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  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Just a two hour flight from the UK
    Hi Tex,

    I'm glad you find the picture inspirational. If you have itchy feet, Ibiza's only a two hour flight from the UK (although Scotland's on my list!!!). And thank you so much for the lovely compliment above.

    Ibiza
    Thanks, I'll check flights from Edinburgh and Aberdeen! My Wife has wondered about Ibiza but I'd better not show her your picture in case she changes her mind :)

    By the way, I hope your Husband's name is "Billy".

    Do you have any information you would feel able to impart about consequences in the medical establishment over there? In any case, I hope you are continuing to recover well.
  • One Lucky Girl
    One Lucky Girl Member Posts: 68

    Ibiza
    Thanks, I'll check flights from Edinburgh and Aberdeen! My Wife has wondered about Ibiza but I'd better not show her your picture in case she changes her mind :)

    By the way, I hope your Husband's name is "Billy".

    Do you have any information you would feel able to impart about consequences in the medical establishment over there? In any case, I hope you are continuing to recover well.

    Billy
    Tee hee Tex! How did I know that one wouldn't slip by you? Girl's gotta have a little fun...

    I don't actually know much about the medical care there, except that there are a couple of hospitals in Ibiza town. Happily for me, the closest I have come to a medical emergency there is cutting my forehead on my beach umbrella at Ses Salinas. Might've had something to do with those darned daiquiris... It is probably worth carefully researching the facilities before you go.

    Ibiza's really pretty -- best to avoid the package tourism enclaves and enjoy the real island. Maybe even go in May or September to avoid the throngs.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Billy
    Tee hee Tex! How did I know that one wouldn't slip by you? Girl's gotta have a little fun...

    I don't actually know much about the medical care there, except that there are a couple of hospitals in Ibiza town. Happily for me, the closest I have come to a medical emergency there is cutting my forehead on my beach umbrella at Ses Salinas. Might've had something to do with those darned daiquiris... It is probably worth carefully researching the facilities before you go.

    Ibiza's really pretty -- best to avoid the package tourism enclaves and enjoy the real island. Maybe even go in May or September to avoid the throngs.

    Billy and Ibiza
    What are the thongs like in May and September?

    I was actually being serious about the medical establishment in Switzerland but will fully appreciate if you want to regard that as a closed book.
  • One Lucky Girl
    One Lucky Girl Member Posts: 68

    Billy and Ibiza
    What are the thongs like in May and September?

    I was actually being serious about the medical establishment in Switzerland but will fully appreciate if you want to regard that as a closed book.

    Switzerland
    Tex, there you go again! ;-)

    Sorry, thought you meant Ibiza (Spain). Switzerland has private (but universal) health care. That means that everyone living in Switzerland must have health insurance, and that insurance companies can't refuse anyone for basic care (which is actually very good and includes prescription medications). Of course, the sky is the limit in terms of private coverage (but they do get you on pre-existing conditions).

    This was my first hospital experience but I think the standards are exceptionally high. Stays are generally longer i.e. you stay until you can look after yourself. For my Da Vinci procedure I was in 5 days, but had the option of staying for 10 (but I was eager to go home). Waiting times for specialists are very short (I saw 3 with no appointment).

    I'm not sure what else to add here, but I will try to answer any specific questions if I know the answers.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Switzerland
    Tex, there you go again! ;-)

    Sorry, thought you meant Ibiza (Spain). Switzerland has private (but universal) health care. That means that everyone living in Switzerland must have health insurance, and that insurance companies can't refuse anyone for basic care (which is actually very good and includes prescription medications). Of course, the sky is the limit in terms of private coverage (but they do get you on pre-existing conditions).

    This was my first hospital experience but I think the standards are exceptionally high. Stays are generally longer i.e. you stay until you can look after yourself. For my Da Vinci procedure I was in 5 days, but had the option of staying for 10 (but I was eager to go home). Waiting times for specialists are very short (I saw 3 with no appointment).

    I'm not sure what else to add here, but I will try to answer any specific questions if I know the answers.

