Cancer is where our fight should be....NOT GOD!!!

luvmylife
luvmylife Member Posts: 76
We should be focusing on how to demolish this damn disease not censor God. Taking prayer out of this board is wrong!!!!
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  • Kenny H.
    Kenny H. Member Posts: 502 Member
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  • Kenny H. said:

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    I agree with you for God
    I agree with you for God helps me daily in my fight.

    Patrick
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    I agree 100%
    So let's talk about cancer then.
  • luvmylife
    luvmylife Member Posts: 76

    I agree with you for God
    I agree with you for God helps me daily in my fight.

    Patrick

    Patrick - I don't know where
    Patrick - I don't know where I would be without my faith. I grew up in Derry, Northern Ireland where I saw a lot of religious suppression and I never want to live in that type of society again. I thank my grandmother and parents everyday for my faith and I will not allow it to be suppressed, especially on a cancer website.

    God Bless,

    Jan
  • luvmylife
    luvmylife Member Posts: 76
    PhillieG said:

    I agree 100%
    So let's talk about cancer then.

    Yes we can talk about cancer
    Yes we can talk about cancer but we can also ask for prayers if we need and want them for guidance to beat this damn disease.
  • dasspears
    dasspears Member Posts: 227
    PhillieG said:

    I agree 100%
    So let's talk about cancer then.

    What??
    This a cancer board? Who knew?
  • dasspears said:

    What??
    This a cancer board? Who knew?

    Irish Blessings Jan
    I totally agree with you that this website is for talking about cancer but we must be allowed to ask for or give prayers when needed. I guess I'm just wondering why this is such a big deal. It seems like people on here are affraid to mention God. Why?? Growing up in Northern Ireland you must be Catholic or Protestant although I believe there are less Catholic's.
  • luvmylife
    luvmylife Member Posts: 76

    Irish Blessings Jan
    I totally agree with you that this website is for talking about cancer but we must be allowed to ask for or give prayers when needed. I guess I'm just wondering why this is such a big deal. It seems like people on here are affraid to mention God. Why?? Growing up in Northern Ireland you must be Catholic or Protestant although I believe there are less Catholic's.

    Hi Patrick,
    It is nice to

    Hi Patrick,

    It is nice to talk to you, I'm sorry we had to meet here. I am Catholic but I have many friends and family members who are Protestant, Jewish and Muslim and ones who do not practice anything. I have been a mammo and ct tech for 26 yrs and have seen many new cancer diagnosis in my pt's and God is a big part of their cancer fight and he is a big part of our fight against my husband, Jimmy's, cancer. I really don't know why it is such a big deal to ask for prayers. This debate is so sad. I don't see how anyone can be offended and if they are then just ignore the posts that ask for prayer. I also think it's sad that people are uncomfortable with this issue.

    God Bless you,

    Jan
  • luvmylife said:

    Hi Patrick,
    It is nice to

    Hi Patrick,

    It is nice to talk to you, I'm sorry we had to meet here. I am Catholic but I have many friends and family members who are Protestant, Jewish and Muslim and ones who do not practice anything. I have been a mammo and ct tech for 26 yrs and have seen many new cancer diagnosis in my pt's and God is a big part of their cancer fight and he is a big part of our fight against my husband, Jimmy's, cancer. I really don't know why it is such a big deal to ask for prayers. This debate is so sad. I don't see how anyone can be offended and if they are then just ignore the posts that ask for prayer. I also think it's sad that people are uncomfortable with this issue.

    God Bless you,

    Jan

    Catholic too
    It's nice to see you are so strong in your will for God. As a Catholic myself I know it is our duty to always praise God. I am sorry to hear about your husband Jimmy I pray that he is doing well. I too am Irish well I am not from Ireland but my Great grandparents where both from the Emerald Isle.... My parents always taught us God first above all and that includes cancer and I will always put my love for God above cancer, it will not defeat me.

