Extreme Emotional Distress

deneenb
deneenb Member Posts: 130
edited March 2014 in Colorectal Cancer #1
I want to start by saying that I hope this post doesn't portray me as being insensitive to the emotional havoc this disease creates for everyone involved, patient, caregiver, family, friends.

My father is stage IV but has beaten the odds given to him considerably. He remains NED and he actually feels better than he has in years. He has everything that he said he wanted in life. When we found out he had cancer I moved myself, my children, my daughter's boyfriend and my fiance up to my parent's house (it's a 2 family)so that he could be surrounded by those he loved. My daughter was expecting a baby in December and I knew that having that baby there every day would be amazing medicine for him and it has been. The stress of this new living arrangement eventually cost me my fiance. I made that sacrifice to help my father and I would do it again.

Well the dilemma is that my father is becoming completely unbearable to be around. He is alienating all of us. He constantly yells at everyone, he confronts the boys and tries to get them to hit him, he follows us around the house starting fights with us, he's calling me names, telling us we're all stressing him out and he wishes we weren't there. He tries to be the boss in my side of the house overruling what I tell my children. He calls my mother terrible names and humiliates her and tries to intimidate all of us. My mother took 2 months off work to help him and still is the one who cleans his stoma every day and bags him.

This is causing huge problems between my children and I because I try to defend him and they think I am putting them last even when my father is clearly and completely wrong. We are all getting very stressed out and I don't know what to do. I love my father and I made the sacrifice of my freedom and independence at age 40 to give him exactly what he wanted. I have spent thousand of hours doing research on ways to continue his success. I never go out because I'm afraid of what will happen when I'm not there. He kicked my 17 year old son out of the house the other day for no reason. He's sane as far as we can tell but he is completely out of control with his attitude and temper lately. I invested $50,000 of my own personal money to remodel our side of the house to accommodate my family. Money that is now gone so I can't take it with me or I would seriously consider moving my family back out. He's causing all of us to fight with each other, him and I have had screaming matches to beat the band and he totally freaks out and chases me when I say I don't want to argue anymore and walk away. I'm losing my mind. None of us wants to dislike him for the rest of his life but he's pushing all of us away. My daughter won't even go on their side of the house anymore. My mother has asked him to take something for anxiety but he refuses to take anything or talk to any counselors.

What's going on ? Is this normal behavior ? What should we do ? Please help before my whole family is torn apart over this. I know this problem pales in comparison to what some others are facing right now and I'm sorry to be such a whiner.

Best Wishes,
Deneen

Comments

  • spongebob
    spongebob Member Posts: 2,565 Member
    Deneen -

    Woof! Sounds like you might need to get a social worker (or two or three) involved here to help get a handle on your dad's behaviour.

    Is there a family services center you can contact?

    Keep your faith and get some outside - professional - help.

    - SB
  • themis01
    themis01 Member Posts: 167
    Deneen it sounds like you all need a third party to help your family and your dad. I know money is now an issue so maybe there is someone out there that is affordable. Do you think your dad would go for that or be totally against an outside person getting into the family's business?
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  • scouty
    scouty Member Posts: 1,965 Member
    Oh Deneen,

    Your post sure does sound very familiar to me. Now understand that I am getting ready to come from my patient perspective and I have always been a very strong and stubborn individual. I too was stage iv last march and had the support offers to "take care of me". I rejected them all, since I thought at the time that I was perfectly capable of taking care of myself, just as I had for my entire adult life (and so far that has proved true). In the back of my mind, I felt it was a mind over matter thing and part of the chess match against cancer was all about feeding your spirit and your soul. My spirit had been all about nuturing and helping others before myself (that is probably one of the reasons I got sick). At the same time, I also knew there was possibly going to be a time when I might need more help later on. I did not want to "burn anyone out" before it was necessary. I had read too many times how these kinds of illnesses can rip a family apart. I didn't want any part of that.

    Chemo does stuff to your brain, especially the multiple drugs you get when you are stage iv. It numbs your senses, your feelings, your emotions, and what is within your spirit and soul over time. I had 4 of them. The drugs take their toll and expose parts of you that you don't want just everyone to see, no matter how close to you they are. It is almost humilating to you or at least that is what you fell like. I did the 4 chemo drugs for 8 months and the first 6 were fairly easy, the last 2 were brutal. They made me look sicker then I really was and I got sick and tired of everyone "walking on eggshells" around me. I lived by myself and was almost glad for it. Don't get me wrong, because I had family and loved ones around me, but I really didn't like the "look". The one where everyone treats you like you are dying and they just want to make you as comfortable as they can. I hated that look and the subsequent treatment. It made me madder then the cancer ever did, but it took a while for that to surface after I stopped chemo. It was like a delayed reaction against the whole experience. I knew deep down that I was not dying yet and resented the "pampering".

