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Why are people compelled to write about their religious beliefs in the specific cancer forums?

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This has been an issue for the 5+ years I have been a member of this site. It's been going on long before that and I am not the only person who finds this to be an issue worth discussing. While there are not very many people who speak out publicly (I have colon cancer and usually post there - or here) when I do make a comment about why are there quotes from the Bible in the colon cancer forum and I get "beaten up" by the Christians, I get many emails from people who thank me for speaking up. Many Christians even thank me. They also feel that it is inappropriate to post scripture in the section that is dealing with specific cancer types.

The purpose of the forums, as I understand the Terms & Conditions, is to help others by talking about treatment and side effects and how to deal with them. Also by giving first hand experiences of what one might expect while having colon surgery or whatever the case may be. It was not created to be a soapbox or pulpit for political or religious views. We all may have cancer (or be a caregiver) but we all are not Christians, or Jews, or Hindus, or Muslims, or Democrats, or Republicans, and the list can go on...

Possibly the reason that people are "so touchy about God" is that:
1-they may have a different God than the one you have.
2-they may not believe in God at all.
3-they may feel that it's not the proper forum for the discussion.
4-they just want to talk about cancer issues.

I can't help but think that if on the colon cancer forum, quotes from the Koran were posted on a regular basis that people who post there would be OK with that. I think we'd see more flags than there are at the United Nations. I do not mean to single Muslims out but there is a lot of backlash against them for 9/11 which they, as a religious group, had nothing at all to do with it. It's akin to blaming all Catholics for child molestation because of the actions of some priests, or all Christians to blame for the actions of Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma bombing.

If Muslims, Christian, Jews, or whatever faith wishes to post in the religion forum and follow the T&C, then we all have a forum to post things that may help us get through the cancer but are not offensive to others. This is a place that many people use and guidelines need to be followed. It really is that simple. If this were a Christian Cancer Site then I'd suspect there would be different guidelines and scripture would be welcome everywhere.

While there is the argument "if you don't like it don't read it" there is also one that says "if you post it where it belongs it's not an issue anymore". Of course there is the well wishes that people often give like "I'm praying for you" or "Please pray for me". I do not find that offensive at all nor do I think many others do. It's a common saying that is received many ways. Sort of like say "Hi, how are you?".

While many of my posts are not publicly received well, I feel this is an issue that needs to be looked at once again. This has little to do with God and more to do with Religion(s). There are hundreds of faiths. If we lived in a society where we all thought alike it wouldn't matter, but we don't.

Just wondering why people who violate the T&C of the site and get booted off still continue to reincarnate themselves and start it all over again.
Bobby...

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I remember when all that was going on but didn't know you were caught up in it! So sorry!

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I'm sorry to hear that you were attacked when you pointed out that it was a violation of the T&C. That has also happened to me on many occasions.

I hope that you stay Mariam.

There is a saying "One person's religion is another person's myth".
Just something for people to think about.

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I remember that. I am Christian, but I was bothered by the scripture posting. I thought, "if I want to read scripture I will read my Bible. I don't need to come on here to read scripture that this lovely lady has written." I ignored it, but I knew someone would report it.

From what I understand, she was told not to do it anymore. She CHOSE to leave since she couldn't post scripture. I had no idea you were receiving messages. Sounds immature on their part.
I'm glad you didn't leave. Stay on board.

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Just wanted to say good to see you. Hugs

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Just a lack of words on my part that I said complain, I should have said I see where you are coming from.

Looks like a lot have posted on this tread with many different opinions, I just hope we can all find common ground and remember we are all here to help each other, whether that is by praying for them or just keeping them in our thought and wishing them good health. I think better then using scripture is showing someone who is in control of your life, and that is by showing them that you care.

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How did you make your font so big here? lol. Sure could have used that function a few times in the past. lol. Just wondering.