    God Bless you my Irish Sister in Christ,
    Patrick

    FYI as a Catholic did you know there is a Saint just for cancer?
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member

    Catholic too
    It's nice to see you are so strong in your will for God. As a Catholic myself I know it is our duty to always praise God. I am sorry to hear about your husband Jimmy I pray that he is doing well. I too am Irish well I am not from Ireland but my Great grandparents where both from the Emerald Isle.... My parents always taught us God first above all and that includes cancer and I will always put my love for God above cancer, it will not defeat me.

    God Bless you my Irish Sister in Christ,
    Patrick

    FYI as a Catholic did you know there is a Saint just for cancer?

    Phil, for Pete's sake,
    I don't understand why you have to post on the prayer board. You were and are always against prayer in the colon board, and yet now you want to change the prayer board to suit your needs. I found it quite amusing that you had to be the first to post on this board when it was created, now, you just have me at a loss!
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    Nana b said:

    Phil, for Pete's sake,
    I don't understand why you have to post on the prayer board. You were and are always against prayer in the colon board, and yet now you want to change the prayer board to suit your needs. I found it quite amusing that you had to be the first to post on this board when it was created, now, you just have me at a loss!

    Hi Nana
    Well, it's not a prayer board/forum for starters. Why on earth would you even draw that conclusion? I enjoy spirituality and comparative religion, that's why I post there. Just because I am against prayer on the colon cancer forum (and always will be) does not mean I am against it in a religion forum. I found it a great place to post questions about what people think may happen after we die, or if cancer's been all bad for you, and other issues that we face having dealt with cancer and to listen to and respond to interesting questions that other members have posted.

    I thought that having a religion/mediation/spirituality forum might help with the never-ending arguments that arise on here about religion. I thought, and still think, it's a great forum. Why is it so difficult for people to NOT post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum? I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer? Somehow we seem to have managed (mostly) to keep politics out of the forum but I have little doubt that it would divide along the same line as the religion issue does.
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member
    luvmylife said:

    Yes we can talk about cancer
    Yes we can talk about cancer but we can also ask for prayers if we need and want them for guidance to beat this damn disease.

    So....
    then we can't just talk about cancer after all.
  • PhillieG said:

    Hi Nana
    Well, it's not a prayer board/forum for starters. Why on earth would you even draw that conclusion? I enjoy spirituality and comparative religion, that's why I post there. Just because I am against prayer on the colon cancer forum (and always will be) does not mean I am against it in a religion forum. I found it a great place to post questions about what people think may happen after we die, or if cancer's been all bad for you, and other issues that we face having dealt with cancer and to listen to and respond to interesting questions that other members have posted.

    I thought that having a religion/mediation/spirituality forum might help with the never-ending arguments that arise on here about religion. I thought, and still think, it's a great forum. Why is it so difficult for people to NOT post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum? I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer? Somehow we seem to have managed (mostly) to keep politics out of the forum but I have little doubt that it would divide along the same line as the religion issue does.

    Phil I think what Nana and
    Phil I think what Nana and others is trying to say is that it's ok to use the word God and to ask for or offer prayers. To say why don't people post sexual preference on the colon site is silly. People do not believe or pray to a sexual preference they pray to God, Allah, Buddha or any other higher spirit in which they believe in. As a Christian I believe that God is helping me fight cancer not my sexual orientation. But I am not going to go down that road for what I have been reading talking about God is a NO,NO here and that's not why I am here. I love God above all else but for me this site is to learn how to beat cancer and yes it will be with God's help for me personally. If I want to talk about God I will go over to the Prayer thread and do it there but I will offer prayer to anyone who ask for it.

    Patrick
  • OGammy01
    OGammy01 Member Posts: 67

    Phil I think what Nana and
    Phil I think what Nana and others is trying to say is that it's ok to use the word God and to ask for or offer prayers. To say why don't people post sexual preference on the colon site is silly. People do not believe or pray to a sexual preference they pray to God, Allah, Buddha or any other higher spirit in which they believe in. As a Christian I believe that God is helping me fight cancer not my sexual orientation. But I am not going to go down that road for what I have been reading talking about God is a NO,NO here and that's not why I am here. I love God above all else but for me this site is to learn how to beat cancer and yes it will be with God's help for me personally. If I want to talk about God I will go over to the Prayer thread and do it there but I will offer prayer to anyone who ask for it.

