. A combination of silibinin and phytosome resulted in decreased proliferation by 40%, increased apoptotic index by nearly double, and reduced micro-vessel density by 36% compared to controls.

How milk thistle works

Milk thistle, provides protection to liver cells by stabilizing and guarding the cell membranes. It alters the structure of the outer cell membrane so as to prevent the penetration of liver toxins into the interior cell. By reducing the rate at which the liver absorbs harmful substances, toxins are excreted through the kidneys before they are able to damage the liver. A dramatic example of this is the ability of milk thistle to block poisons from the deathcap mushroom, a notorious liver toxin.

In a study, physicians rated the results after a group of 49 patients with deathcap mushroom poisoning were given injections of silibinin (20 mg/kg daily). All of the treated patients survived, even though they were treated from 24 to 36 hours after their poisoning, when liver and kidney damage had already occurred. The usual death rate from deathcap poisoning is 30 to 40 percent of patients. In a similar manner, Milk thistle detoxifies chemicals that enter our bodies from environmental sources, alcohol consumption, heavy metals, medical treatments such as chemotherapy and radiation, and drugs.

Silymarin exerts its powerful antioxidant properties by combining and neutralizing harmful free radicals resulting from metabolic processes and from the process of detoxification. Silymarin also helps increase levels of glutathione and superoxide dismutase (SOD), two antioxidants made naturally in the body. Silymarin may increase the content of glutathione in the liver and intestines by as much as 50 percent. It also increases the activity of SOD in red and white blood cells. In the stomach and intestines, silymarin has a role in the treatment of inflammatory conditions such as colitis and ulcers.

Milk thistle helps repair damaged cells and generate new ones when needed. It accomplishes this by stimulating vital protein synthesis through the enzyme RNA polymerase I. Silibinin may be the agent of this process, functioning by imitating a steroid hormone. In a study, silybin increased protein synthesis by up to 25 to 30 percent compared to controls. This is important since protein is a basic building block of cell walls, cell structures, and the creation of enzymes vital to body processes. This ability of Milk thistle to promote regeneration is why it is a chosen treatment for chronic hepatitis, cirrhosis, and fatty liver.

Milk thistle for kidney disease, diabetes, and skin health

In the kidneys, silymarin concentrates in the cells to aid in repair and regeneration by increasing protein and nucleic acid synthesis by as much as 25 to 30 percent. It has been tested in animals for its ability to protect kidneys from damage due to drugs. Results of this research were promising for people taking chemotherapy.


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  • janie1
    janie1 Member Posts: 753 Member
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    Pete, if you don't mind, did
    Pete, if you don't mind, did you take the milk thistle on the chemo days, or did you take a break on the actual chemo days. I took milk thistle for about 4 years. My cancer had probably already began by then (wondering if it was helping it spread less fast...will never know). Anyway, I haven't seen anything negative about it. Hope to start it up again, that's why i'm asking it if you took it on the chemo days....i probably will not, but just curious what you did. Also, did your liver enzymes get way out of wack while on the chemo??? I was wondering what parameters doctors use on evaluating liver enzymes. I do see where your most recent blood results are very good.
  • Healing4ever
    Healing4ever Member Posts: 9
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    Great information about the
    Great information about the milk thistle. How much did you take per day? I would like to try it out.
    I've started my chemo this week and fortunately it went really well.
    By the way, have you finished your chemo and if yes have you been scuba diving again?
    I'm/was a passionate scuba diver and hope to do it after my treatment again.

    Sylvia
  • PGLGreg
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    Here's an article from 2009 on milk thistle, giving info about doses, cautions, interactions:
    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/milk-thistle-000266.htm

    --Greg
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    Great information about the
    Great information about the milk thistle. How much did you take per day? I would like to try it out.
    I've started my chemo this week and fortunately it went really well.
    By the way, have you finished your chemo and if yes have you been scuba diving again?
    I'm/was a passionate scuba diver and hope to do it after my treatment again.

    Sylvia

    i should be able to dive soon.
    hi sylvia,

    i also love scuba and cannot wait. off to fiji in 10 days, going to diving resort.
    i took 17,000mg mornings off chemo, nothing on chemo. see early reply.
    i checked with onc, she was not keen but went i did it anyway. so check with your naturopath or gp or onc.


    hugs,
    pete
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    PGLGreg said:

    Here's an article from 2009 on milk thistle, giving info about doses, cautions, interactions:
    http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/milk-thistle-000266.htm

    --Greg

    thanks greg
    interactions well described, the dose seems low.

    hugs,
    pete
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
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    thanks
    are you a milk thistle girl ?

    hugs,
    pete

    17,000mg
    WOW! I have been taking 200 mg for about 2 years. You take a lot Pete. What is the recommended dose?


    OH............