    Switzerland
    I'm sorry if I'm actually failing to take the hint but I really meant to ask about the repercussions from the unconscionable way in which you were treated by the consultants who deceived you. I can understand if you want to treat it as just water under the bridge so I won't expect an answer on that but I hope we'll talk some more in future.
  • LISAinTN
    LISAinTN Member Posts: 143
    livealive said:

    Sweating
    I sweated and had to change every hour for 2 weeks after the surgery, my clothes were drenched..then as I dropped the vicodin, the sweating got better. Flip side, the body needs to expel the toxins somehow, if not the kidney is not 100%, then maybe the body finds another way...that's my own theory, usually wrong :-)

    But, what meds are you one ? If you don't enough salt, water retention does not happen and you sweat more...but most importantly, identify the meds...ask if you see a relationship.

    Thanks.

    None
    Raj,

    I'm not on any meds at all. I take some supplements and some melatonin for sleep.

    Who knows. I am so super sensitive to everything, maybe it's because a gnat flew backwards in front of me one day and it caused some sensitivity that started the sweating. LOL Nothing is normal for me. ROFL

    Blessings,
    Lisa
  • One Lucky Girl
    One Lucky Girl Member Posts: 68

    Switzerland
    I'm sorry if I'm actually failing to take the hint but I really meant to ask about the repercussions from the unconscionable way in which you were treated by the consultants who deceived you. I can understand if you want to treat it as just water under the bridge so I won't expect an answer on that but I hope we'll talk some more in future.

    Water under the bridge
    Hi Tex, Guess my blond roots are showing. I really didn't make the connection from Ibiza to my first two consults here in Switzerland.

    I won't be doing any more follow-up on that situation. I left it in the hands of the hospital to handle as they see fit (and I'm sure they will). My urologist has already signed off on my case, leaving me to the doctor who will be looking after my yearly ultra-sounds (alternating with yearly MRIs).

    As I read the boards and become more educated about kidney cancer and surgery, I have reached the opinion that many people have open procedures recommended to them simply because the urologist to which they were referred is not skilled in more complex laparoscopic/robotic procedures. In my opinion, patients (especially those with small tumours) should try wherever possible to consult with a urologist who is skilled in both areas to receive unbiased information. There is perhaps also an issue of patients being recommended for a full nephrectomy, when a kidney-sparing but more complicated partial nephrectomy is a viable option. (I'm not cynical, this is simply based on my personal experience). I think the urologist I consulted with really believed open was better, but it was inexcusable that he lied to me when I directly asked for a consult with a laparoscopic specialist before making a decision.

    That said, I am putting this behind me now. I don't want to end this man's career, I simply want that behaviour stopped.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    Water under the bridge
    Hi Tex, Guess my blond roots are showing. I really didn't make the connection from Ibiza to my first two consults here in Switzerland.

    I won't be doing any more follow-up on that situation. I left it in the hands of the hospital to handle as they see fit (and I'm sure they will). My urologist has already signed off on my case, leaving me to the doctor who will be looking after my yearly ultra-sounds (alternating with yearly MRIs).

    As I read the boards and become more educated about kidney cancer and surgery, I have reached the opinion that many people have open procedures recommended to them simply because the urologist to which they were referred is not skilled in more complex laparoscopic/robotic procedures. In my opinion, patients (especially those with small tumours) should try wherever possible to consult with a urologist who is skilled in both areas to receive unbiased information. There is perhaps also an issue of patients being recommended for a full nephrectomy, when a kidney-sparing but more complicated partial nephrectomy is a viable option. (I'm not cynical, this is simply based on my personal experience). I think the urologist I consulted with really believed open was better, but it was inexcusable that he lied to me when I directly asked for a consult with a laparoscopic specialist before making a decision.

    That said, I am putting this behind me now. I don't want to end this man's career, I simply want that behaviour stopped.

    Water under the bridge
    That sounds like a very well-reasoned conclusion. Assuming that the authorities do deal with the situation effectively, then the way you've left it is best for him and, much more importantly, best for you.

    I agree entirely with your analysis of the surgical options. Unlike yourself, I was in the anomalous position that my Urologist is a top expert in robotic surgery and we have the most advanced equipment at his hospital but mine was a case where a laparoscopic start led to an open finish to avoid running still higher risks. Lap. surgery and, particularly, nephron sparing approaches call for great expertise and, ideally, extensive experience. Therein lies the catch - Catch 22 - there have to be patients undergoing surgery from inexperienced surgeons if the latter are to gain the requisite experience!

