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Hondo
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I have always found that it is hard to talk about something if you don’t have a common frame of reference. A lot of us here can talk about Conventional Cancer Treatment because we were all treated for cancer and we are either living or dead.

I take nothing away for our doctors; they are people just like us and everyday they are on the fount line of this battle dealing with people with all different types of cancer doing there best to help each one of them.

But what about Alternative Cancer Treatment does it work or is it a myth, my question is this. How many people here have been treated by Alternative Cancer Therapy? In my humble opinion the only way to know if something really works is to try it. I am not here to endorse any product or to endorse Alternative Cancer Treatment to anyone but only to share my Story.

I can talk about both the Conventional Cancer Treatment and Alternative Cancer Therapy because I was treated with both and I am alive to tell the pros and cons of each.

I have lived the nightmare of having Cancer three times in the same place (NPC). I have lived the nightmare of hearing my Doctors tell me the bad news and the fear of having to tell my Wife and children that it is back again. As anyone with cancer well knows this is not easy to do, and to know the fight that is ahead of you and watching what happens to your body with the terrible side effects.

Most people only have the knowledge of Conventional Cancer Treatment that is because we depend so much on our doctors to help us when we get sick. I too was no different when I was told that I had cancer, the first thing I did was to find an Oncologist doctor to get rid of it. I was stage 1 NPC and my doctor told me that because it was so small I did not need to have Chemo just radiation.

I had no idea of what radiation treatment was only that after 35 treatment of it my cancer would be gone and I would be back to normal again, I finished treatment in Jan 2003. Life was so good to not have this thing in my head anymore. Until November 2003 when I did my first PET scan and to hear the news that not only was my cancer back but that it was also in my neck as well. A biopsy was done to make sure the PET was not just showing some hot spots and like the PET it confirmed that indeed my cancer was there.

A decision would need to be made by my doctor whether or not I could do radiation treatment a second time, remember all my radiation was to the head. My doctor came in and told both my wife and I that I was able to receive the radiation treatment a second time and that he would also like me to do Chemo with it. It was a living hell to go through radiation a second time and the sad part my doctors did not offer me a PEG tube. I did not even know they existed until I came on CSN and heard others talking about using PEG tubes. By the middle of March 2004 I finished all my Treatment again and was so glad to finally be passed this nightmare.

All was well until March 2006 when my ENT was putting a tube in my right ear and was going to scope my nasal while I was under and saw something that he did not like. He got permission from my wife to take a few biopsies of the area and sure as the day breaks my NPC cancer was back again a 3rd time. My oncal doc ordered a PET and it lit up like a Christmas tress, I was deeply depressed about the whole thing and did not know what to do. We talked to my Oncal doctor and he said the only thing they could do now was to try more Chemo. I ask him if the Chemo did not work last time why did he think it will work this time. He told me that with the chemo I might have a 5% chance with out it well you know what to expect, I told him I will let him know.

By May of 2006 I could tell that the cancer was there. My left ear did not have a tube in it to drain like the right ear and would fill with fluid this cause me to get dizzy and very unbalance at times. I knew I would not make it until December of that year so I ask my wife to let me go home one last time to see my Dad and my brothers in Honduras. So in June 2006 we left to go to Honduras my oldest brother knew about my cancer but we did not tell my Dad as he was 81.

As I said before I am NOT here to endorse any product or to endorse Alternative Cancer Treatment to anyone but only to tell my Story. While in Honduras my brother said he heard of a place on the main land that did some kind of treatment for cancer. You need to know my brother he does not take No for an answer so the next day we took a boat ride and went to see this place.

My brother found the place and we went and talked to a Nurse who was in change because the doctor was not there. He told her about me and what I have went through for the passed years. She came back with a bag and some other stuff gave them to my brother with instruction and we left. I did not tell my brother but I was glad to be gone from that place. I open the bag only to see a lot of twisted up vines in it and asked what is this crap.

Well he made me start taking the stuff but by then my attitude was not that good because I knew I did not have much time left. My pray life did not change, somehow it got me closer to my God then ever before and I found that just putting myself in his hands was all I could do.

I think back on all of this now and wow it’s been over 6 years ago and I am still here. My local oncl doctor to this day is still trying to get me on Chemo for my cancer. I just laugh and say for what Cancer, it must be some very slow growing cancer doc. I have a new ENT and I really like her because she takes the time to sit down and talk with me and tells me everything she sees when she is scoping, her last report everything is looking good.

