Does a post like this "there is healing in the name of Jesus" posted in the Cancer Forums hurt or he

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  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    PhillieG said:

    DKS
    I too couldn't believe the post that I read initially. Glad we agree ;-)
    I'm here because I enjoy hearing stories and I enjoy comparative theology.
    Why are you here? Are you somehow more "important" than the rest of us with cancer?
    Everyone faces death all the time whether we realize it or not...
    -p

    My Faith
    I go to oncology tomorrow and again on the 18 of January. I am stage 4 and have lived almost 9 years longer than the Dr's gave me and without medication. They again want to remove part of my lung. When God took the cancer out of my body, I was left with 7 nods in my lungs. I am not looking for sympathy, because I know why I am still here...
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    PhillieG said:

    DKS
    Sometimes I'll challenge people to think. I don't believe anyone's died from thinking (only from saying what they thought). I don't go looking for arguments either nor do I think I'm special because I've been on the site since 2005. I'm thankful I have good Doctors though. The only reason I was wondering about being new was that usually people edit their profiles to include their type of cancer, what treatments (if any) they've taken, or other words of wisdom. At the top of all pages in the light yellow area it says "Click here to create or update your member "About Me" page". Look for the "Edit" tab, it's next to the "My CSN Space".

    You do come across as being very arrogant and combative.
    I am not here looking for hope as much as I'm here to offer hope for others. Being someone who has Lived With Cancer for close to 8 years, I feel I'm in a position to share with others that cancer does not have to be a death sentence. It's very important to have a good medical team behind you, and if you happen to have faith in a higher power that certainly can have a positive effect on your outcome. Being one who was raised Catholic and went through 8 years of Catholic school, I've been an agnostic since my teens and I realized that every faith can't be right. I DO care about what others believe, mainly because the more you know about something the more you can find the common beliefs and common ground of which there are many.

    Joe did nothing more than follow your advice about reading your post, I really don't understand your attack. Calling this (forum) a battleground for "ones like Joe" and being a "warrior for the Lord" certainly does not make you come across as someone who would welcome or acknowledge the opinions of a Muslim, Jew, Agnostic, Buddhist, Hindu, etc with cancer. While you're free to believe what you wish (as are all people) and I see your conviction, I don't understand how people can think they know what the "TRUTH" is to a question that has no answer. And so the wars will continue until the Best God wins I suppose.

    Thanks for posting, the site's been dull lately.
    Good luck with your doctor visits.
    -phil

    GUARDIAN - God Unites All Races Denoninations In All Nations
    Thank you Phil, I guess I am combative and arrogant ( I never thought so, but I have wrong on many ocassions). I am not against other beliefs people might have. I agree with you on whatever brings them comfort. I just read about Joe and got my first lesson on CSN humility. Please forgive my arrogance and accept my apologies. This has been a long battle and I am back on the front line fighting again.

    David
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member

    GUARDIAN - God Unites All Races Denoninations In All Nations
    Thank you Phil, I guess I am combative and arrogant ( I never thought so, but I have wrong on many ocassions). I am not against other beliefs people might have. I agree with you on whatever brings them comfort. I just read about Joe and got my first lesson on CSN humility. Please forgive my arrogance and accept my apologies. This has been a long battle and I am back on the front line fighting again.

    David

    Hi David
    Thank you for your reply. Cancer's real scary at times and I know that I don't always show my best side either when something's going on for me.
    No need to apologize but thank you for doing so. Hang in there David and slay that Goliath called cancer!
    -phil
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    PhillieG said:

    Hi David
    Thank you for your reply. Cancer's real scary at times and I know that I don't always show my best side either when something's going on for me.
    No need to apologize but thank you for doing so. Hang in there David and slay that Goliath called cancer!
    -phil

    Hi Phil,
    I am looking for my sling shot...

    David
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member

    My Faith
    I go to oncology tomorrow and again on the 18 of January. I am stage 4 and have lived almost 9 years longer than the Dr's gave me and without medication. They again want to remove part of my lung. When God took the cancer out of my body, I was left with 7 nods in my lungs. I am not looking for sympathy, because I know why I am still here...