Signed
Technically challenged - Bluerose

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I am pretty sure I know what prompted this post as I commented on it then decided to remove my comment as I felt it best.
Here is my view for whatever it is worth, I am a person of faith and I enjoy sharing my faith with others when it is appropriate. I am a survivor of breast cancer and that message board is pretty open to religion as long as one does not go bonkers with it. We do say I'll pray for you and we ask for prayer but beyond that we mostly support each other in our battle to fight the good fight. I have on occasion quoted a scripture if I know in fact that that person is of my faith and would benefit from the scripture, usually I do this with a private message.
There are sites that are religion based if one wishes to wear their faith on their sleeve, this is not that site and it is pretty clear when one signs up that it is not that site. I will gladly share my faith with anyone here if they ask me pointed questions but I will not overwhelm them or become angry if they do not agree with me. Other’s life and walk with God is something that cannot be forced upon anyone and if they are on the fence so to speak if I were to be aggressive, pushy, angry or intolerant it would surely turn them away from the God I would hope they would find and possibly any and all religion. Since my faith continues to be a huge part of my healing process as my faith gives me great comfort it would be very unkind and even unchristian to cause my brother to stumble. Enough said that is how I see it for what it is worth.

RE

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If you scroll up to my "Beefs and stews" post, I posted the
comments that started this latest, continuing debacle.

It was only in that single comment, and it's context, that numerous
people found offensive. That entire thread containing that quoted
comment has since been removed, along with another similar thread.
(and it doesn't matter who that original poster was)

There's a difference between discussing religion, or telling someone
you will say a prayer, and quite another to suggest that one will die
regardless of treatment if one does not believe in a specific religion.

All this arguing and posturing, and claiming that some people hate religion
and religious people, only serves to divide a group that should be bound
together regardless of their religious beliefs or no religious beliefs.

Let's try to keep the debacle to the context of the comments,
and forget about all the banter regarding "oppression and hatred",
it does not exist here.

Confused comments, and misplaced arguments perhaps,
but you will find that on any forum; That's the nature of trying
to put words into text.

Best of health !!

John

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I was wondering what you posted then removed. I think you summed up everything with eloquence and all that crap ;-)
I couldn't agree with you more with what you said here.
Thank you for your post/comments.
All the best
-phil

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"But to answer a question with "I cannot help you, but will 'Pray' for you" IMO is no help at all and really had no place in the Cancer Forum."
I know what you mean about this. People ask for specific help on a situation that can be very critical and where time may be of the essence and to hear that I have no idea about anything to do with your problem is of NO help at all. People often like to hear themselves talk or just want to pipe in or join a group for the sake of joining a group.

Just in general, the site has made a big switch from being a very helpful CANCER site to more of a casual "Hey, what's up and what sign are you" type site. It's changed for the worse IMO over the past 1-2 years.

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Yes it's about cancer but support too. I think reaching out to say 'what's up' is part of support. We make friends and want to cheer them up also. So are you saying all these more personal notes should be on PM's? I post a lot that is not about cancer so I am interested in what is right/wrong. Is a laugh helping to lift someones spirits not allowed? I've often wondered about this but to me it's not wrong. I actually think it improved the site. So I guess I look at it differently. We can't agree on everything!
:>)

Actually I try to stick to the point when someone asks for specific help but I don't grudge someone else who posts support of any kind. It might be important to them to get a lot of answering posts. If they only get one or two they might see it as no one is interested in them. I've actually read a post from another stating they felt neglected because they didn't get many responses. So I disagree again. :>)

Altho I have seen one poster who started a thread and complained when the responses didn't stick to the point. I guess it depends on the person.

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I can understand what you are saying. Since for the most part we don't really know the other person sometimes it gets tricky posting for what we say could be misunderstood also. I really believe that most people have good intentions tho.

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I agree with you Marcia (nice holiday pic, by the way :)), and suspect that nearly everyone else here does too. Support goes beyond cancer information, cancer experiences, facts and figures, links to trial sites, opionions about this hospital or that doctor, arguments about statistics.

Support is also about cheering people on, rejoicing with them in their good news and commiserating with them in their bad, letting them know that we care and that we are there. Encouraging people when they are down or in the midst of treatment that seems unbearable, and doing the happy dance with them when they finish treatment.

I think from reading the posts and responses of late, most of us would agree that having someone suggest they will 'pray for you' is not out of bounds, even in the so-called cancer forums (they are all cancer forums to me, including this one, after a fashion). To reiterate what has been said before, the real problem, the most significant one, is when folks opine to others that god will heal them, that faith will cure them. That can be dangerous business, not dissimilar to recommending a treatment plan, something else prohibited on this site but sometimes ignored.