    I admire that you moved in with him and took care of him while he was on chemo, but now he is doing better and is probably just longing for his solitude again (like his life was before the diagnosis). Sure, it will never be the same, but solitude and recovery are all aligned with internal healing and I think he just wants some space.

    Try to keep the noise levels down. I personally know that while I was getting the chemo toxins out of my body, noise and too much activity irritated the **** out of me, unless I could plan for it. Once a week was plenty.

    Give your Dad some time and solitude, I think that is all he wants right now. AND, please do not take this as a slap in your face for your sacrifices. If you are truly there for him, you will understand. But, you will shed some tears as you get there. I personally think there is such a thing as "integrity in dying". It may not happen today but with this disease comes the reality of it all, especially when you are stage iv. Everyone deals with it differently.

    I agree with the others about getting some outside help too. He may need to talk about some of his internal emotions and I think it could help you too.

    I hope this helps and does not offend you in any way.

    Hugs to you,

    Lisa P.
  • nanuk
    nanuk Member Posts: 1,358 Member
    scouty said:

    Oh Deneen,

    Your post sure does sound very familiar to me. Now understand that I am getting ready to come from my patient perspective and I have always been a very strong and stubborn individual. I too was stage iv last march and had the support offers to "take care of me". I rejected them all, since I thought at the time that I was perfectly capable of taking care of myself, just as I had for my entire adult life (and so far that has proved true). In the back of my mind, I felt it was a mind over matter thing and part of the chess match against cancer was all about feeding your spirit and your soul. My spirit had been all about nuturing and helping others before myself (that is probably one of the reasons I got sick). At the same time, I also knew there was possibly going to be a time when I might need more help later on. I did not want to "burn anyone out" before it was necessary. I had read too many times how these kinds of illnesses can rip a family apart. I didn't want any part of that.

    Chemo does stuff to your brain, especially the multiple drugs you get when you are stage iv. It numbs your senses, your feelings, your emotions, and what is within your spirit and soul over time. I had 4 of them. The drugs take their toll and expose parts of you that you don't want just everyone to see, no matter how close to you they are. It is almost humilating to you or at least that is what you fell like. I did the 4 chemo drugs for 8 months and the first 6 were fairly easy, the last 2 were brutal. They made me look sicker then I really was and I got sick and tired of everyone "walking on eggshells" around me. I lived by myself and was almost glad for it. Don't get me wrong, because I had family and loved ones around me, but I really didn't like the "look". The one where everyone treats you like you are dying and they just want to make you as comfortable as they can. I hated that look and the subsequent treatment. It made me madder then the cancer ever did, but it took a while for that to surface after I stopped chemo. It was like a delayed reaction against the whole experience. I knew deep down that I was not dying yet and resented the "pampering".

    I admire that you moved in with him and took care of him while he was on chemo, but now he is doing better and is probably just longing for his solitude again (like his life was before the diagnosis). Sure, it will never be the same, but solitude and recovery are all aligned with internal healing and I think he just wants some space.

    Try to keep the noise levels down. I personally know that while I was getting the chemo toxins out of my body, noise and too much activity irritated the **** out of me, unless I could plan for it. Once a week was plenty.

    Give your Dad some time and solitude, I think that is all he wants right now. AND, please do not take this as a slap in your face for your sacrifices. If you are truly there for him, you will understand. But, you will shed some tears as you get there. I personally think there is such a thing as "integrity in dying". It may not happen today but with this disease comes the reality of it all, especially when you are stage iv. Everyone deals with it differently.

    I agree with the others about getting some outside help too. He may need to talk about some of his internal emotions and I think it could help you too.

    I hope this helps and does not offend you in any way.

    Hugs to you,

    Lisa P.

    I tend to agree with Scouty..I guess we are all stage four in a sense..some just live longer.But when it all hits you in the face at once that you are going to die, and everyone around you is smiling and healthy, you want to strike out at the unfairness of it all. He is going through a stage, and when the anger passes, things will be easier for all concerned. He is probably aware of this at some level. Hang in there and don't let him get the best of you..
  • CAMaura
    CAMaura Member Posts: 719 Member
    Dear Deneen,

    I agree that speaking with someone outside of the family would be a good idea. You know, cancer hasn't just affected your father, it has affected everyone in the family (and now house) - in many different ways. The love and the closeness of family ties also brings guilt, shame, fear and anger.
    Everyone needs a little peace, and peace of mind. And it is hard to find that peace when you feel that you are, instead, in the middle of a cyclone.
    Talking with someone will allow you to feel what you feel and say what you need to say to just be you....not daughter, or caretaker, or mother....just you. It might also give you insight to how your dad may feel - or ways to ask him. I would guess that your dad's ego, his independence and his sense of control have been so altered with his cancer that his emotions are ragged - even with his NED status.
    Most hospitals offer good social services; if nothing else, it will be a great place to start.

