Johns Hopkins opinion

luv3jay
luv3jay Member Posts: 533 Member
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
Hello all!

Well, as you know I've been being treated at Georgetown Hospital since the beginning. And even though that is a major cancer center, I decided to go to Johns Hopkins for a 2nd opinion on treatment. WELL...they had nothing new to offer me. The doctor basically said that he would not have done anything different in the past, nor would he have any different plans for the short term future plans other than what GUH is doing. He actually had really good things to say about GUH and the doctor who is treating me there. Now, let me tell you...Johns Hopkins cancer center was AMAZING...to say the least! Everything was state of the art! Really, if I had the opportunity in the beginning to chose between the two, they would have won hands down! Just the look and feel of the place was phenominal! But with that said, I was really actually very glad to hear that they feel my course of treatment has been the best so far! And he felt that the clinical trial vaccines they have going on at GUH are wonderful. So I'm waiting to get rid of this last remaining cancer in my body so I can start one of those.

Now, I did ask him about Dr. Cantrell, since Lisa's post said that Dr. Cantrell said they contacted him. He said he's never heard of him. So then I asked him about the protocol. He said that Interferon used to be used to treat colorectal cancer back in the day, but the newer drugs are way better and he would not recommend going backwards. I also asked him about lovastatin, he wasn't familiar with that drug. But from reading different posts, I think most oncologists don't really buy into Dr. Cantrell's treatment. I can't wait to see what happens with Lisa! If we start having good results with the treatments then maybe these other oncologists will sit up and take notice!

Anyway, that is it for me...just wanted to keep you guys up to date with my treatment plan!

-Sheri
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  • Buzzard
    Buzzard Member Posts: 3,043 Member
    Thanks....
    It sounds as if you are your best advocate for your treatment....Your doing great girl..Keep up the good work and thank you for keeping us enlightened on your progress. Its all about being part of this family..... :)......Clift
  • robinvan
    robinvan Member Posts: 1,012
    Hi Sheri
    It is good to know you are getting the right treatment. Thanks for the update.

    Rob; in Vancouver
  • maglets
    maglets Member Posts: 2,576 Member
    robinvan said:

    Hi Sheri
    It is good to know you are getting the right treatment. Thanks for the update.

    Rob; in Vancouver

    Hi Sheri
    good for you going and getting another opinion but isn't that great they agree with what you have already done. Yaaay that's good news.

    thanks for the news...

    mags
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    hi
    Hi Sheri,

    I'm so glad that you got this second opinion and that they validated that you've already been getting the right treatment, and that they wouldn't have done anything differently. I think it was worth it for you just to go and hear that from them!

    I can't wait to see "what happens with Lisa" too! :)
    Hearing about so many doctors who haven't heard of Cantrell or with mixing the Lovastatin and interferon does make me a bit nervous, but I'm still convinced it's worth trying. Cantrell conceded that interferon was not successful in the past, but that the combination of the Lovastatin/interferon is what makes all the difference. I don't know who he spoke to at John Hopkins, but it obviously wasn't the doctor you spoke with! Cantrell said it wasn't anything official, just one man from there who contacted him- he didn't say who he was- probably someone in the research dept, I'd imagine though. Interesting that he had never heard of lovastatin. My own oncologist, who is supportive of me going to Cantrell, said it sounds like we'll be hearing more about this in the future & that there is some research going on about it, although no clinical trials yet with it.

    Again, I'm glad for your good appointment and confirming news. :)
    You take care, Sheri, and have a great day and week!

    Lisa
  • bhop
    bhop Member Posts: 2
    lisa42 said:

    hi
    Hi Sheri,

    I'm so glad that you got this second opinion and that they validated that you've already been getting the right treatment, and that they wouldn't have done anything differently. I think it was worth it for you just to go and hear that from them!