Some of my best friends on this site are fervent christians and are aware of my own state of unknowingness. Somehow, we manage to have intelligent conversations (not in the boards) about the nature of faith without cursing at each other, without damning one or the other to hell, without blaming faithlessness for disease or lack of cure.

But I ramble. I concur, Marcia, even the so-called cancer forums are about more than cancer, are especially about more than cancer. It is as important to learn from others that they are living normal lives of a sort, that life goes on, that there are happy moments, funny times, that people are coping and even exceeding the boundaries of their former lives, than it is to exchange the latest cancer news.

I once found it egregious and then wondrous that people in the Chat Room were having fun. The first time I entered that room, I was so offended that they were not taking cancer seriously, that I left immediately. It took some time to realize that what people were seeking there beyond the sense of immediacy that chat brings, was the ability to talk to other people WITHOUT the spector of cancer hanging over the conversation: we've got it, we know it, so let's talk about my kids. "What's for dinner?" "Is your dog still eating the rug?" That sort of seemingly trivial thing that normalizes things.

It is an important part of personal repair.

Take care, my friend,

Joe

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you have such a balanced and wonderful way of speaking RE. I hope to read more posts from you. I dont know you, but to me you are a very wise woman.

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Personaly I am part of the Wicca Religion

And there are a few others of my faith on this board that i know of.

Most of the time we just sit back quietly and let people pray to there own beliefs.

I agree i do not like to see HEAVLY religious posts but I can always skip that section.

In my religion we do not normaly openly post scripture or the like.

I dont mind when someone prays for me to whatever god/godess/or group of, I just dont want to see something like John 84:82 with it quoated.

Not trying to single anyone out or such but in my life it seems most Christains seem to believe that everyone else is also of there religion so the quote is helpfull.

personaly one of my friends with Lupus is a ministers wife and knows we are Wicca. She prays for us and we pray for her and we have lots of discussions.

alot of us just dont want to get hate mail so we dont speek up when we know we are in a heavy christian area.

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Truthfully I wouldn't know the difference between a Presbyterian and a Martian as far as personal beliefs are concerned and that doesn't bother me. Life is about diversity but one thing we all have in common on this site is cancer. It's hard to hold back on here no matter what beliefs one holds if in the past they feel that that has helped them, then they simply want to share what helps so others can benefit. That's a good thing.

I agree though that when it gets too specifically more about recruiting into one's own beliefs then this isn't the place for it. I have shared spiritual moments in my life as it's worth it to hope it helps others but I don't preach any of it, just what worked for me.

Welcome to the site Nasher and I think if we all follow CSN rules and stick mainly to the topic, with off moments for the sake of variety within reason, we will all have continued fabulous connections on this site.

All the best.

Blessings,
Bluerose

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but I think I Martian was a follower of Martian Luther who broke away from the Church a long time ago...
;-)
"Martin Luther (10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) was a German priest and professor of theology who initiated the Protestant Reformation. Strongly disputing the claim that freedom from God's punishment of sin could be purchased with money *, he confronted indulgence salesman Johann Tetzel with his Ninety-Five Theses in 1517. His refusal to retract all of his writings at the demand of Pope Leo X in 1520 and the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V at the Diet of Worms in 1521 resulted in his excommunication by the pope and condemnation as an outlaw by the emperor."
* This concept is still alive today in the form of the TV preacher.
Just my observation/opinion, not a condemnation of the practice.

I love when we have dialog about beliefs. It can be very informative and interesting at times. I've found that when people can not (or will not) entertain the thought that there are other faiths that are just as valid as what they believe that we run into problems. I agree with you BlueRose, when it goes from sharing an experience to "recruiting" that seems to be when the problems start.

Welcome Nasher
I hope you have a Happy Winter Solstice

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Was that a Martian joke? lol. Wouldn't want to upset any Martians on these boards you know. LOL. Sorry couldn't resist.

Have a Happy Holiday my friend.

Blessings,
Bluerose

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Hello Nahser, glad you posted though I am not of your faith I do feel you have every right to be of that faith. I too hope you will join in the discussions here as we all can learn from each other. My best to you!