    Patrick

    Prayers
    Well said!

    Diane
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
    PhillieG said:

    So....
    then we can't just talk about cancer after all.

    No Friday post then Phil? just blood sweat an tears ?
    Churchill dixit.
  • pepebcn
    pepebcn Member Posts: 6,331 Member
    OGammy01 said:

    Prayers
    Well said!

    Diane

    I'm a believer, yes a catholic believer, BUT l can understand
    those who are offended with those who try to impose their believes ,those who insistently give more importance to religion matters than cancer matters here, those who say that only God our lord will save you from cancer, those who preach more than suggest about how to feel well dealing with cancer or side effects! Honestly I don't like that at all!BUT,I can't understand that anybody gets offended for prayers! prayers sometimes are the only thing we have to offer to you , and we offer it with good faith , affection, believing that it will help you, that,s what we believe and we offer to you from the bottom of our harts.Along this months, I have seen desperate people ,searching for solutions, some time desperate solutions that probably won't work and they knew it, but they were desperate and in that situation anything is a window of hope!So why to refuse somebody,s prayers ?.
    Probably will not work too, but I believe more in prayers than in the leg of a rabbit on in the theory of a which in the middle of manhattan! Why to refuse it? Just accept it maybe it works!.LOL..
    Pepe ( low intensity Catholic). LOL.
    Just let me know if We are going to be tolerant, otherwise tomorrow some body cut be offended about jokes, and the day after tomorrow probably some body will censure my Friday weekend plan! So be careful , where is the limit?
  • lisa42
    lisa42 Member Posts: 3,625 Member
    PhillieG said:

    Hi Nana
    Well, it's not a prayer board/forum for starters. Why on earth would you even draw that conclusion? I enjoy spirituality and comparative religion, that's why I post there. Just because I am against prayer on the colon cancer forum (and always will be) does not mean I am against it in a religion forum. I found it a great place to post questions about what people think may happen after we die, or if cancer's been all bad for you, and other issues that we face having dealt with cancer and to listen to and respond to interesting questions that other members have posted.

    I thought that having a religion/mediation/spirituality forum might help with the never-ending arguments that arise on here about religion. I thought, and still think, it's a great forum. Why is it so difficult for people to NOT post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum? I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer? Somehow we seem to have managed (mostly) to keep politics out of the forum but I have little doubt that it would divide along the same line as the religion issue does.

    Phil- re spirituality board- maybe Greta can clarify here?
    "...I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer?" Your sentence there hit the nail on the head, Phil. (referring to the fact that CSN has separate boards for gays and lesbians with cancer, but their sexual preference issues don't get discussed on the main board like spiritual issues do). The reason why it's so difficult for many people to not post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum is because their beliefs ARE relevant to their cancer & how they cope with cancer.
    Your argumentative viewpoints in the past have been the very reason why I do not feel comfortable posting about my Christian faith on the spirituality board. I was excited when it was first formed, but the fact that a few people who seem very openly hostile to Christians are among the most active on that board- I don't need that stress and combativeness. I don't want somewhere to go debate, I want somewhere to share feelings, belief, and prayers, which is VERY relevant to my cancer- it is how I cope. So I stay off the spirituality board because it does not meet my spirituality need. I'm not saying it needs to change because I know some people want to discuss and/or debate it all and are of various different beliefs. But that's not me. So to say that people asking for prayer should take it to the spirituality board really doesn't work- I don't think it would work that way very well. Maybe it does, as I haven't checked the spirituality board out lately, but as I said there before, I did not feel comfortable there and did not feel a lot of people there who believed the same as I do.