    Adult

    If you think you have a liver problem, you should see a doctor. Liver disease can be life threatening.

    Recommended dose: 280 - 450 mg per day in divided doses or silymarin-phosphatidylcholine complex 100 - 200 mg two times per day.

    Precautions:

    The use of herbs is a time-honored approach to strengthening the body and treating disease. Herbs, however, can trigger side effects and can interact with other herbs, supplements, or medications. For these reasons, herbs should be taken with care, under the supervision of a health care practitioner.

    Milk thistle is generally regarded as safe. Side effects are usually mild and may involve stomach upset and diarrhea. Some people may get a rash from touching milk thistle plants.

    Milk thistle should not be used by pregnant or breastfeeding women.

    People with a history of hormone-related cancers, including breast and uterine cancer and prostate cancer, should not take milk thistle.
    Possible Interactions:

    If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use milk thistle without first talking to your healthcare provider.

    Antipsychotics -- includes butyrophenones (such as haloperidol) and phenothiazines (such as chlorpromazine, fluphenazine, and promethazine)
    Phenytoin(Dilantin) -- a medication used for seizures
    Halothane -- a medication used during general anesthesia

    Milk thistle may interfere with the following medications, because both milk thistle and these medications are broken down by the same liver enzymes:

    Allergy drugs -- such as fexofenadine (Allegra)
    Drugs for high cholesterol -- including statins such as lovastatin (Mevacor, Altocor)
    Anti-anxiety drugs -- including alprazolam (Xanax), diazepam (Valium), and lorazepam (Ativan)
    Antiplatelet and anticoagulant drugs (blood thinners) -- including clopidogrel (Plavix) and warfarin (Coumadin)
    Some cancer drugs
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    janie1 said:

    Pete, if you don't mind, did
    Pete, if you don't mind, did you take the milk thistle on the chemo days, or did you take a break on the actual chemo days. I took milk thistle for about 4 years. My cancer had probably already began by then (wondering if it was helping it spread less fast...will never know). Anyway, I haven't seen anything negative about it. Hope to start it up again, that's why i'm asking it if you took it on the chemo days....i probably will not, but just curious what you did. Also, did your liver enzymes get way out of wack while on the chemo??? I was wondering what parameters doctors use on evaluating liver enzymes. I do see where your most recent blood results are very good.

    did not take it on chemo days
    now i finished 6 months folfox 17th april. since then 17000 plus morning and half nights daily. active ingredient 194 mg silybin and heaps of others.

    liver enzymes went high towards end of chemo and the first month after. now after milk thistle and samE they are almost normal again.

    hugs,
    pete
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    Nana b said:

    17,000mg
    WOW! I have been taking 200 mg for about 2 years. You take a lot Pete. What is the recommended dose?


    OH............

    Adult

    If you think you have a liver problem, you should see a doctor. Liver disease can be life threatening.

    Recommended dose: 280 - 450 mg per day in divided doses or silymarin-phosphatidylcholine complex 100 - 200 mg two times per day.

    Precautions:

    The use of herbs is a time-honored approach to strengthening the body and treating disease. Herbs, however, can trigger side effects and can interact with other herbs, supplements, or medications. For these reasons, herbs should be taken with care, under the supervision of a health care practitioner.

    Milk thistle is generally regarded as safe. Side effects are usually mild and may involve stomach upset and diarrhea. Some people may get a rash from touching milk thistle plants.

    Milk thistle should not be used by pregnant or breastfeeding women.

    People with a history of hormone-related cancers, including breast and uterine cancer and prostate cancer, should not take milk thistle.
    Possible Interactions:

    If you are currently being treated with any of the following medications, you should not use milk thistle without first talking to your healthcare provider.

    Antipsychotics -- includes butyrophenones (such as haloperidol) and phenothiazines (such as chlorpromazine, fluphenazine, and promethazine)
    Phenytoin(Dilantin) -- a medication used for seizures
    Halothane -- a medication used during general anesthesia

    Milk thistle may interfere with the following medications, because both milk thistle and these medications are broken down by the same liver enzymes:

    Allergy drugs -- such as fexofenadine (Allegra)
    Drugs for high cholesterol -- including statins such as lovastatin (Mevacor, Altocor)
    Anti-anxiety drugs -- including alprazolam (Xanax), diazepam (Valium), and lorazepam (Ativan)
    Antiplatelet and anticoagulant drugs (blood thinners) -- including clopidogrel (Plavix) and warfarin (Coumadin)
    Some cancer drugs

    the difference is 17000mg milk thistle fruit not active ingredie
    good question, thanks

    hugs,
    pete

    it turns out i have 194mg silybin from 17000mg milk thistle fruit.

    from http://health.nutralife.co.nz/Product.aspx?id=51

    Milk Thistle 17,000 Complex is a specially formulated liver tonic formula which may also assist in the treatment of mild digestive disorders.