RE

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Nasher, you do something to me!

(Phil.... In Bb please?)

You do something to me,
something that simply mystifies me.
Tell me, why should it be
you have the power to hypnotize me?
Let me live 'neath your spell,
Do do that voodoo
that you do so well.
For you do something to me

Composer: Cole Albert Porter (June 9, 1891 – October 15, 1964)

Welcome to the board.

John

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John23 posted:
'Nasher, you do something to me"
......................................

Hehehe
Btw, Nasha, glad to see you here :)

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I haven't posted for awhile, but check in from time to time. I often tell people I will keep them in my prayers, as well as tell them I'll be sending good thoughts, vibes, etc. their way. Being of Italian descent, I was raised Catholic, but over the years have found that I am much more a spiritual person than a religious person. I think I want to believe, more than I actually absolutely believe, but I haven't given up just yet.

I am open to all viewpoints, and love to learn about different beliefs, and cannot -- refuse to -- believe that if there truly is a God, Higher Power, etc., that there is only one path to him/her, etc. My husband was raised Lutheran, his extended family was Episcopalian and Mormon, and he gave up on organized religion years ago. He is more of a spiritual person also. We have Jewish, Muslim, Prysbeterian, Hindu and Buddhist friends. They are all praying for him in their own ways, according to their own beliefs, and I welcome anything good sent his way, and to our family. I do believe that all these good people, putting their best intentions forward to wish my husband and family well are having a positive effect, and I believe that if there is a God he/she is listening to all of us united in goodness, love, and with tolerance and respect for each other. I have also been practicing yoga and meditation for many, many years, and was first introduced to yoga and meditation by a very progressive Catholic priest.

I recently returned to mass, and was put off by a couple of "fanatics" that I personally feel do more to turn people off than to inspire them. I'm sure their intention was to "help" me, but they made me uncomfortable and I haven't returned yet. It reminds me of Ghandi's quote "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." I don't want to offend anyone, but this quote often resonates with me.

Peace to you all.

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to that quote of Ghandi's. I so agree.

Blessings,

Bluerose

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One of my favorite Gandhi quotations! =)
-stayingcalm

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and here here again!

I love that quote as well as - Don't judge a religion by its people!

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Donnare said:
"...over the years have found that I am much more a spiritual person than a religious person"
.............................................

Me too, Donnare.
It happened a long time before I even realized that it had.
Nice to meet you.
AussieMaddie

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Everytime I read a post on subjects surrounding spirituality or religion the same thought comes into my mind each and every time. I wish all could experience a healing as I did years ago. With that unexpected healing there came this unbelievable sense of KNOWING, a KNOWING like I had never experienced before with anything else. That kind of KNOWING can only have one source and you realize that while it is happening to you - trust me.

During the healing that I had I 'heard things' that weren't really audible but they were in my head - sort of like what you would think it's like when people say they could sense someone else's thoughts. The 'thoughts' I heard were so powerful that they were not a question but a given and I just KNEW that.

There aren't enough words to try to describe all that I experienced during this healing I had but suffice is to say that if everyone could experience what I did that would be the end of questioning the existance of a God. I was spiritual before this happened, in a very passive way, and certainly did not have the idea of a healing in my mind whatsoever, was just praying my brains out that I wouldn't be taken by the cancer. Guess my prayers got through. It was so shocking when I first felt that line of heat enter me but I was never afraid, why would that be? So man questions I had were all put to rest in only a few brief quiet moments.

I wish this for all on this board.

Blessings,

Bluerose

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Faith can move a mountain

Hondo

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Sure can.

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Hi Bluerose! Hope you are doing well. Did you ever move out of the place you were living at? Or did the "property managers" concede that they were being cruel?

I pray you are doing well. I have been moving forward in my journey, with "eyes wide open"! So many realizations and "aha" moments.

We are in a drought and my roses only bloomed once. Hoping fall will allow them to bloom at least one more time!

Take care, dear one.

Lucy

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I was wondering where you had gone to, glad to see you posting.

