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bdhilton
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Surgery is Wednesday and I am flying up Monday to Chicago and just want to say thanks to all of my supports and well wishers during my journey so far with PC and the changes I have gone though as all of us…My journey so far has been a blessing in many aspects…

I have a lot of personal thing to do now until I fly out of Atlanta so I do not see myself pontificating :-) anything new here until post surgery…Of course I selfishly want the perfect outcome but I also know the reality of accepting the things I have no control over…With whatever happens I know I am entering a new beginning and this has been the silver lining with this PC and I am sure many of you know what I am saying…

God bless to all-B

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fathersson
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I wish you the best.

marc1957
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BDH

If you are having the davinci, I can only add my experiences in hind sight.

For me, it was more painful mentally than it was painful physically. I didnt want to go out and play soccer the next day, but I was basically pain free, was dry within 3 weeks,
was mostly non-dry because I didnt know how/what my adjustments were (like farting included a urination!).

You will be fine - I am praying for you!

regards

-marc

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mrshisname
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Godspeed BDH, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

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dakotarunner
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Hi bd,

Things will go fine. It is always hard to wait, but the day will be here before you know it. Take things as they come. Like you said, you are entering a new beginning. You talk of a silver lining, and I agree. The PC experience has opened my eyes in a way I can not explain.

God bless and we'll be waiting for you on the other side of surgery.

DR

Trew
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I wish you the very best.
-Trew

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randy_in_indy
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We wait to hear all about your recovery.
Randy in Indy

Ralphie62
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We'll pray for you on Wednesday!! It's going to be successful...........best wishes!! Ralphie and wife:)

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shane59
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Hope alls well may the psa be low and a quick recovery . Heres to the future .God bless, Shane59

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randy_in_indy
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I thought and said a prayer for you on Wednesday. WE ARE ALL PULLING FOR YOU AND YOUR RECOVERY PHASE WHICH HAS BEGUN. Post when you get back and feel up to it...want to hear all about the experience with the person who's done the most opens in the world...over 5,000.

Randy in Indy

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lewvino
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Best wishes and see you on the other side! Don't forget you will need dues when you join the PSA 0 club as Cancer Free!

Keep us informed on your progress.

Larry

Trew
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BDH, As far as any dues that are due, just say you paid at the "office" in full.

Wishing and hoping all is going well as you move past ground zero.

bdhilton
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you guys (and some gals) have been great and I plan on giving a full report next Monday or Tuesday after I get my snake pulled out of me and the pathology reports….My doc already told me I was doing too much already and told today a little less walking (I was taking up to 45 minutes walks since back from Chicago) but I only have about 4 months to prepare for my Half Dome Climb but my doc says my goal should be to get back to 100% in 8 weeks (minus some upper body strength and abdominal strength)…I will hope for the best and deal with what is given like all of the rest of us here..
Again all of your prayers and thoughts mean more than you think…BD

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randy_in_indy
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I can tell you that the rest for your body is necessary early on...don't push too hard. However I can tell you at day 60 I believe I could do just about any kind of workout based on the fact I skied 6 hours fell once pretty hard with zero negative affects or even an inkling of pain from the surgery. At 8 weeks you will be able to start pouring on the workouts to get you ready within the next 8 weeks...for your climb.

Randy

bdhilton
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I am in sales (going on 2 years without a job but seeking another senior role some place)…but have a AA personality (so my docs tells me )..so hard to sit still sometimes but I am listening to the doc about this…. Separate but related …how bad is the first BM (as I lay here and wait)?:-)

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randy_in_indy
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LOL, yes that was a typo in the subject...but really it was not as bad as my fear meter was set, prior to taking place. I was popping the stool softners like a crack head on crack. I think 100mg stool softner every morning...then when I told that to my surgeons triage nurse she said do one morning and night...so I did...then about 3 or 4 days after that I said hey I don't need that much.... I can distinctly remember being so scared of the first BM...I was eating "very little"...my attempt and logic with that was to have just a "little bm"....and it actually worked and I lost about 20 lbs in the first week and a half. I just tried to let it happen and then following the first one I felt enthusiastically compelled to burst upon anyone who was out in the house to joyfully exclaim I had just completed my first post surgery BM and was here to tell about it. For me....it was not as bad as I feared. My issues arose later down the recovery path when I started getting cocky and hungry and started eating my insanely hot mexican I so love...I slowly did creep back to the adiction I have to hot mexican food and that was a problem..don't do it...just set yourself to eat that bland diet they instruct you to use...and stay on it for about a month...I love food too much and could not discipline myself to stay on that path. besides I lost 20 pounds and was hungry for all those foods I gave up prior to and just after surgery for....so I had to pay the piper in those dark moments in the bathroom. It took me so long to answer this you probably have already experienced your first....lol

Trew
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Sounds like you will not be needing Lupron or Eligard. That stuff is a real drag on the body. Good to see you up and going.

bdhilton
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Trew….Thanks for the positive outcome wishes and it would be nice..but like the rest of us here i have no idea what our destinies are…I would like to see a few m ore productive decades but this has never been in my hands….My wife told me today (and over the decades together) that I never give up and always think of another angle…I hate to disappoint the boss

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You need to go easy for the first few weeks, maybe more. Over doing it can hurt more than it helps. If the boss orders you to get well -

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randy_in_indy
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Particularly personalities like ours...we tend to do just that...More is better...I will just recover faster that way...no so true in the early aftermath period......I started getting very comfortable I think around 2 weeks post surgery and was brushing my teeth...I always would brush the tongue and go way back and sometimes gag myself in this routine...it happened...and WOW I could feel each and every one of the five robotic entry points about two inches below the surface...it genuinely hurt...and was sore for several hours after. ...that little episode told me...hmm not healed yet....but then on day 60 or so I fell skiing and hit pretty hard...not even an inkling of any surgery pain...nothing...