    Ok- I said I wasn't going to get drawn into this explosion this time, but I guess I just did because it really upsets me seeing you post little jabs here and there. It's not that you're kindly pointing something out- you have a hostile tone about it all. This does not help people's cancer- it just adds stress and ends up having people leave the board.
    I'm sad about it all that it was brought to the forefront again. I realize many of the recent postings have been quite religiously explicit and I am not defending all of what was posted (I actually missed some, as apparently lots was posted and then got pulled, which I never saw all of)- BUT people sharing who they are and asking for prayer is therapeutic and can be about cancer, if it's talked about in that manner. (not preaching, as I know was much of the recent problem, but to ask people to no longer mention prayer- well, that's a selfish request. As I said before, I will only mention praying for someone if they ask for it or if I know they have similar beliefs as I do in that area. That should NOT be banned, if it has been- that is what I'm not sure of- I think I missed a few posts on what ACTUALLY was said or requested of CSN board members in the future.
    Lisa
  • Nana b
    Nana b Member Posts: 3,030 Member
    lisa42 said:

    Phil- re spirituality board- maybe Greta can clarify here?
    "...I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer?" Your sentence there hit the nail on the head, Phil. (referring to the fact that CSN has separate boards for gays and lesbians with cancer, but their sexual preference issues don't get discussed on the main board like spiritual issues do). The reason why it's so difficult for many people to not post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum is because their beliefs ARE relevant to their cancer & how they cope with cancer.
    Your argumentative viewpoints in the past have been the very reason why I do not feel comfortable posting about my Christian faith on the spirituality board. I was excited when it was first formed, but the fact that a few people who seem very openly hostile to Christians are among the most active on that board- I don't need that stress and combativeness. I don't want somewhere to go debate, I want somewhere to share feelings, belief, and prayers, which is VERY relevant to my cancer- it is how I cope. So I stay off the spirituality board because it does not meet my spirituality need. I'm not saying it needs to change because I know some people want to discuss and/or debate it all and are of various different beliefs. But that's not me. So to say that people asking for prayer should take it to the spirituality board really doesn't work- I don't think it would work that way very well. Maybe it does, as I haven't checked the spirituality board out lately, but as I said there before, I did not feel comfortable there and did not feel a lot of people there who believed the same as I do.

    Ok- I said I wasn't going to get drawn into this explosion this time, but I guess I just did because it really upsets me seeing you post little jabs here and there. It's not that you're kindly pointing something out- you have a hostile tone about it all. This does not help people's cancer- it just adds stress and ends up having people leave the board.
    I'm sad about it all that it was brought to the forefront again. I realize many of the recent postings have been quite religiously explicit and I am not defending all of what was posted (I actually missed some, as apparently lots was posted and then got pulled, which I never saw all of)- BUT people sharing who they are and asking for prayer is therapeutic and can be about cancer, if it's talked about in that manner. (not preaching, as I know was much of the recent problem, but to ask people to no longer mention prayer- well, that's a selfish request. As I said before, I will only mention praying for someone if they ask for it or if I know they have similar beliefs as I do in that area. That should NOT be banned, if it has been- that is what I'm not sure of- I think I missed a few posts on what ACTUALLY was said or requested of CSN board members in the future.
    Lisa

    One, two, or evennthree
    One, two, or evennthree people can't run this board! Well said Pat and Lisa.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member
    lisa42 said:

    Phil- re spirituality board- maybe Greta can clarify here?
    "...I don't see everyone posting their sexual preference. Maybe because it's not relevant to their cancer?" Your sentence there hit the nail on the head, Phil. (referring to the fact that CSN has separate boards for gays and lesbians with cancer, but their sexual preference issues don't get discussed on the main board like spiritual issues do). The reason why it's so difficult for many people to not post their beliefs in the colon cancer forum is because their beliefs ARE relevant to their cancer & how they cope with cancer.
    Your argumentative viewpoints in the past have been the very reason why I do not feel comfortable posting about my Christian faith on the spirituality board. I was excited when it was first formed, but the fact that a few people who seem very openly hostile to Christians are among the most active on that board- I don't need that stress and combativeness. I don't want somewhere to go debate, I want somewhere to share feelings, belief, and prayers, which is VERY relevant to my cancer- it is how I cope. So I stay off the spirituality board because it does not meet my spirituality need. I'm not saying it needs to change because I know some people want to discuss and/or debate it all and are of various different beliefs. But that's not me. So to say that people asking for prayer should take it to the spirituality board really doesn't work- I don't think it would work that way very well. Maybe it does, as I haven't checked the spirituality board out lately, but as I said there before, I did not feel comfortable there and did not feel a lot of people there who believed the same as I do.