    Pack size: 60 capsules
    120 capsules - AUSTRALIA ONLY

    Beneficial for

    •Individuals requiring liver support
    •Antioxidant protection against harmful environmental pollutants
    •Healthy digestion, especially of fatty food
    •Supporting healthy cholesterol levels
    •Healthy detoxification

    Key and unique features

    •Provides 17,000mg of Milk Thistle to support healthy liver function
    •Supports healthy detoxification processes
    •Powerful antioxidant formula to protect liver and digestive health
    •Protects against free radical damage associated with environmental pollutants


    Ingredients
    Each capsule contains:
    Standardised Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry
    Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit 17g
    Equiv. Silybin 194mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry

    Cynara scolymus (GLOBE ARTICHOKE) Leaf 600mg

    Taraxacum offi cinale (DANDELION) Root 200mg

    Arctium lappa (BURDOCK) Root 200mg

    Schizandra chinensis (SCHIZANDRA) Fruit 200mg

    Co Factor;

    Taurine 200mg

    Formulated without: Starch, gluten, yeast, salt or artificial colours or flavours.

    Dosage

    Adults only: Take 1 - 2 capsules daily with a full glass of water as a liver tonic, or as directed by a healthcare professional. Always read the label. Use strictly as directed. If symptoms persist, consult your healthcare professional.
  • westie66
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    the difference is 17000mg milk thistle fruit not active ingredie
    good question, thanks

    hugs,
    pete

    it turns out i have 194mg silybin from 17000mg milk thistle fruit.

    from http://health.nutralife.co.nz/Product.aspx?id=51

    Milk Thistle 17,000 Complex is a specially formulated liver tonic formula which may also assist in the treatment of mild digestive disorders.

    Pack size: 60 capsules
    120 capsules - AUSTRALIA ONLY

    Beneficial for

    •Individuals requiring liver support
    •Antioxidant protection against harmful environmental pollutants
    •Healthy digestion, especially of fatty food
    •Supporting healthy cholesterol levels
    •Healthy detoxification

    Key and unique features

    •Provides 17,000mg of Milk Thistle to support healthy liver function
    •Supports healthy detoxification processes
    •Powerful antioxidant formula to protect liver and digestive health
    •Protects against free radical damage associated with environmental pollutants


    Ingredients
    Each capsule contains:
    Standardised Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry
    Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit 17g
    Equiv. Silybin 194mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry

    Cynara scolymus (GLOBE ARTICHOKE) Leaf 600mg

    Taraxacum offi cinale (DANDELION) Root 200mg

    Arctium lappa (BURDOCK) Root 200mg

    Schizandra chinensis (SCHIZANDRA) Fruit 200mg

    Co Factor;

    Taurine 200mg

    Formulated without: Starch, gluten, yeast, salt or artificial colours or flavours.

    Dosage

    Adults only: Take 1 - 2 capsules daily with a full glass of water as a liver tonic, or as directed by a healthcare professional. Always read the label. Use strictly as directed. If symptoms persist, consult your healthcare professional.

    Milk Thistle
    Hi all: I was taking milk thistle before and after my first chemo round but my oncologist took me off it because he had several patients who actually ended up with liver damage from it (not sure how he knew that but seems the patients were only taking milk thistle). Elevated liver enzymes he said. Don't know about it now!
    Cheryl
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    westie66 said:

    Milk Thistle
    Hi all: I was taking milk thistle before and after my first chemo round but my oncologist took me off it because he had several patients who actually ended up with liver damage from it (not sure how he knew that but seems the patients were only taking milk thistle). Elevated liver enzymes he said. Don't know about it now!
    Cheryl

    thanks cheryl
    a few onc support it, some onc don't , this is the predictament onc get into with
    supplements. still i believe many benefits of the supplements. milk thistle which io thought was viewed as pretty harmless and effective.

    we all just have to make our own decisions.

    hugs,
    pete
  • Kathleen808
    Kathleen808 Member Posts: 2,342 Member
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    Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete,

    I wrote about milk thistle back in January 2010. Here's a copy of my post:

    Hi,
    I was just on Dr. Lenz's (USC) site C3 and saw this article on milk thistle protecting the liver. I know that there are folks in our community who are battling cancer in their livers or whose livers have taken quite a hit from chemo.
    Here's a link, hope it can help. (You may have to cut and paste the address)

    http://fightcolorectalcancer.org/dr_lenz/2009/12/milk_thistle_a_way_to_protect_against_liver_damage

    Aloha,
    Kathleen
  • SisterSledge
    SisterSledge Member Posts: 332 Member
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    Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete,

    I wrote about milk thistle back in January 2010. Here's a copy of my post:

    Hi,
    I was just on Dr. Lenz's (USC) site C3 and saw this article on milk thistle protecting the liver. I know that there are folks in our community who are battling cancer in their livers or whose livers have taken quite a hit from chemo.
    Here's a link, hope it can help. (You may have to cut and paste the address)

    http://fightcolorectalcancer.org/dr_lenz/2009/12/milk_thistle_a_way_to_protect_against_liver_damage

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    live link
    Good stuff :)
    http://fightcolorectalcancer.org/dr_lenz/2009/12/milk_thistle_a_way_to_protect_against_liver_damage
    Milk Thistle: A Way to Protect Against Liver Damage
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
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    thanks kathleen and sister sledge
    just proof of the pickle we are in, some oncs do some don't.

    all we can do is be informed and try.

    hugs,
    pete
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
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    thanks kathleen and sister sledge
    just proof of the pickle we are in, some oncs do some don't.

    all we can do is be informed and try.

    hugs,
    pete

    Cat's Claw
    Reading up on Cat's Claw, my sister told me to read. I know I touched base with it some late last year but will read up again.
  • emtwoods
    emtwoods Member Posts: 37 Member
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    the difference is 17000mg milk thistle fruit not active ingredie
    good question, thanks

    hugs,
    pete

    it turns out i have 194mg silybin from 17000mg milk thistle fruit.

    from http://health.nutralife.co.nz/Product.aspx?id=51

    Milk Thistle 17,000 Complex is a specially formulated liver tonic formula which may also assist in the treatment of mild digestive disorders.

    Pack size: 60 capsules
    120 capsules - AUSTRALIA ONLY

    Beneficial for

    •Individuals requiring liver support
    •Antioxidant protection against harmful environmental pollutants
    •Healthy digestion, especially of fatty food
    •Supporting healthy cholesterol levels
    •Healthy detoxification

    Key and unique features

    •Provides 17,000mg of Milk Thistle to support healthy liver function
    •Supports healthy detoxification processes
    •Powerful antioxidant formula to protect liver and digestive health
    •Protects against free radical damage associated with environmental pollutants


    Ingredients
    Each capsule contains:
    Standardised Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry
    Silybum marianum (Milk Thistle) Fruit 17g
    Equiv. Silybin 194mg
    Herbal Extracts Equiv. Dry

    Cynara scolymus (GLOBE ARTICHOKE) Leaf 600mg

    Taraxacum offi cinale (DANDELION) Root 200mg

    Arctium lappa (BURDOCK) Root 200mg

    Schizandra chinensis (SCHIZANDRA) Fruit 200mg

    Co Factor;

    Taurine 200mg

    Formulated without: Starch, gluten, yeast, salt or artificial colours or flavours.

    Dosage

    Adults only: Take 1 - 2 capsules daily with a full glass of water as a liver tonic, or as directed by a healthcare professional. Always read the label. Use strictly as directed. If symptoms persist, consult your healthcare professional.

    New at this and so confused
    OK, I am so confsed my husband 42 years old, Stage 4, T3, N2, M1 to the liver. I have some medical background being an EMT and CNA for years. I also went through my Mother's Stage 4 Uterine Cancer with mets to the liver so I know somewhat what to expect. Anyway, we are on his second chemo treatment and he has been sick the first day after and really tired. I noticed in May his Iron was low, so I bought iron suppliments, and then was told no because Colon Ca feeds on iron? Now, he had his second treatment on Friday and the dr called today and schedualed a iron infusion for tomorrow? Then I have been reading all of your posts and thought Milk Thisle sounded like a good idea so I bought some. Somewhere in this thread I read it's bad if your on blood thinners. Michael had a Pulmonary Embolism after his colon resection and was put on warfrin. Now that he is in chemo he takes the shots in the stomach daily so does that mean he can not have milk thistle?
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
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    Thanks Pete
    Thanks Pete,

    I wrote about milk thistle back in January 2010. Here's a copy of my post:

    Hi,
    I was just on Dr. Lenz's (USC) site C3 and saw this article on milk thistle protecting the liver. I know that there are folks in our community who are battling cancer in their livers or whose livers have taken quite a hit from chemo.
    Here's a link, hope it can help. (You may have to cut and paste the address)

    http://fightcolorectalcancer.org/dr_lenz/2009/12/milk_thistle_a_way_to_protect_against_liver_damage

    Aloha,
    Kathleen

    Link
    Lenz on Milk Thistle

    Lenz is a cancer researcher at USC Norris Cancer Center in Southern California.

    Emtwoods, check with your doctor and/or your pharmacist for possible drug interactions.

    No supplement should be taken without discussing how it interacts with other medications you may be on with a qualified health professional, even if, by itself, that supplement may be helpful.