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dasspears
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In a conversation with a friend of mine, I made the statement "God giving me cancer". She immediately said that God did not "give" me cancer. Rather, it appeared and God would cure it. So, who did create cancer or did it evolve? I found the comment rather lame - if we believe God created all then he created cancer or it evolved. So, which is it? It doesn't work both ways,

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Balentine
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We also don't know why some are healed and some are not. Our place is to trust that God CAN heal us and believe in His healing power because the New Testament is filled with stories of people God did heal and also raised from the dead so we know He is well able to do whatever He wants. I mean He actually 'spoke' the world into existence! However, if you remember the apostle Paul, he had an infirmity and asked God 3 times to remove it from him but God did not...instead He told Paul that 'My grace is sufficient for you'. It has been said that maybe this infirmity kept Paul humble and dependent on God...how many of us have a constant awareness of God's presence when everything in our lives is like a bowl of cherries? We draw much closer to Him and dependent on Him when there are things not so pleasant going on in our lives hence, we reach out to Him for help because we cannot control it. Therefore, in the midst of infirmity or adversity in life, God is with us to carry us through whatever the storm is and our place is to trust what He allows for His purpose and not try to figure out why.

be blessed!
Lorrie

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BethInAz
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Lorrie,
I can't PM you anymore. Are you all right?
Beth

dasspears
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I like having free will and personally, while I don't like cancer, I don't think the world is a cesspool either.

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I know that you initially started this thread dasspears. I agree that the world is not a cesspool, it's not perfect but people are in it so what do we expect? I know that you started the thread talking about God but there are plenty of people out there who do not subscribe to the same religion or the same God or even the idea of a/the God for that matter.

Cancer has been around ever since there were cells around. It's a mutation that occurs in nature. Some people, like myself, believe in evolution. There have been mutations that have been good (like us losing our tails) and others that have not been good like getting cancer. I can not fathom the idea of being given cancer or having it cured by a supreme being.

On another note, comparing religion to Christianity is like comparing religion or Christianity to spirituality. They are totally different things. You can be one and not the other and being one does not make you the other. To me the important one is spirituality, the others are man-made in my opinion.

dasspears
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spiritual not religious. I made my original comment over lunch to a "born again" and that what her reply. If God created all, then why didn't he also create cancer? Maybe it does serve a purpose? I don't know...

sal314
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LOL. OK...maybe "cesspool" was a poor choice of words? But what else do you call a world that was suppose to be "perfect" and is now full of death, disease, crime, murder, et.???? Guess you could just say a major screw up!:)

Sally

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chenheart
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This, in a nutshell is how I had it explained to me...

God created man and woman to live on earth, forever. He gave them a perfect, beautiful planet, completely equipped to sustain human life unendingly. There was no disease, nothing to prevent them from continued life. Nothing but choice, that is. They were told that IF they took from only 1 thing which God claimed as his own, they would lose their perfection, and the penalty to them would be they would forfeit the prospepct of living life forever on the planet. There was nothing magical about that one thing; it simply was a prohibition and perhaps a test of dependance/faithfulness/obedience to the one who created it all for them. They eventually stole from God by taking the fruit from the banned tree. In the course of less than 1000 years, their bodies stopped working and they became what they had been before they had the breath of life breathed into them, namely the elements of the earth itself. During that 1000 year time, they had children, as did their children, etc etc. They, in the law of genetics, could only pass on what they themselves had~ and as now they missed the mark of perfection, humans inherited sickness and death.

Cramming more into that nutshell, I also learned that the Bible calls Jesus "The last Adam" who by giving up his perfect life ( which he had the right to keep) bought back what Adam lost. And that eventually, in some stream of time that God sees fit, the earth and its inhabitants will be restored to what originally was.

So, God doesn't cause, but does allow~ until various prophecies which are still unfulfilled come to fruition...

I am not saying if I believe this or if I don't. What I believe was not really the question, was it? Simply that this is what I once learned.

dasspears
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I have never heard of the "the Last Adam" but I'm not a Bible reader or believer. Too many contradictions in the book. If God being all knowing, why didn't he see the apple thing coming??

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chenheart
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I don't know! I don't have too many original thoughts! So, what else have I heard as to why an all-knowing creator didn't foresee this happening? It was likened to having a book and deciding to read it from page 1 to the end; instead of turning to the last chapter to find out how it all ends without reading any more of the book!

Just because we can, doesn't always mean we will..or something like that! LOL

sal314
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I'm just curious what "contradictions" you are talkiing about. Lot's of people say that but when asked "what contradictions?" they have a hard time coming up with them. Just wondering:)

And...God did see the "apple thing" coming! That the beauty of a God who gave us and Adam and Eve FREE WILL. He gave them the choice to listen to him and follow him, or go their own way! God wants his children to love HIM unconditionally as much as we want to love unconditionally. If we "force" people to love us, it isn't really "Love"!! God knew exactly what was coming, but created us to people who has free will. God said... "Love they Lord Your God with all your heart, and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength."~ Mark 12:30

God knows EXACTLY what has been, what is and what will be.

Best,
Sally

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sure_hope
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Does God Foreknow Everything Before It Happens?

God has often used his power of foreknowledge to warn the wicked of coming judgment as well as to give his servants hope for salvation. But does He use this power to foreknow everything, including the future actions of every individual?

The Bible says that “God put Abraham to the test” by commanding him to sacrifice his son Isaac as a burnt offering. When Abraham was about to sacrifice Isaac, God stopped him and said: “Now I do know that you are God-fearing in that you have not withheld your son, your only one, from me.” (Genesis 22:1-12) Would God have made that statement if he knew in advance that Abraham would obey this command? Would it have been an honest test?

The Bible also says that God repeatedly spoke of himself as ‘feeling regret’ over something he had done or was thinking of doing. For example, when He made Saul King of Israel (1 Samuel 15:11, 35) Since God is perfect, it cannot mean that he made a mistake when he selected Saul to be Israel’s first king. So it must mean that God felt sorry that Saul turned out to be faithless and disobedient. God's using such an expression in referring to himself would be nonsensical if he had foreknown Saul’s actions.

Also Genesis 6:6, 7 says that God “felt regrets that he had made men in the earth, and he felt hurt at his heart. So Jehovah said: ‘I am going to wipe men whom I have created off the surface of the ground . . . because I do regret that I have made them.’” God felt regret, grief, and even hurt because man’s wickedness had become widespread. The Creator regretted that it had become necessary to destroy all mankind except Noah and his family. This indicates that God selectively uses his power of foreknowledge.

The Holy Scriptures do not reveal that our individual future is foreknown in advance, but it does reveal that God has foretold two possible destinies for man. God gives to every man the free will to choose which destiny will be his. Jesus talked about it at Matthew 7:13, 14. He said that there are two roads one is “broad and spacious … leading off into destruction” and the other is “cramped … leading off into life.”

Two roads, two destinies. Our future is contingent upon our own actions. To obey God means life, to disobey him means death.

Sheryl

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what is wrong with evolution and God's creation going hand in hand? Why do they need to be two seperate things?

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