    I can't wait to see "what happens with Lisa" too! :)
    Hearing about so many doctors who haven't heard of Cantrell or with mixing the Lovastatin and interferon does make me a bit nervous, but I'm still convinced it's worth trying. Cantrell conceded that interferon was not successful in the past, but that the combination of the Lovastatin/interferon is what makes all the difference. I don't know who he spoke to at John Hopkins, but it obviously wasn't the doctor you spoke with! Cantrell said it wasn't anything official, just one man from there who contacted him- he didn't say who he was- probably someone in the research dept, I'd imagine though. Interesting that he had never heard of lovastatin. My own oncologist, who is supportive of me going to Cantrell, said it sounds like we'll be hearing more about this in the future & that there is some research going on about it, although no clinical trials yet with it.

    Again, I'm glad for your good appointment and confirming news. :)
    You take care, Sheri, and have a great day and week!

    Lisa

    None
    Hi Lisa,

    This is Ben Park one of the breast medical oncologists at Johns Hopkins. Our marketing people pointed this post out to us because Sheri had such a great experience which we are all happy to hear. However, in reading further, I am concerned regarding the therapies that you will be receiving. If you would like to discuss, please email me at bpark2@jhmi.edu.

    Warmest regards,

    Ben
  • grammadebbie
    grammadebbie Member Posts: 464
    lisa42 said:

    hi
    Hi Sheri,

    I'm so glad that you got this second opinion and that they validated that you've already been getting the right treatment, and that they wouldn't have done anything differently. I think it was worth it for you just to go and hear that from them!

    I can't wait to see "what happens with Lisa" too! :)
    Hearing about so many doctors who haven't heard of Cantrell or with mixing the Lovastatin and interferon does make me a bit nervous, but I'm still convinced it's worth trying. Cantrell conceded that interferon was not successful in the past, but that the combination of the Lovastatin/interferon is what makes all the difference. I don't know who he spoke to at John Hopkins, but it obviously wasn't the doctor you spoke with! Cantrell said it wasn't anything official, just one man from there who contacted him- he didn't say who he was- probably someone in the research dept, I'd imagine though. Interesting that he had never heard of lovastatin. My own oncologist, who is supportive of me going to Cantrell, said it sounds like we'll be hearing more about this in the future & that there is some research going on about it, although no clinical trials yet with it.

    Again, I'm glad for your good appointment and confirming news. :)
    You take care, Sheri, and have a great day and week!

    Lisa

    Wow- people really do care
    Hi Lisa,

    I was really pleased to see the post from "Ben", sounds like another door is opening for you to get more information. I know this is very important for you to be able to evaluate everything from several different perspectives. I will be praying for you. Thanks for letting us in on your journey. You are very brave and tenacious in your fight against this monster. I think of you often and admire and respect you. Big hugs to you.

    Blessings to all,

    Debbie (gramma)
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member

    Wow- people really do care
    Hi Lisa,

    I was really pleased to see the post from "Ben", sounds like another door is opening for you to get more information. I know this is very important for you to be able to evaluate everything from several different perspectives. I will be praying for you. Thanks for letting us in on your journey. You are very brave and tenacious in your fight against this monster. I think of you often and admire and respect you. Big hugs to you.

    Blessings to all,

    Debbie (gramma)

    I will follow through
    Debbie,

    I just read the post from him above, and I will follow through and email him.

    Thanks,
    Lisa
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    lisa42 said:

    I will follow through
    Debbie,

    I just read the post from him above, and I will follow through and email him.

    Thanks,
    Lisa

    Follow your heart
    Advice is always welcomed, and I'm sure you welcome the advice
    from a specialist from such a great well-known facility....

    But you should weigh your own feelings regarding the path you
    decided to take. It was a new path, unlike the old beaten paths
    that left so many lost.

    Don't let fear alone cause you to stray, think things out carefully.