So the Question:

Alternative Cancer Treatment does it work or is it a Myth

I sometime wonder if it was the Alternative Treatment that helped me or the prayers of the many friends. Or maybe it was there prayers that lead my brother to find that place. I am not sure but this I do know I no longer have Cancer.

I do suffer from the many side affects of all the radiation treatments that I had direct to my face and head. I tried to talk to my local Oncal doctor about what I can expect next, but he can’t answer me, he just said he don’t know. I don’t know if he is telling the truth or if in fact he really doesn’t know what to expect for me in the years to come, he has only been doing radiation treatment for 37 years.

As of this day I have two types of days, good days and very bad days. Days that are filled with some depression due to pain that I just can’t get away from and days of just feeling so good it is like laughter coming out from inside of me. I don’t worry about the future because I know I am in the hands of the one that makes the future.

Just a warning to anyone who might be thinking about ACT (Alternative Cancer Treatment) beware because the intranet if full with a lot of garbage. Most of what you will find on the net or about 95% of it will be people just wanting to take your money and don’t give a care in the world about what happens to you.

It is not easy to find but there are other treatments that do work.

As they say that’s my Story and I am sticking to it……
Hondo

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Here since 11/09, this is the first lengthy documentation of your C history that I've seen, Tim, though your shorter posts have given a lotta these details over the years. A very good and interesting read. And inspiring, both from a religious view, and one of inner resolve amidst a great physical struggle to keep fighting the good fight. And you are still fighting...

Maybe you're our Ali, Tim, and C is the Foreman of the Rumble in the Jungle, with you taking all that C can dish-out with your own rope-a-dope, until old C got himself punch drunk and all the power and sting of his punches are gone. And now you don't have to be covering on the ropes anymore, because old C just ain't got it in him to be able to hurt you, now. All he can do is stand there watching you live, and he's still too danged exhausted to do anything about it, and it's gonna stay that way. Maybe he's still there in the ring, or maybe he really isn't. All those punches he threw before he punched himself out- he still can't figure-out how they didn't win him the fight. Those punches did do a lotta damage, as you well know, but you took it, and stayed on your feet and in the fight. Hmmm...kinda makes one wonder if maybe you didn't have a kinda force shield around you, protecting you just enough so that none of those haymakers he threw was enough to win him the fight. Kinda makes one wonder if down in Honduras awhile back could be seen some footprints in the sand that could not be explained, though some of us just might have a clue as to what they were all about, Tim...

Thank you for sharing this with us, Hondo. You really should start making plans for your June of 2016 return trip to Honduras to mark the 10-year anniversary of your key trip there in 2006! If anyone deserves such a good thing like that, it is you, my friend.

Believe

kcass

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That is not a bad idea 10 year anniversary of getting rid of C and I will be 60 years old might just celebrate both of them at the same time.

Thanks my friend
Hondo

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Hondo,

is that possile to talk woth you over the phone...I would like to talk about second time tretment you had ...since my husband will hae second time around very soon.

Thanks,

Hetal

you can emaill me the phone number.

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Hetal, I'll get with Tim and let you know you are trying to get a hold of him...

Thoughts & Prayers,

John

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Hi hondo. I really enjoyed your story. And find it very interesting. I too have had some success with a similar situation. Prior to treatment I was freaking out about chemo and rads. Only a month prior I had tonsils, back teeth and not a care in the world. I had no idea this thing had been there 15-20 years. We were driving to Perth, Australia which is 2 hours from where I live and I totally freaked out half way there. I had been doing alternative therapy to try and get rid of it myself and had some amazing benefits so I rang the hospital and defered for one month while I tried to make my body as healthy as possible. Which I did. I spent a lot of money on alt things and in the end I felt obsessed with everything natural. I then needed to find a balance. I then went to a naturopath who monitors me regularly. My first visit my readings showed I had the body of a 57 year old. I was 44 at the time. I am now 46. And my last appointment my bodys age was 41. So I know something is working in that regard.

Back to the treatment. My natro told what to stop taking whilst having treatment and I can tell you briefly that I had 34 rads and 3 cisplatin chemo for stage ll tonsil cancer with 1 lymph node. The rads were to my neck and throat. I didn't get a sore throat. Did not get sick on chemo, although I did get a rash from chemo. Don't get me wrong. I hated treatment and would hate to have to do it again. But even the rads doc said " did we even turn the machine on" and in his 27 years he had never seen anyone react so positively to radiation. My tastebuds returned about 3 weeks after treatment. Slowly of course and I still don't enjoy sweet foods. My saliva is helped by chewing gum all day and also helps my teeth.