    Not everyone can have it all. I suppose someone with a small tumour should, as you counsel, seek out a surgeon who could attempt the more conservative (but more difficult) NSS approach. Then, they should ask for the surgeon's success rate - even a comparative novice may be doing so well that they represent a good safe bet.

    The success rate in renal surgery is going to shoot up in the near future because of the new robotic techniques, for many reasons, not least the sparing of the surgeon from fatigue in long operations, with consequent effect on fine motor co-ordination and mental concentration.

    I hope you are soon back to your full complement of ultra-healthy physical activities and total good health.
  • Olsera
    Olsera Member Posts: 38

    IP6 Gold
    Olsera, I can't tell you anything about this and will be interested in any info. others here can proffer.

    However, on the general topic of food supplements and diet more generally, ACS has lots of material at e.g.

    http://www.cancer.org/Treatment/TreatmentsandSideEffects/ComplementaryandAlternativeMedicine/DietarySupplements/dietary-supplements-misconceptions

    and the many other pages accessible from there. Also, there are many sites offering info. on foods with angiogenic inhibiting effects

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=angiogenesis+inhibitors+foods&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&redir_esc=&ei=HKJYT-eMH4rw8QOw1Zn1Dg

    is a good starting point.

    I'm interested to see that green tea is good both for relieving depression and as an anti-cancer food, being anti-angiogenic.

    IPG Gold
    Thanks for the websites TW I will keep researching.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798
    Olsera said:

    IPG Gold
    Thanks for the websites TW I will keep researching.

    IP6 Gold
    Have you made any headway on this, Olsera? Thanks for drawing my attention to it since it contains much of interest to me.

    You may have seen ads for "Dr. Shamsuddin's original patented formula" which "represents a new standard for the purest and most potent IP6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate) and Inositol" which is enough to put anyone off taking it seriously. But that would be wrong. He was one of the authors of a very impressive paper from the Univ. of Maryland, published in 2003 entitled
    "Cancer Inhibition by Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Inositol: From Laboratory to Clinic"
    which was presented at the International Research Conference on Food, Nutrition, and Cancer, given by the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund International in Washington, D.C., July 17–18, 2003. It's very long and some parts will probably be impenetrable for non-experts but a few sentences give the gist, e.g. the Abstract which runs:

    "Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a naturally occurring polyphosphorylated carbohydrate that is present in substantial amounts in almost all plant and mammalian cells. It was recently recognized to possess multiple biological functions. A striking anticancer effect of IP6 was demonstrated in different experimental models. Inositol is also a natural constituent possessing moderate anticancer activity. The most consistent and best anticancer results were obtained from the combination of IP6 plus inositol. In addition to reducing cell proliferation, IP6 increases differentiation of malignant cells, often resulting in a reversion to normal phenotype. Exogenously administered IP6 is rapidly taken into the cells and dephosphorylated to lower-phosphate inositol phosphates, which further interfere with signal transduction pathways and cell cycle arrest. Enhanced immunity and antioxidant properties can also contribute to tumor cell destruction. However, the molecular mechanisms underlying this anticancer action are not fully understood. Because it is abundantly present in regular diet, efficiently absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract, and safe, IP6 holds great promise in our strategies for the prevention and treatment of cancer. IP6 plus inositol enhances the anticancer effect of conventional chemotherapy, controls cancer metastases, and improves the quality of life, as shown in a pilot clinical trial. The data strongly argue for the use of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for cancer prevention and treatment. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol at therapeutic doses needs to be determined in phase I and phase II clinical trials in humans."

    Later sections include:

    "IP6 plus inositol and patients

    An enhanced antitumor activity without compromising the patient's quality of life was demonstrated in a pilot clinical trial involving six patients with advanced colorectal cancer (Dukes C and D) with multiple liver and lung metastasis (78). IP6 plus inositol was given as an adjuvant to chemotherapy according to Mayo protocol. One patient with liver metastasis refused chemotherapy after the first treatment, and she was treated only with IP6 plus inositol; her control ultrasound and abdominal computed tomography scan 14 mo after surgery showed a significantly reduced growth rate. A reduced tumor growth rate was noticed overall and in some cases a regression of lesions was noted. Additionally, when IP6 plus inositol was given in combination with chemotherapy, side effects of chemotherapy (drop in leukocyte and platelet counts, nausea, vomiting, alopecia) were diminished and patients were able to perform their daily activities (78). Further controlled randomized clinical trials are necessary to confirm these observations.