    Wishing you the best......
  • Kathryn_in_MN
    Kathryn_in_MN Member Posts: 1,252 Member
    It is nice
    Nice to get reassured that so far the choices have all been the best ones for you, and that the future plans are the best too.
  • dorookie
    dorookie Member Posts: 1,731 Member
    lisa42 said:

    I will follow through
    Debbie,

    I just read the post from him above, and I will follow through and email him.

    Thanks,
    Lisa

    Please keep us informed
    Lisa,
    Please let us know all the great info you get from Ben. It will be very interesting to hear what he has to say. Keeping you in my prayers.

    Love
    Beth
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    I will
    I will let you all know what this doctor Ben has to say. I emailed him right away with the questions of what he would like to let me know & what his concerns are, as well as my own history, current situation, and what the likely treatment plan w/ Dr. Cantrell would be. I haven't gotten a reply yet. I'm sure he's busy, but I'm hoping I'll hear within this next day or two & then I'll certainly report back to all of you.

    Lisa
  • bhop
    bhop Member Posts: 2
    lisa42 said:

    I will
    I will let you all know what this doctor Ben has to say. I emailed him right away with the questions of what he would like to let me know & what his concerns are, as well as my own history, current situation, and what the likely treatment plan w/ Dr. Cantrell would be. I haven't gotten a reply yet. I'm sure he's busy, but I'm hoping I'll hear within this next day or two & then I'll certainly report back to all of you.

    Lisa

    Hi from Hopkins
    Hi Lisa,

    I did not receive an email from you which is why I checked back to this post. Could you please resend to bpark2@jhmi.edu

    Thanks very much.

    Warmest regards,

    Ben Ho Park, M.D., Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Oncology
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    bhop said:

    Hi from Hopkins
    Hi Lisa,

    I did not receive an email from you which is why I checked back to this post. Could you please resend to bpark2@jhmi.edu

    Thanks very much.

    Warmest regards,

    Ben Ho Park, M.D., Ph.D.
    Associate Professor of Oncology

    To Ben Ho Park from Hopkins
    Hello Ben,

    I did send you an email & my outbox shows it was sent successfully, but you never know what happens in cyberspace! I'll send another as soon as I finish writing this- please do let me know again if you do not receive it. You can also send me a PM (private message) on this site by going to "CSN Home", then "new email", then address the message to lisa42. I'm actually going to send you both a PM from this site and another regular email to your above named email address.

    Lisa
  • luv3jay
    luv3jay Member Posts: 533 Member
    lisa42 said:

    To Ben Ho Park from Hopkins
    Hello Ben,

    I did send you an email & my outbox shows it was sent successfully, but you never know what happens in cyberspace! I'll send another as soon as I finish writing this- please do let me know again if you do not receive it. You can also send me a PM (private message) on this site by going to "CSN Home", then "new email", then address the message to lisa42. I'm actually going to send you both a PM from this site and another regular email to your above named email address.

    Lisa

    WOW!
    Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I'm also glad to see the post from Dr. Ben. It's nice to know that other docs are concerned even if they aren't the ones treating you. Thanks, Dr. Ben! Lisa, you know you are in my thoughts and prayers always. Keep us posted.

    -Sheri
  • luv3jay
    luv3jay Member Posts: 533 Member
    lisa42 said:

    To Ben Ho Park from Hopkins
    Hello Ben,

    I did send you an email & my outbox shows it was sent successfully, but you never know what happens in cyberspace! I'll send another as soon as I finish writing this- please do let me know again if you do not receive it. You can also send me a PM (private message) on this site by going to "CSN Home", then "new email", then address the message to lisa42. I'm actually going to send you both a PM from this site and another regular email to your above named email address.

    Lisa

    WOW!
    Thank you everyone for your well wishes. I'm also glad to see the post from Dr. Ben. It's nice to know that other docs are concerned even if they aren't the ones treating you. Thanks, Dr. Ben! Lisa, you know you are in my thoughts and prayers always. Keep us posted.