My natro always said have your treatment. Get rid of it and start a new beginning. I must say at that point I was convinced the body would heal itself and with the right alt therapy and prayer I could do it. But it is such a fear based disease I know that I did the right thing.

Who knows what the future brings. I just know now that i'll be here and that is the future. It's not measured on time anymore for me. It's measured in moments shared with my loved ones.

I hope this all makes sense as I'm writing on my phone.

All the best to you, you are an inspiration to me. Love and prayers xxxx

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Pascotty: What exactly did you use pre treatment that eliminated chemo/radiation reactions?

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Building up your body in preparation for treatment does give you a better chance of overcoming the many bad side effects. And the best way I know of keeping this C from coming back again is like you said start a new beginning.

Thanks for your posting
Hondo

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Hondo,

Thank you for sharing your story with us. I seem to ramble at times, but tonight I can only say that you said something that spoke so loud and it was only a few words....

Hondo wrote----I don’t worry about the future because I know I am in the hands of the One that makes the future.--

I can't add anything to that.....

My Best to You and Everyone Here

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I love reading Hebrews 11.1 to me it puts everything into its right Perspective.

Faith is!

Thanks my friend
Hondo

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Thanks for sharing your story Tim....

Looking forward to hearing about your new trip in July. I know you are really going to enjoy the time away and getting back to old roots.

Tampa Bay fish are waiting anytime you get the opportunity to return and have a little free time.

The place I fish frequently (other than the grouper) is probably less than five miles from Shells, the restaurant you, wour wife and I ate at.

Fond Memories Friend.
John

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I can’t wait to get back, but one thing I will not do this time is to go swimming, I learned my lesson on doing that last year that I am still paying for this year. But fishing is a hold different story I can do all the fishing I want as long as I don’t fall out of the boat. lol

Still can wait to get back to Tampa as well, what a beautiful place to live and fish.

Take care John and don’t catch all the fish.
Hondo

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Hondo:

Thanks for your story. I hope it lets people know how to discern between myth and does alternative treatment work. I think the most impressive thing is the fact that you don't endorse nor do you tell people not to have scan, see docs, etc. You are such an inspiration and such a comfort to me. When Charlie asked his onc. was this or that okay to do after it returned last year; he told him, "Whatever gives you relief from pain, go for it." Course he had pain pills to and not really any alternative medicine; although when he was felt like eating he did eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. I'm so sorry they never mentioned a PEG tube to you. Our oncologist told us from the beginning that when Charlie started radiation he would need to have one in place. Which Charlie did although he never used it, it was there in case he needed it. Keep up the good work and I will of course be praying for you and hope you get some relief from your pain and enjoy those very good days to the fullest and let them get you thru the not so good days! God Bless!

Jan (Basketcase)

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One thing about me is that I don’t like someone telling me what to do about my life, and so I respect that others have that same right. I can only share my story because I know my story is true and hope that it will help someone else who might be in the same place that I was in 6 years ago. I also believe that prayers from my many friends and family is what lead me to where I am today.

Keeping strong in God’s workshop
Hondo

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Thank you for sharing Hondo. It was great to read your story. I agree it is hard to discern what is fact or fiction in alternative medicine, especially when you are dealing with stage four cancer. Thanks for sharing,

Debbie

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You are so correct, my second NPC was also stage 4 and all I wanted to do was to get rid of it again. I looked hi and low on the internet only to find a lot of garbage and no idea of what to do except rad & chemo again. It was till I was not looking that I believe God lead my brother to the right place.

All the best to you
Hondo

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Hondo,

Thank you for sharing your story. You are an inspiration not only to me, but to countless others as well. You have been through hell and back and yet here you are. You give the rest of us HOPE. Hope that we too can fight the bully and knock it back down to size. Hope that we too can possibly even defeat the cancer and have it GONE. Hope that there is light at the end of the tunnel, if we just hang on.

Thank you for the inspiration you provide. I also agree that it is only one day at a time and God is in control.

Blessings to you and everyone here.

Teresa

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Tim,
Thank you for your inspiration and all you do for the people that come to this forum. Yes, I do belive that Alternative Medicine can be effective. I did alternative treatment before and after treatment and I do belive it was very beneficial. I always keep you in my prayers.
Debbie

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Yes there is so much good ACT out there and the only way to know if it does or does not work is to try it. To me if someone is just finishing Rad & Chemo the next move is to get on something to help the body help its self to heal the way God made the body to heal. Mine starts with prayer every morning and ends with prayer every night.

Thanks for your prayers
Hondo

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Thanks you so much for your kind words, just remember it is people like you who gives those like me the encouragement to keep fighting.