    Hi David

    I would love to hear your story, I had NPC cancer three times and the last time did not do any treatment except Alternative Treatment. When the doctors told me the odds, due more Chemo and may be get a year or two or don’t do treatment and only a few months. I believe God lead me to find just the right A.C.T. I needed because that had all been just about 7 years ago now. I go to MD Anderson in Houston Texas and the doctors are all puzzled about my case, my main doctors knows what I did but will not admit that it is what helped me. Faith can do a lot of things for someone who believes

    Wishing you the best my friend
    Hondo
  • Hondo
    Hondo Member Posts: 6,636 Member
    kokomc said:

    Preaching to people
    I would say that everything has its proper place and debating ones believe or faith on a public forum like CSN is not the way to help people who are going through trials in their life like Cancer. But praying for someone is a totally different thing. If pray can help someone and lift up their spirits keeping them motivated or focus with positive thoughts, why not pray for them.

    Being you are agnostic I would not expect for you to understand much about having pure Faith in God. When my husband was going through treatment we listen to what the doctors told us as they treated him. But we put our faith in God that he would lead the doctors to know exactly what to do to treat him. I also know of people who had tumors in their bodies, and were anointed by men of faith never receiving any treatment. When they went back to their doctors there tumor was gone, I know two these people so I know there testimony was true.

    There are things in life that no one understands and having faith in God is one of them. Don’t underestimate the power of prayer because you don’t agree with it. Just be open minded enough to know there are many mysteries that we have no idea of how or why they are, believing and having faith is just one of them.

    Mary

    Hi Mary

    Very well put, in the book of Hebrews it tells us what pure faith is. So for someone who does not understand what it is to believe, there is just No Hope for them. I can’t imagine how bad life must be with out hope in something better then this life. Also I find that all Atheist and agnostic are not the same. I worked for an Atheist for almost 20 years, and he knew the Bible just as well as I did. He admits that there is some kind of super intelligent, but his problem with it was where was he when he is needed. I tried to explain that too him but that is where the conversation always stopped and he sent me back to my office.

    Thanks for sharing
    Hondo
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    Hondo said:

    Hi David

    I would love to hear your story, I had NPC cancer three times and the last time did not do any treatment except Alternative Treatment. When the doctors told me the odds, due more Chemo and may be get a year or two or don’t do treatment and only a few months. I believe God lead me to find just the right A.C.T. I needed because that had all been just about 7 years ago now. I go to MD Anderson in Houston Texas and the doctors are all puzzled about my case, my main doctors knows what I did but will not admit that it is what helped me. Faith can do a lot of things for someone who believes

    Wishing you the best my friend
    Hondo

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  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member

    Joe "Sorry"
    I just read your profile and I want to say i am sorry for the remarks I made. You have been through hell and I am sorry for your situation. You are a Real man and I believe you hold alot of anger as to why? Just an (assumption) on my part and I know I've left myself open. We had a Bayside Hospital in Virginia Beach, I believe it has changed to Sentara Bayside now. Were you in this area when diagnosed?

    Everyone involved in a cancer patients life is tested, and the trials are sometimes severe.

    Your apology is accepted
    Your apology is accepted although I challenge the need to read my profile before making that apology.

    We are all here dealing with serious diseases, either as survivors or caregivers, and most of us consider this site to be a place to share our experiences, our emotions, and, in this particular forum, even our thoughts about more esoteric subjects, religion, existence, so that they do not 'pollute' the other forums. I do not write that derogatorily, but to say, simply, that there is a place for everything and this is the place for expressing belief and forcing ourselves to think about such matters, if we so choose.

    I think your acknowledgement of a certain humility is far more significant than an apology to me, although it is appreciated and, I think, well deserved.

    Otherwise, yes, my first biopsy was at Bayside in Va Beach, from which I was ambulanced to Norfolk General, and I am still in the area (not of the ambulance, but Va Beach :)).

    Welcome to the site. I wish you the best. (And I do not consider myself angry, not in the least, and have never asked why, not from day one: it is what it is.)

    Hope and Humor!

    Take care,

    Joe
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30

    Your apology is accepted
    Your apology is accepted although I challenge the need to read my profile before making that apology.

    We are all here dealing with serious diseases, either as survivors or caregivers, and most of us consider this site to be a place to share our experiences, our emotions, and, in this particular forum, even our thoughts about more esoteric subjects, religion, existence, so that they do not 'pollute' the other forums. I do not write that derogatorily, but to say, simply, that there is a place for everything and this is the place for expressing belief and forcing ourselves to think about such matters, if we so choose.