    Other biological effects of IP6

    In humans, IP6 not only has almost no toxic effects, but it has many other beneficial health effects such as inhibition of kidney stone formation and reduction in risk of developing cardiovascular disease. IP6 was administered orally either as the pure sodium salt or in a diet to reduce hypercalciuria and to prevent formation of kidney stones, and no evidence of toxicity was reported (64,65,79,80). A potential hypocholesterolemic effect of IP6 may be very significant in the clinical management of hyperlipidemia and diabetes (75,76,81). IP6 inhibits agonist-induced platelet aggregation (82) and efficiently protects myocardium from ischemic damage and reperfusion injury (83), both of which are important for the management of cardiovascular diseases.

    Many potential beneficial actions of IP6 have been described. The inclusion of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for prevention and treatment of cancer as well as other chronic diseases is warranted. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol need to be determined in Phase I and Phase II clinical trials in humans.
  • Texas_wedge
    Texas_wedge Member Posts: 2,798

    IP6 Gold
    Have you made any headway on this, Olsera? Thanks for drawing my attention to it since it contains much of interest to me.

    You may have seen ads for "Dr. Shamsuddin's original patented formula" which "represents a new standard for the purest and most potent IP6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate) and Inositol" which is enough to put anyone off taking it seriously. But that would be wrong. He was one of the authors of a very impressive paper from the Univ. of Maryland, published in 2003 entitled
    "Cancer Inhibition by Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Inositol: From Laboratory to Clinic"
    which was presented at the International Research Conference on Food, Nutrition, and Cancer, given by the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund International in Washington, D.C., July 17–18, 2003. It's very long and some parts will probably be impenetrable for non-experts but a few sentences give the gist, e.g. the Abstract which runs:

    "Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a naturally occurring polyphosphorylated carbohydrate that is present in substantial amounts in almost all plant and mammalian cells. It was recently recognized to possess multiple biological functions. A striking anticancer effect of IP6 was demonstrated in different experimental models. Inositol is also a natural constituent possessing moderate anticancer activity. The most consistent and best anticancer results were obtained from the combination of IP6 plus inositol. In addition to reducing cell proliferation, IP6 increases differentiation of malignant cells, often resulting in a reversion to normal phenotype. Exogenously administered IP6 is rapidly taken into the cells and dephosphorylated to lower-phosphate inositol phosphates, which further interfere with signal transduction pathways and cell cycle arrest. Enhanced immunity and antioxidant properties can also contribute to tumor cell destruction. However, the molecular mechanisms underlying this anticancer action are not fully understood. Because it is abundantly present in regular diet, efficiently absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract, and safe, IP6 holds great promise in our strategies for the prevention and treatment of cancer. IP6 plus inositol enhances the anticancer effect of conventional chemotherapy, controls cancer metastases, and improves the quality of life, as shown in a pilot clinical trial. The data strongly argue for the use of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for cancer prevention and treatment. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol at therapeutic doses needs to be determined in phase I and phase II clinical trials in humans."

    Later sections include:

    "IP6 plus inositol and patients

    An enhanced antitumor activity without compromising the patient's quality of life was demonstrated in a pilot clinical trial involving six patients with advanced colorectal cancer (Dukes C and D) with multiple liver and lung metastasis (78). IP6 plus inositol was given as an adjuvant to chemotherapy according to Mayo protocol. One patient with liver metastasis refused chemotherapy after the first treatment, and she was treated only with IP6 plus inositol; her control ultrasound and abdominal computed tomography scan 14 mo after surgery showed a significantly reduced growth rate. A reduced tumor growth rate was noticed overall and in some cases a regression of lesions was noted. Additionally, when IP6 plus inositol was given in combination with chemotherapy, side effects of chemotherapy (drop in leukocyte and platelet counts, nausea, vomiting, alopecia) were diminished and patients were able to perform their daily activities (78). Further controlled randomized clinical trials are necessary to confirm these observations.