YES I MOVED. YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. Actually I got the apt I have been looking for for many years, right on the river. It is in the city but is right across the street from our big river here and each morning I wake up to the first birdy singing and then many more join in for a morning symphony. It's like waking up at a big lake everyday. lol. It's so peaceful. There is a fairly busy road infront of the river between me and the river but it's not super busy and somehow with the view of the river and rapids that I have I can't really hear the traffic and after about 8pm the traffic dies right down to almost nothing so that's good. I have a balcony and have furnished it so spending time out there, just like a backyard which is great in an apt.

I moved in mid May and I didn't realize just how much stress that last place I lived in was and the management in this new place is HUMAN. Can you imagin that? lol. Actually the people in this complex are more like a friendly community rather than an apt building. In the old building you hardly got a 'hello' in the hall but here people stop you and remember about something you had said the time before and asked about my sick cat's health and it's just lovely. It is kind of pricey though so hopefully I can stay here for the long haul, it's really wonderful. Best decision I made in a long time. Thanks for asking.

We are in the middle of a heatwave too, it gets very humid here but hopefully that will die down in a couple of weeks, I hope. I have an AC unit in my bedroom and it does a good job of making things tolerable.

Healh wise I am about the same but had a bit of a scare when I was having my breast ultrasound about a month ago. Apparently they found a lymph node in my right breast and seems that lymph nodes aren't supposed to be in your boobs. lol. However they have seen them there in other women now and again, just isn't a normal thing. So I want a needle biopsy done to make sure all is okay and they said considering my history probably not a bad plan seeing I can't have mammograms after all my treatments - nerve damage. So next week is the biopsy, ick. I postponed all of my doctor's appointments for the move as a gift to myself and wow what a vacation to not have any doctors for a whole month. Of course that lovely month is over and so I am now up to my neck in specialists, ick again. lol. Oh well, one at a time. Oh by the way all the docs said there are no markers in the lymph node to say this thing is malignant so whew, let's hope it stays that way.

My cat, the Vet thinks, has a brain tumor though, sigh. She all of a sudden just couldn't walk and her eyes were going spinny and I think she had a stroke. Sigh. Then a week later she had another one but is rallying so I guess she is a survivor too. lol. She walks very wonky and her head is tilted with after effects of the stroke perhaps, I have been playing nurse to her. The Vet said this can go on for a long time, like our tumors can. Sigh. I won't put her down though unless she is in pain or very depressed with her condition, she will let me know when it's time.

Anywho I hope you are doing well. Good to see you back. Sorry about your roses, stupid climate changes eh? lol

Take good care kid and talk to you soon.

Hugs,
Bluerose

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Can faith cut my grass?

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Pray on it a while and find out.

:Smile:

Hope you are doing well,

Blake

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That experience must have given you a great sense of peace.
That's wonderful.
-phil

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Peace? Yes but more importantly confirmation that yes there is indeed something much bigger than we are helping us to stear our course in life and always there for us. I mean I believed without the healing but that was a heck of a validation. lol. I find experiences like this that come right out of the blue to people who aren't looking for them to happen (maybe talking themselves into 'experiences' like this) are the most significant. I am not a religious person at all, spiritutual though.

Also it gave me the peace that as the voice said 'it wouldn't be back'. That's not to say I can't get a cancer again, PRAY THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EVERYDAY, but for that cancer that time that one was indeed gone so I didn't have that constant 'what if it comes back?' never did. That's a gift all by itself.

Like i said before, I just wish everyone could have experienced what I did.

Take care Phil

Bluerose

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I have been a member for over a year, but I am definitely not a regular to ANY online forum, and I am sure that I have been guilty of breaking "the rules" in the past. Maybe not about a religious issue, but probably at least bad form, like completely straying from topic. (Like now, for instance.) I usually get on these forums either when I cant sleep, or when I am in "panic" mode, like right before a PET scan or a biopsy, because I think only others who have experienced it can really offer some meaningful comfort. Anyway, I have stayed up all night reading various boards and I must say, there are certainly ALOT of articulate people who post here! Whether I agree with what yall say, or disagree, I sure do admire your command of the English language, Phil and Chris, Hondo, Bluerose, and others whose names I cant remember.