    Take care and know that it took courage for you to even post your frustration....hang in there and seek a little help.

    Hugs and good thoughts coming your way,
    Maura
  • bsrules
    bsrules Member Posts: 296
    Deneen,

    I know things are at the limit with everyone!!! Hang on!!!! I know when my husband Bob had that rage it was very dificult!!! It was a side of him that I had never seem full force and it can be very hurtful!!!! Bob wouldn't see anyone so I decided that when he went to his Dr. instead of just sitting and listening and writing everything down. When the Dr. was done even with Bob in the room as I had my seatbelt on so to speek I dropped the bomb on the Dr. and told him what was happening which was so out of context for him. Bob was upset that I told the Dr. but it needed to be done. He tlk to Bob about it and asked him to try taking something for the anotity and depression. He agreed to try it knowing that he had the choice to stop taking it. It helped him emmencely!!! Bob was a very independent person and never asked anyone for help and when he had no choice it took a while but when he had his full of everyone he was angry and hurtful all the time. I know it was from the disease and lossing his independence and self control. With the help of the medication and the social worker that I would talk to we got through it!!!!

    I know the situation is different!! I just want you to know that there is help out there for you, your family and your Dad.

    Hang in there!!!! Come back and vent or let us know how you are doing anytime!!!!

    Best Wishes and Prayers for peace coming your way!!!

    Sue
  • kangatoo
    kangatoo Member Posts: 2,105 Member
    bsrules said:

    Deneen,

    I know things are at the limit with everyone!!! Hang on!!!! I know when my husband Bob had that rage it was very dificult!!! It was a side of him that I had never seem full force and it can be very hurtful!!!! Bob wouldn't see anyone so I decided that when he went to his Dr. instead of just sitting and listening and writing everything down. When the Dr. was done even with Bob in the room as I had my seatbelt on so to speek I dropped the bomb on the Dr. and told him what was happening which was so out of context for him. Bob was upset that I told the Dr. but it needed to be done. He tlk to Bob about it and asked him to try taking something for the anotity and depression. He agreed to try it knowing that he had the choice to stop taking it. It helped him emmencely!!! Bob was a very independent person and never asked anyone for help and when he had no choice it took a while but when he had his full of everyone he was angry and hurtful all the time. I know it was from the disease and lossing his independence and self control. With the help of the medication and the social worker that I would talk to we got through it!!!!

    I know the situation is different!! I just want you to know that there is help out there for you, your family and your Dad.

    Hang in there!!!! Come back and vent or let us know how you are doing anytime!!!!

    Best Wishes and Prayers for peace coming your way!!!

    Sue

    I won't say any more...it has been said already Deneen. I would go for outside help.....whatever it takes. In fact I will admit that 6 years ago when my mum was dying of a brain tumour I wish I would have practiced then what I am preaching now. The situation back then was very similar to you. It broke up my family and the sad thing is it may have all been prevented with good counselling.
    We hope you can find a solution.
    love, kanga and Jen
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  • deneenb
    deneenb Member Posts: 130
    Thank you everybody for your suggestions. I really wish my Dad would speak with someone who could help him sort out his feelings. He just refuses to speak with any type of counselor. I've always been the one he would talk to. I guess in a way I'm the person in our family who everyone views as the "family counselor" but I'm in over my head on this one.

    Thank You,
    Deneen
  • CAMaura
    CAMaura Member Posts: 719 Member
    deneenb said:

    Thank you everybody for your suggestions. I really wish my Dad would speak with someone who could help him sort out his feelings. He just refuses to speak with any type of counselor. I've always been the one he would talk to. I guess in a way I'm the person in our family who everyone views as the "family counselor" but I'm in over my head on this one.

    Thank You,
    Deneen

    No doubt you are. But if you talk with someone, you'll get a better handle on things and how they affect you.

    Take care and best of luck. It ain't easy.......but something good will come of this.

    My mom's cousin used to always say: "Things are bound to change....They may become worse, but they will change." A little tongue-in-cheek....but true.

    Cheers,
    Maura