    -Sheri
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    heard back from Dr. Ben from John Hopkins
    Hi Everyone,

    I thought I'd report back to you all who are interested, that I did hear back on my email from Dr. Ben from John Hopkins. He had commented above that he was concerned about me going to see Dr. Cantrell. *BTW, DAN R pm'd me and said he had his appt w/ Dr. Cantrell over the past 2 days & really liked him and has started treatment. I'm hoping Dan will report to us as he gets into the treatment more on his side effects and, of course, on his progress on the treatment.

    Anyhow, Ben from Hopkins wrote to me saying he was concerned over the fact that Dr. Cantrell was not trained as an oncologist, but was a facial surgeon. This is true, actually, but I believe he has done lots of research and seemed very, very knowledgeable about cancer and the many types of treatments currently in use. He also was concerned about the amount of money I'd be having to pay. I pointed out that I really don't think it will be that much at all- probably far less than a lot of people are paying for the "standard" treatments ($950 for the initial 2 day appt, $200-300 for follow up appts every 2-3 months, and that the medication is not that expensive and some insurances will pay for it). He pointed out that clinical trials are monitored carefully and that finding a cure for cancer in the future depends upon having carefully monitored clinical trials with the outcomes of patients followed up very carefully (i.e. how many are disease free after a year, what exactly does Cantrell consider as a successful treatment, etc.). I replied that I appreciated his concerns, but that I still am planning on going forward with this. I also pointed out how my oncologist is supportive of me doing this and feels the medications (Lovastatin and interferon) are relatively safe when monitored (which he will be doing for me, as well as Dr. Cantrell will be doing). Clinical trials may be monitored more carefully, but if I'm going to do a clinical trial with unknown agents that I've never used before, the outcome of the clinical trial will be just as unknown as this treatment w/ Cantrell will be. In fact, I feel that since I've heard of and spoken to a patient and Dr. Cantrell about people already treated, that I know more about the outcome of this treatment than I would with joining a clinical trial. I plan on putting 10 weeks into it, then evaluate whether or not it's helping. If, at that point, it does not seem to be helping me, then I'd find a clinical trial to join. But I am doing this first.
    I am still appreciate of his concerns, but I was glad to read them and still feel good about proceeding forward with this. That's all-

    Here is Ben's response back to me after I replied to his most recent email:

    "Hi Lisa,

    Thanks for your email. I think you are making an informed choice and that's really all I wanted to make sure of. In this business there are many patients who are taken advantage of and I wanted to be sure that this was not the case with you and it clearly is not. I do wish you all the best and if there is anything I can do for you or your family in the future, please just let me know.

    Warmest regards,
    Ben"

    Have a great weekend everyone-
    Lisa
  • dorookie
    dorookie Member Posts: 1,731 Member
    lisa42 said:

    heard back from Dr. Ben from John Hopkins
    Hi Everyone,

    I thought I'd report back to you all who are interested, that I did hear back on my email from Dr. Ben from John Hopkins. He had commented above that he was concerned about me going to see Dr. Cantrell. *BTW, DAN R pm'd me and said he had his appt w/ Dr. Cantrell over the past 2 days & really liked him and has started treatment. I'm hoping Dan will report to us as he gets into the treatment more on his side effects and, of course, on his progress on the treatment.