I am Christian, and I live in an area where almost everyone is conservative, Protestant Christian. I remember being at church when I was first diagnosed, and one of the well-respected ladies of the church asked me what did I think God was punishing me for. I was very taken aback! It had not even occured to me that might be being PUNISHED. I see my cancer as Gods way of saving me or someone I love from an even worse fate. Maybe if I hadnt taken chemo for breast cancer, which I am surviving, I would now have a cancer with a worse prognosis or worse survival scenario. Maybe my bout with cancer will be the factor that helps my child decide to become a doctor or scientist, and thereby save MANY people from a fate worse than cancer. Anyway, I shared this to say, it takes all sorts of people to make the world go around, and even those of my own faith, in my own CHURCH, have views that vary significantly from me. I sure dont wish eternal damnation on anyone because we disagree. My idea of being Christian is to take as many people to Heaven with me as I can, even the ones I dont really like,lol! If I "preach" to anyone, its because I love almost everyone I meet, and I want them to go to Heaven some day.

I have never been offended by anything religious I have read on this or any other site, but I guess, since I am in the "majority," that just makes sense. I love reading about other religions and was glad to see this forum, and I am very impressed. Since I had chemo and lost every shred of hormones, I lost about 15 IQ points, so I am a little jealous. I sure enjoy reading the posts here. Yall are gonna have to do a whole lot worse than insult my religion every so often to get rid of me.

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Welcome aboard, sobles!

A very nice read that introduces you in a wonderful way.

Take care,

Joe

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It is sad to say that some people believe that wend someone gets sick it is God who is doing it. That mythology or theology goes all the back to the dark ages, we see it also in the insurance companies calling an act of nature an act of God. I can never figure out why people blame God for everything. My cancer was to be my cancer good or bad it was to be part of my life and I use it to help others who are going through cancer. Maybe in heaven someday I will know the real reason for me having cancer, but for now I can accept doing what I can to help others as my challenge in this life. And should I die and there is no life after this one, then I have lived a very good life here and I am none the worse for it.

Wishing you well
Hondo

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I think that God gets the credit for things as often as God gets the blame. It seems to me that when something happens that they can not explain, the "it was God's will" is the answer that covers it all.
There is certainly nothing wrong with living a life helping others.
Hope all is well,
Phil

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That is because it is always easier to blame someone else. I guess you are right just saying “it was God's will" is the answer that covers it all”, in mans view of things.

Take care my friend
Hondo

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There is so much that we don't know or understand and it is convenient to believe there is something so much greater and bigger than we are that is responsible for what is going on.

I used to think n'shallah(God willing) was just a cop out, a way for people to not be held responsible for breaking their promises and engagements and some people do use it that way - 'N'shallah, I will show up at your house at 7pm', then never to arrive. However as I deepen in spiritual growth I have come to realise that even when we have honourable intention sometimes things do happen that are way out of our control and understanding, n'shallah for me has become a way to acknowledge that.

winter woman
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Joined: Nov 2012

your posts were both well said and uplifting..thank you!

winter woman
Posts: 14
Joined: Nov 2012

well said!!

mechellelong
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Joined: Sep 2011

In your own words, "The purpose of the forums, as I understand the Terms & Conditions, is to help others by talking about treatment and side effects and how to deal with them".

People post religous comments and scriptures because this is how 'they' "deal with" their conditions, treatments and side effects. Many feel that their faith is the biggest part of how they "deal with" all of this.

If they truly believe it helps them, just like any other helpful information, they feel compelled to share that with others.

mechelle

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Buckwirth
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Joined: Jun 2010

Phil posted this some time ago, and we go through periods where the religious expressions cross the line into proselytizing. No one (well, almost no one) objects to an offer of prayer, or a simple god bless, however, when someone says that God has put their cancer in remission to reward their faith, it does raise the question for the faithful person whose cancer has not gone into remission, or who is of a different religious faith.

In the end, faith is a deeply personal thing, which is why a separate forum was created to allow for some sharing and an open discussion as to what it means.

Take a moment and read through this thread, and note those who sound particularly righteous in their belief and in their right to express it, then click on their user names to look up the profiles. In many cases, you will see that they are no longer members of this board, mostly because they crossed the line between expressing they had faith to saying that their idea of faith was the one and only true way.

You don't mention your cancer, but I hope you are dealing with it well whether you are a patient or a caregiver,

Blake

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