    Other biological effects of IP6

    In humans, IP6 not only has almost no toxic effects, but it has many other beneficial health effects such as inhibition of kidney stone formation and reduction in risk of developing cardiovascular disease. IP6 was administered orally either as the pure sodium salt or in a diet to reduce hypercalciuria and to prevent formation of kidney stones, and no evidence of toxicity was reported (64,65,79,80). A potential hypocholesterolemic effect of IP6 may be very significant in the clinical management of hyperlipidemia and diabetes (75,76,81). IP6 inhibits agonist-induced platelet aggregation (82) and efficiently protects myocardium from ischemic damage and reperfusion injury (83), both of which are important for the management of cardiovascular diseases.

    Many potential beneficial actions of IP6 have been described. The inclusion of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for prevention and treatment of cancer as well as other chronic diseases is warranted. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol need to be determined in Phase I and Phase II clinical trials in humans.

    Conspiracy paranoia?
    The more one reads, the more substance there appears to be in the thesis that those who benefit from the cancer industry are not over-eager to acknowledge any merit in natural, inexpensive, non-toxic alternatives.

    Indubitably there are legions of crooks and cranks out to relieve us of our cash but surely they don't look like this?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

    I'm reluctant to accept that all of this is tosh. Maybe this is wishful thinking but I will only be so persuaded when I see a convincing, evidence-based rebuttal in the medical/scientific literature.

    Can knowledgeable folks over there tell me whether Barbara L. Minton is a fruit-cake? She doesn't write like a total idiot and her piece on IP6 also makes interesting reading:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025975_IP6_cancer_treatment.html
  • livealive
    livealive Member Posts: 127

    Conspiracy paranoia?
    The more one reads, the more substance there appears to be in the thesis that those who benefit from the cancer industry are not over-eager to acknowledge any merit in natural, inexpensive, non-toxic alternatives.

    Indubitably there are legions of crooks and cranks out to relieve us of our cash but surely they don't look like this?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi39.html

    I'm reluctant to accept that all of this is tosh. Maybe this is wishful thinking but I will only be so persuaded when I see a convincing, evidence-based rebuttal in the medical/scientific literature.

    Can knowledgeable folks over there tell me whether Barbara L. Minton is a fruit-cake? She doesn't write like a total idiot and her piece on IP6 also makes interesting reading:

    http://www.naturalnews.com/025975_IP6_cancer_treatment.html

    Conspiracy paranoia
    I think we have to look at what motivates entities.

    Doctors are motivated by
    - cures
    - treatment
    - egos (reputation, etc)
    - money (but then would they become doctors v/s corporate managers)

    Pharmaceutical companies are motivated
    - money
    - reputation
    - shareholder value

    Patients are motivated by

    - cures (the simpler the better)
    - conventional medicine given by their doctors
    - alternative medicine (it's called alternative for a reason ?)

    Government

    - Re-election of the incumbent
    - Election of the aspirant
    - Money
    - Well being of the population so they can get re-elected

    I don't know where the lines are - I never thought of cancer, now it seems that's all I think, I told the surgeon, it feels like there is so much ambiguity and uncertainty about what he said, that I want to go back to school and research this myself, he brushed me off - saying top urologists cannot question what he has proven, I shouldn't even try. Admittedly, he is the best - can't question that, but given how overloaded he is, and how much nonsense they have to put up with (the socio-political-economical structure being broker), he has so little time to focus on his patient, then he has to do his research and publish, are you surprised they don't have time for this "quackery" ?

    They are trained a certain way, it takes effort to unlearn. It's inconvenient.

    There, more meaningless BS from me. Sorry.

    R.
  • Olsera
    Olsera Member Posts: 38

    IP6 Gold
    Have you made any headway on this, Olsera? Thanks for drawing my attention to it since it contains much of interest to me.