God bless and keep you
Hondo

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Hondo
I thank you for the whole story you shared. I am post treatment 14 months now and I'm starting to get the "waiting for other shoe to drop" syndrome. I hope I can, as others have, get on with life as it should be and not worry all the time. I too pray more than ever before. Mostly for others, but I also include myself too. You are a true gentleman and I'm glad you are here to post to all us newbies who come here.....keep up the good work. i think you are doing "his" work really.
All the best,
Steve

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Thanks my friend for your kind words and may the God we serve be the guiding light in our life everyday both now and forever..

All the best
Hondo

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Well done Hondo.

Thank you for sharing your story. This is well timed with some nasty debate going on on the CSN boards over alternative treatment posts.

I hope your experience will instill hope for some of the folks here and show that there are other ways through this challenge of cancer, and one does not have to give up the fight.

Like conventional therapies, there are many different Alternative treatments, and they all work in different ways to each other. People in search of an alternative or complimentary approaches to conventional treatments can find this information, but it may required some serious digging. They may also be fortunate to have a persistence friend or relative to corral them in the right direction like your brother who dragged you along somewhat reluctant, to seek help.

'Crossing over' and starting on an alternative route can take a while as we tend to procrastinate, often for far too long. The one alternative herbal remedy I have used, I had heard about it years before, was told about it again when I was diagnosed by some friends, I read about it, and still it was 18 months before I actually decided to try and then when I did buy my stuff, it sat on the shelf for another 5 months. It was only when I saw a clear testimonial, photographs, spoke to the guy who used it, then found many similar sources and reports, that I went for it. Now I wonder "What was I waiting for ?" . I now find it ironical that most of us make the decision (or it is made for us) to go the conventional route in one brief Doctors visit.

We all need a little motivating, and the many posts here on the subject are generally just trying to give people that little 'nudge'. There is a fine line between advocacy/advice, and sharing the experience on these boards to meet the T’s & C’s of CSN participation.
Your post is a valuable lesson Hondo.

The decision to try may require a leap of faith, luck, divine intervention and more likely just someone like you telling of your experience, (or a loving brother to drag your butt along even slightly against your will).

Thank you again for your eloquent nudge.

Best to you Hondo.
Scam

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I know if my brother would have not force me to go to that place and take that stuff I would not have been here and no one would have ever heard the name Hondo. I am glad you found something that is working for you my friend.

Take care
Hondo

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Hi Hondo: What were the 'twisted up vines' in the bag you received and how did you use them?

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You will have to e-mail me by clicking on my name Hondo there you will find my e-mail address.

Wishing you the best
Hondo

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Hondo, this post is just one of many of yours that I read and always draw something positive from. Finding your own ways of treating your illness sometimes is the only way to keep moving forward with this stuff.

I have not had to bear the news of a re occurrance, so I am staying the course with my medical team. it works for me in the now and present.

I admire you for having the courage to 'step out of the box" and try something different. And thank god it may have had something to do with you still being here. I am a better person for getting to converse with you.

God Bless!!

Mike

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Always glad to see you posting and know you are doing well. Thanks for your kind words.

All the best
Hondo

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Hondo, As many others before me have said, you are truly an inspiration for all of us. Thanks for sharing your story.

My take on alternative cancer treatments: I really want them to work, and work really well. Presently, I just don't have the confidence they will work as well as advertised. Certainly, eating healthy and taking better care of one's mind, body and spirit is a good start. Hopefully one day soon, there will be more research and clinical trials to separate the good alternative treatments from the more dubious ones. Cheers

Jimbo

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You hit the nail on the head, 90% of what is call ACT is just people wanting to make money on people with cancer. Sad but it is true, they know people with cancer want to do what ever its take to jet rid of the cancer and will spend money on all types of fake cures.

That is one reason why I said you need to try something to know if it works, for me I was lucky I found the real thing the first time. The other part of ACT is a total life style chance from every thing wrong that we use to do and that include the Diet.

I don’t take the stuff anymore and the sad thing is the guy changed his stuff, it is not the same as it was 6 years ago when I first found it. I am not sure why I believe it was the way he was having it made and is now making it local, just not as strong as it once was. Glad I don't need it anymore....

Take my friend
Hondo

hsnmp1978
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I am not sure but if anyone interested to learn more about alternative treatment

This is a great blog with real people life stories.

http://www.chrisbeatcancer.com/

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Great news about Coffee enemas, now I know why I feel so good right after one.

 

Thanks

Tim Hondo

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