Randy in Indy

bdhilton
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Thanks for the details ... I feel 3 years old discussing BM's but they are extremely important for general health...mine came with "gunk" out of my penis the first few times but now just a little uncomfortable...Lets say I am waiting to get my cath out and I am sure it will be a tad more pleasant...I am taking iron 2x a day for 2 weeks due to the liter + of blood I loss on surgery so stool softeners, prunes, prune juice are part of my already bland and high fiber diet...as far as Mexican food not yet but my wife always has homemade salsa and chili sauce in the refrig...I love the style of Mexican food and Mediterranean food which we tend to eat a lot of....thanks again and my best to all in this journey...

Trew
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BD, you bring up so many fond memories I almost want to cry! LOL

And I suppose you have noticed sometimes a man can leak around the cath? Usually not much of a problem.

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randy_in_indy
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My doc reco'd it and I actually like it so not a problem for me to drink about 6-8 ounces each morning...I was gulping it down at first and realized hours later I needed to back off...as it was causing too much looseness for comfort.

Oh and yes the out around the cath move....I remember that well...I must have been in just the right position one night in bed and had my one and only sheet changing ordeal at friken 3 am. I frequently had to place some toilet tissue around the cath and penis to avoid that squirt when having the BM especially in the second week of wearing the cath.

Salsa and chips...I'm going for some right NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I had some avocados!

Randy in Indy

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gumbyrun
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When I got home I started using pads in my shorts with the cath to handle the leakage around the "insertion point" as put pc by one of my younger RN's. I kept it pretty clean and (eventually) well lubed with Bacitracin Zinc ointment. My first night home I got a "chubby" around 2 am and the little guy wasn't too happy about climbing up a dry hose. While it was a good sign it was a bit...ummm...uncomfortable.

BM's weren't really an issue and my doc warned me that my digestive system would act a bit unusual the first week or so. Which reminds me to give a little advice: I think we all do a great job researching and asking the tough questions going into the procedure. However, I did not ask the simple questions about the first 12-48 hours - what to expect, what to do and what NOT to do. If I had, I would have saved myself a lot of grief and an extra 2-3 days in the hospital. I asked the simple questions on my discharge - "what can I expect? What are bad signs?", etc.
A lot of my incision point pain and "fullness" at the rectum disappeared with the cath. That was an interesting experience, having that thing removed. Quick but truly a unique feeling.

bdhilton
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Yea no doubt I am hung up on this BM thing :-) I have been big from day one with the Bacitracin Zinc as my surgeon outlined in his "Doing your Part After Surgery" (also posted on his web site)which has been most helpful...I for sure have a "fullness" with this tube up me :-) but should be comeout soon and thanks for telling me the feeling is "unique"...

Heal well and best to all

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randy_in_indy
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Not sure they will do what my doc (PA) did when I got the cath out but mine put 4 ounces of saline into the bladder before they pulled it out to make sure I could expell all of it. I can remember being amazed at how little the 4 oz looked in the beaker compared to how much it felt like she squirted in with through the siringe. I kept holding the beaker..standing there showing my wares to her and girlfriend...thinking I'm not done it's not all coming out....then she said, "your done" and took the beaker from me. That was the closest I have ever been to a threesome! peeing in a beaker in front of two women... LOL

It's great that we can find humor in all this...it makes life worth living!

Randy in Indy

bdhilton
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You're funny :-)...I would prefer not having the latex and beaker involved but I will take it where I can... Yes my doc will have his nurse take it out of me as well and I understand testing out your bladder makes a lot of sense....After about 5 minutes into pre op I lost all modesty...Hey I get my mail now in my silk Jerry Garcia boxers holding my overnight bag in my hand and just wave at the onlookers...:-)

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randy_in_indy
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Yes...did you notice how nicely shaved you were when you awoke from recovery.....I could just see the nurse staff all having fun on us prior to the da vinci starting.

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mrshisname
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i'm chiming in, since I'm a nurse I've seen and heard it all...
and we nurses truly don't think a thing about these embarrassing situations...its just all part of our job.
I was once getting a patient up out of bed and told him to hold on a minute, I'd make sure his backside was covered. He said "Honey, everybody in this hospital has seen my backside, what is a few more?"
They say of women in labor that they have to open their legs so much, that the maintenance man could come in and they would automatically let them take a peek...so we all lose our modesty.
But seriously, I truly feel for you guys. I'd go thru all this for my hubby if I could. This disease truly SUCKS!

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gumbyrun
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I made the comment to one of my nurses while in the hospital that all modesty flies out the window. "Modesty yes, but we will retain your dignity."
I liked that.

bdhilton
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Speaking of shaving….When I asked the resident(with 5 years 9 months-it is a 6 year program after medical school) that assisted my surgeon if he opened/closed me up he said he "shave me"...He said my surgeon was very "hands on"...I found that interesting as I assumed that a teaching hospital would have the residents at least do the opening and closing but that was not the case as I understand for me....and I have got to tell you that my incision is a little less than 3" and hardly noticeable a week and 2 days after surgery…I guess time will tell

Best to all

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