    You may have seen ads for "Dr. Shamsuddin's original patented formula" which "represents a new standard for the purest and most potent IP6 (Inositol Hexaphosphate) and Inositol" which is enough to put anyone off taking it seriously. But that would be wrong. He was one of the authors of a very impressive paper from the Univ. of Maryland, published in 2003 entitled
    "Cancer Inhibition by Inositol Hexaphosphate (IP6) and Inositol: From Laboratory to Clinic"
    which was presented at the International Research Conference on Food, Nutrition, and Cancer, given by the American Institute for Cancer Research and the World Cancer Research Fund International in Washington, D.C., July 17–18, 2003. It's very long and some parts will probably be impenetrable for non-experts but a few sentences give the gist, e.g. the Abstract which runs:

    "Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6) is a naturally occurring polyphosphorylated carbohydrate that is present in substantial amounts in almost all plant and mammalian cells. It was recently recognized to possess multiple biological functions. A striking anticancer effect of IP6 was demonstrated in different experimental models. Inositol is also a natural constituent possessing moderate anticancer activity. The most consistent and best anticancer results were obtained from the combination of IP6 plus inositol. In addition to reducing cell proliferation, IP6 increases differentiation of malignant cells, often resulting in a reversion to normal phenotype. Exogenously administered IP6 is rapidly taken into the cells and dephosphorylated to lower-phosphate inositol phosphates, which further interfere with signal transduction pathways and cell cycle arrest. Enhanced immunity and antioxidant properties can also contribute to tumor cell destruction. However, the molecular mechanisms underlying this anticancer action are not fully understood. Because it is abundantly present in regular diet, efficiently absorbed from the gastrointestinal tract, and safe, IP6 holds great promise in our strategies for the prevention and treatment of cancer. IP6 plus inositol enhances the anticancer effect of conventional chemotherapy, controls cancer metastases, and improves the quality of life, as shown in a pilot clinical trial. The data strongly argue for the use of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for cancer prevention and treatment. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol at therapeutic doses needs to be determined in phase I and phase II clinical trials in humans."

    Later sections include:

    "IP6 plus inositol and patients

    An enhanced antitumor activity without compromising the patient's quality of life was demonstrated in a pilot clinical trial involving six patients with advanced colorectal cancer (Dukes C and D) with multiple liver and lung metastasis (78). IP6 plus inositol was given as an adjuvant to chemotherapy according to Mayo protocol. One patient with liver metastasis refused chemotherapy after the first treatment, and she was treated only with IP6 plus inositol; her control ultrasound and abdominal computed tomography scan 14 mo after surgery showed a significantly reduced growth rate. A reduced tumor growth rate was noticed overall and in some cases a regression of lesions was noted. Additionally, when IP6 plus inositol was given in combination with chemotherapy, side effects of chemotherapy (drop in leukocyte and platelet counts, nausea, vomiting, alopecia) were diminished and patients were able to perform their daily activities (78). Further controlled randomized clinical trials are necessary to confirm these observations.

    Other biological effects of IP6

    In humans, IP6 not only has almost no toxic effects, but it has many other beneficial health effects such as inhibition of kidney stone formation and reduction in risk of developing cardiovascular disease. IP6 was administered orally either as the pure sodium salt or in a diet to reduce hypercalciuria and to prevent formation of kidney stones, and no evidence of toxicity was reported (64,65,79,80). A potential hypocholesterolemic effect of IP6 may be very significant in the clinical management of hyperlipidemia and diabetes (75,76,81). IP6 inhibits agonist-induced platelet aggregation (82) and efficiently protects myocardium from ischemic damage and reperfusion injury (83), both of which are important for the management of cardiovascular diseases.

    Many potential beneficial actions of IP6 have been described. The inclusion of IP6 plus inositol in our strategies for prevention and treatment of cancer as well as other chronic diseases is warranted. However, the effectiveness and safety of IP6 plus inositol need to be determined in Phase I and Phase II clinical trials in humans.

    IP6 Gold
    Hi TW,
    I am glad this is of interest to you. I haven't done anymore research so far as I have a very slow dial-up connection(I live in a rural area so I am still on dial-up)it takes for ever to accomplish anything on the computer. I have also been out enjoying all the nice powder snow we have been getting lately. What you have provided is very interesting though, thank-you. The first I heard about the IP6 was from my aunt she phoned me after she found out about my cancer & had to tell me about the IP6. Three people she knew one had prostate cancer, one had colon cancer with mets to liver & one had breast cancer they started taking the IP6 & when they went for their surgeries the cancer was gone & their surgeons were baffled. Sounds to good to be true but she was pretty adamant about it. Your research capabilities & knowledge amazes me by the way. If I learn anymore I will post it.