    Ok- I said I wasn't going to get drawn into this explosion this time, but I guess I just did because it really upsets me seeing you post little jabs here and there. It's not that you're kindly pointing something out- you have a hostile tone about it all. This does not help people's cancer- it just adds stress and ends up having people leave the board.
    I'm sad about it all that it was brought to the forefront again. I realize many of the recent postings have been quite religiously explicit and I am not defending all of what was posted (I actually missed some, as apparently lots was posted and then got pulled, which I never saw all of)- BUT people sharing who they are and asking for prayer is therapeutic and can be about cancer, if it's talked about in that manner. (not preaching, as I know was much of the recent problem, but to ask people to no longer mention prayer- well, that's a selfish request. As I said before, I will only mention praying for someone if they ask for it or if I know they have similar beliefs as I do in that area. That should NOT be banned, if it has been- that is what I'm not sure of- I think I missed a few posts on what ACTUALLY was said or requested of CSN board members in the future.
    Lisa

    Prayer
    I have yet to see a request for thoughts and prayers cause a post to be flagged or pulled, but there are some who see ther role as that of preacher or evangelist and try repeatedly to become the boards own Jimmy Swaggert. In this last round, the one who started it told Winter Marie she was going to hell and that he had a book that proved it!

    Would you approve of members of the Westboro Baptists spouting their religious hate here?

    This is not a fight about silencing god, rather it is a fight to prevent zealots from driving out everyone who does not agree with them, all in the name of victimhood.

    Their are rules and codes of conduct to prevent this kind of takeover, and to leave this board open for all, regardless of belief.
  • Hatshepsut
    Hatshepsut Member Posts: 336 Member
    Buckwirth said:

    Prayer
    I have yet to see a request for thoughts and prayers cause a post to be flagged or pulled, but there are some who see ther role as that of preacher or evangelist and try repeatedly to become the boards own Jimmy Swaggert. In this last round, the one who started it told Winter Marie she was going to hell and that he had a book that proved it!

    Would you approve of members of the Westboro Baptists spouting their religious hate here?

    This is not a fight about silencing god, rather it is a fight to prevent zealots from driving out everyone who does not agree with them, all in the name of victimhood.

    Their are rules and codes of conduct to prevent this kind of takeover, and to leave this board open for all, regardless of belief.

    Measuring the effect of one's words...
    Buckwirth:

    Thank you for your post.

    I haven't posted here for a while but I do check in from time to time because I want to celebrate the health victories of people on this board and because I want to support those whose health is in jeopardy. I am forever grateful to those who helped and supported my husband and me when my husband was desperately ill.

    I came to this board several years ago because I needed information about medical treatment for my husband's stage four colon cancer. At its best, this board offered me a wealth of medical information, uplifting stories about personal battles with this miserable disease and genuine kindness. At the same time, I would be dishonest not to say that the need by some on this board to proselytize often made me feel uncomfortable and an outsider---the last thing I needed as I watched my husband lose his battle. At one particularly low point, I remember one particular post where the poster cautioned me to be careful of my words in opposition to proselytizing on this board because the poster warned that God might hear my post. I took that to mean (by implication) that the poster's God might worsen my husband's health or mine. I will never forget nor will I forgive the cruelty of that particular post.

    I believe in free speech. I oppose censorship. But, I also believe that people of good will should measure the effect of their words. My religion is kindness.

    Hatshepsut