Tweaking treatments

Kathryn_in_MN
Kathryn_in_MN Member Posts: 1,252 Member
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I want to post this in case anyone else starts out with a couple very rough cycles and is losing hope.

I didn't think I could do it again after cycle #1. I would rather die than do that 12 times. I'd rather have colon resection surgery every two weeks, than chemo every two weeks. (Got bad thrush throughout entire GI tract and mouth, nausea so severe I couldn't handle it, extreme neuropathy issues, and had an allergic reaction to Compezine.)

Cycle #2 went a little better. My onc took away the 5-FU bolus (push). I got Neupogen shots to bring my blood counts up. And I got the MIRACLE drug - Emend. For anyone with extreme nausea or vomiting issues I highly recommend pushing for this drug. (Got thrush again, entire GI and mouth, and the extreme neuropathy, but although bad, the nausea was much better than the first one.)

Cycle #3 - MUCH better so far. Today I get my pump disconnected. I'm feeling really pretty crappy. But compared to the first two cycles, this is doable. Yesterday on the pump I worked a full day! Today I'm more tired, but I planned to be able to mostly rest on the weekends. My onc agreed to remove the 5-FU bolus permanently. He said the studies don't show that is gives a lot of extra benefit anyway, so it is the easiest way to adjust my amounts down a bit, since I'm having trouble with blood counts. We pushed my oxaliplatin infusion time out to double - 4 hours instead of 2. This made a big difference in the neuropathy issues. I think we still need to push to 5 or 6 hours, but this is still a big improvement so far. And I'll continue to get Neupogen shots - probably every time. Also, after realizing that I get constipated the first 4 days, I took a stool softener/laxitive day 1 and 2, and I'll do one again day 3. This is making a huge difference too. I really pushed fluids harder than normal day 1 and 2, knowing how hard it gets for me. I think this is making a difference as well. Today I can't eat much, and I'm trying with the fluids, but they are going down slower. I'm trying.

So no matter how awful things are at the start, you can tweak things to make them better. I know everything is cummulative, and other issues can pop up, and you need to tweak some more. But just be aware that if you speak up about anything that you just can't tolerate, something can be done to make it tolerable for you.

I worry that some of my posts after Tx #1 and #2 might scare someone just starting chemo. So I wanted to also post how changes can help.

I am still VERY thankful to those that encouraged me to hope for the best, but plan for the worst, just in case. It made a huge difference for me to have Plan B if things didn't go as easy as I thought they would.

Comments

  • Muzzy
    Muzzy Member Posts: 175 Member
    after everthing
    After everything you have gone thru and you can still be positive.
    You are a saint. You are alway in my prayer. thank you for being a great role model for those who are going thru it. Mine was not nearly as rough as your and i glad i done.
    jeff
    just happy to be here!
  • KATE58
    KATE58 Member Posts: 299
    I HAD 24 CYCLES OF
    I HAD 24 CYCLES OF FOLFOX,DID NOT GET THE THRUSH,BUT THE
    PERIPHERAL NEUROPATHY AND NAUSEA WAS REALLY ROUGH,THEY CUT BACK ON MY DOSE,AND THAT MADE IT A LITTLE MORE TOLERABLE.
    I FEEL BAD FOR YOU 'CAUSE I REMEMBER ALL THAT NEUROPATHY AND CRAP
    BUT HANG IN THERE IT WILL SOON BE OVER AND SO FAR NONE OF THE OTHER DRUGS I'VE HAD,HAVE BEEN AS BAD.
    I DON'T KNOW ABOUT COLON RESECTION AS I HAD MY ENTIRE COLON REMOVED ALONG WITH ALL MY FEMALE PARTS AND SEVERAL OTHER ORGANS. THAT WAS ROUGH.

    I HAD 6 MONTHS OF AVASTIN AND THEN A LIVER RESECTION.
    AFTER A YEAR OF ORAL CHEMO(XELODA)AND 6 MONTHS OF ERBITUX,I'VE BEEN ON A 4 MONTH BREAK,
    AND I'M FEELING GREAT, BUT HAVE TO START FOLFIRI(IRINATECAN)NEXT MONDAY BECAUSE OF A NEW TUMOUR. I THINK I'M MORE SCARED OF THAT THEN OF SURGURY.
    FROM WHAT I HAVE BEEN HEARING FOLFIRI HAS NO NEUROPATHY BUT THE NAUSEA IS WORSE THAN WITH
    FOLFOX.
    DOES THE MN IN YOUR MONIKER STAND FOR MINNISOTA? LORD, THATS NOT GOOD FOR THE NEUROPATHY !
    I REMEMBER WEARING GLOVES IN THE HOUSE 'CAUSE I COULDN'T TOUCH ANYTHING COLDER THAN LUKEWARM BUNDLE UP WELL AGAINST THE COLD!.
    GOOD LUCK TO YOU KATHRYN AND GOD BLESS
    KATE
  • Steve Z
    Steve Z Member Posts: 51
    Great News
    I'm glad to hear you are doing better. You certainly have endured a lot more than I have. I'm curious how your jaw pain is going? They extended my infusion to 4 hours for my second cycle and added a Benedryl drip up front, but it didn't touch the pain.
  • Kathryn_in_MN
    Kathryn_in_MN Member Posts: 1,252 Member
    Steve Z said:

    Great News
    I'm glad to hear you are doing better. You certainly have endured a lot more than I have. I'm curious how your jaw pain is going? They extended my infusion to 4 hours for my second cycle and added a Benedryl drip up front, but it didn't touch the pain.

    Steve -
    The jaw pain was

    Steve -

    The jaw pain was lessened by moving out the infusion time. I still have it, but all of my facial and neck/throat sypmtoms are less than the first two times. But I ended up with severe hand cramping. I couldn't hardly use my right hand yesterday. Today it is better.

    An update on this cycle:
    Yesterday was a very tough day. I think I'll have to figure on Mondays (#5) being my worst. That is the day I switch from constipation to diarrhea, and it is beyond severe. I couldn't keep pills down - Zofran was no help. Immodium was no help. Plus it is my very lowest energy day. I think I'm going to ask that they give me IV anti-nausea on Mondays when I get my fluids and Neupogen shot. Then maybe I'd be good enough to keep Immodium down when I need it.
  • geotina
    geotina Member Posts: 2,111 Member

    Steve -
    The jaw pain was

    Steve -

    The jaw pain was lessened by moving out the infusion time. I still have it, but all of my facial and neck/throat sypmtoms are less than the first two times. But I ended up with severe hand cramping. I couldn't hardly use my right hand yesterday. Today it is better.

    An update on this cycle:
    Yesterday was a very tough day. I think I'll have to figure on Mondays (#5) being my worst. That is the day I switch from constipation to diarrhea, and it is beyond severe. I couldn't keep pills down - Zofran was no help. Immodium was no help. Plus it is my very lowest energy day. I think I'm going to ask that they give me IV anti-nausea on Mondays when I get my fluids and Neupogen shot. Then maybe I'd be good enough to keep Immodium down when I need it.

    IV anti nausea
    George did very well with the IV anti nausea (Anzamet). He never took any pills and did not have any nausea. Maybe that will help. Just a thought - Tina
  • thready
    thready Member Posts: 474
    Plan b
    Kathryn,
    "life is all about plan B"- by Anonymous.

    Thanks for posting. I do treatment #3 starting tomorrow. Wish me luck!
    Jan