    Anyhow, Ben from Hopkins wrote to me saying he was concerned over the fact that Dr. Cantrell was not trained as an oncologist, but was a facial surgeon. This is true, actually, but I believe he has done lots of research and seemed very, very knowledgeable about cancer and the many types of treatments currently in use. He also was concerned about the amount of money I'd be having to pay. I pointed out that I really don't think it will be that much at all- probably far less than a lot of people are paying for the "standard" treatments ($950 for the initial 2 day appt, $200-300 for follow up appts every 2-3 months, and that the medication is not that expensive and some insurances will pay for it). He pointed out that clinical trials are monitored carefully and that finding a cure for cancer in the future depends upon having carefully monitored clinical trials with the outcomes of patients followed up very carefully (i.e. how many are disease free after a year, what exactly does Cantrell consider as a successful treatment, etc.). I replied that I appreciated his concerns, but that I still am planning on going forward with this. I also pointed out how my oncologist is supportive of me doing this and feels the medications (Lovastatin and interferon) are relatively safe when monitored (which he will be doing for me, as well as Dr. Cantrell will be doing). Clinical trials may be monitored more carefully, but if I'm going to do a clinical trial with unknown agents that I've never used before, the outcome of the clinical trial will be just as unknown as this treatment w/ Cantrell will be. In fact, I feel that since I've heard of and spoken to a patient and Dr. Cantrell about people already treated, that I know more about the outcome of this treatment than I would with joining a clinical trial. I plan on putting 10 weeks into it, then evaluate whether or not it's helping. If, at that point, it does not seem to be helping me, then I'd find a clinical trial to join. But I am doing this first.
    I am still appreciate of his concerns, but I was glad to read them and still feel good about proceeding forward with this. That's all-

    Here is Ben's response back to me after I replied to his most recent email:

    "Hi Lisa,

    Thanks for your email. I think you are making an informed choice and that's really all I wanted to make sure of. In this business there are many patients who are taken advantage of and I wanted to be sure that this was not the case with you and it clearly is not. I do wish you all the best and if there is anything I can do for you or your family in the future, please just let me know.

    Warmest regards,
    Ben"

    Have a great weekend everyone-
    Lisa

    WOW
    I think he is awesome to have posted and written to you. Its nice to know he cares and he isnt even your doctor. I am also glad to see that doctors read this board, I think more of them should to really find out how we are doing and how things affect us. THanks for sharing Lisa, and I agree with you, go ahead to me its like you said its just like a clinical trial with some known results. I know if the cancer were ever to return for me, I would be seeing Dr. Cantrell too. Please know you are in my prayers and I look forward to hearing some great results. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help.

    Your Friend
    Beth
  • Holdtight
    Holdtight Member Posts: 151
    HI! Luv3jay
    Can you tell me what treatment your now on? And for what? This is all new too me and I might need to get a second opinion. Thanks.
  • jillpls
    jillpls Member Posts: 238
    clinical trial info
    Hi, you mentioned a clinical trial you are looking at. Can you tell me which one it is? I believe the cure lies in finding a vaccine to help your own body fight the cancer cells. Thanks for any info you can pass on
    JIll
  • John23
    John23 Member Posts: 2,122 Member
    jillpls said:

    clinical trial info
    Hi, you mentioned a clinical trial you are looking at. Can you tell me which one it is? I believe the cure lies in finding a vaccine to help your own body fight the cancer cells. Thanks for any info you can pass on
    JIll

    Immunotherapy
    Jill -

    It might be worth your interest to research: Traditional Chinese Medicine

    I have been using imported medicinal grade Chinese herbs with the
    hopes to keep my 3c/4 cc from killing me. (it's been 3+ years since my op)

    That aside, research (Google) Trovax

    Trovax is an Immunotherapy project from Oxford Medical (UK).

    They tested their drug to be used with very specific cancers, and to
    be used alone, not as an adjunctive to standard chemotherapy treatment.

    The drug managed to isolate the specific character of a cancer cell, and
    then "taught" the individual's own immune system to seek out and destroy
    those cells specifically.

    Although they had wonderful results from it, and have finally managed to
    get a major chemotherapy drug manufacturer to invest into it, to provide
    the capitol for testing..... the testing insisted upon, is to use it as an adjunctive
    therapy to chemotherapy drugs, and for cancers that it had not been
    previously tested for (or designed to work with).

    (The problem with that, is that chemo destroys the immune system, and
    the intent of Trovax was to use that immune system to do the fighting;
    the testing being done has so far shown very poor results) (I wonder why)

    The investor is still making "clinical trials" and "studies", and there may
    be one local to you.

    (Personally, I would attempt to contact Oxford directly)


    Better health to you!