    I think your acknowledgement of a certain humility is far more significant than an apology to me, although it is appreciated and, I think, well deserved.

    Otherwise, yes, my first biopsy was at Bayside in Va Beach, from which I was ambulanced to Norfolk General, and I am still in the area (not of the ambulance, but Va Beach :)).

    Welcome to the site. I wish you the best. (And I do not consider myself angry, not in the least, and have never asked why, not from day one: it is what it is.)

    Hope and Humor!

    Take care,

    Joe

    I appreciate the response!
    I myself have never asked why either. I was born in Norfolk General and I am in Virginia Beach, born in Norfolk. I will explain my apology 'after' reading your profile. This is the first time in my whole life of 'cancer' to have been to any forum for cancer patients,survivors, etc. My experience on computer since we have had them is never trust anything or anyone until you know who they are. I felt vulnerable and by not knowing whether you were even a cancer patient (had not seen any profile, nor did I know there was one, until after the shooting started. I went back into survival mode, all my life I have always said I will die for three things; God, Family and Country and in any order.

    I was defending my belief's when I percieved your words as an attact on my faith. This does not give me the right to launch a strike against you and for that I am sorry, because I was wrong. I have always tried to be a humble person. You and I might even share friends in our area, so with that in mind, maybe we can start again for a mutual respect for each other's belief, and possibly become friends!

    Thank you!

    David
  • soccerfreaks
    soccerfreaks Member Posts: 2,788 Member

    I appreciate the response!
    I myself have never asked why either. I was born in Norfolk General and I am in Virginia Beach, born in Norfolk. I will explain my apology 'after' reading your profile. This is the first time in my whole life of 'cancer' to have been to any forum for cancer patients,survivors, etc. My experience on computer since we have had them is never trust anything or anyone until you know who they are. I felt vulnerable and by not knowing whether you were even a cancer patient (had not seen any profile, nor did I know there was one, until after the shooting started. I went back into survival mode, all my life I have always said I will die for three things; God, Family and Country and in any order.

    I was defending my belief's when I percieved your words as an attact on my faith. This does not give me the right to launch a strike against you and for that I am sorry, because I was wrong. I have always tried to be a humble person. You and I might even share friends in our area, so with that in mind, maybe we can start again for a mutual respect for each other's belief, and possibly become friends!

    Thank you!

    David

    Agreed
    And no more apologies are required :).

    I think we all carry some baggage when we come into a place like this, anger, frustration, anxiety, depression, fear, denial, the typical gamut of grief-related tendencies, one or more of them, and it is understandable.

    I was hostile myself when I first came in (in the Chat Room, where they were talking about everything BUT cancer).

    I am frankly not sure that your fervent faith and my not knowing will combine well, but, yes, perhaps we can become friends and even get around to a lunch or something.

    In the meantime, explore all that the site has to offer and think about making your own contributions.

    You are a survivor.

    Take care,

    Joe
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    PhillieG said:

    Hi David
    Thank you for your reply. Cancer's real scary at times and I know that I don't always show my best side either when something's going on for me.
    No need to apologize but thank you for doing so. Hang in there David and slay that Goliath called cancer!
    -phil

    Oncology Report 1-10-2012
    Pet Scan revealled NO CANCER, anywhere in my body!!! Taliked with Radiology Oncologist this morning and he was shocked, amazed and full of joy, also. Both say I am a walking miracle! Thanks Phil for the encouraging words on Goliath!!!

    David
  • Guardianone 2000
    Guardianone 2000 Member Posts: 30
    Hondo said:

    Hi David

    I would love to hear your story, I had NPC cancer three times and the last time did not do any treatment except Alternative Treatment. When the doctors told me the odds, due more Chemo and may be get a year or two or don’t do treatment and only a few months. I believe God lead me to find just the right A.C.T. I needed because that had all been just about 7 years ago now. I go to MD Anderson in Houston Texas and the doctors are all puzzled about my case, my main doctors knows what I did but will not admit that it is what helped me. Faith can do a lot of things for someone who believes

    Wishing you the best my friend
    Hondo

    website/ saves me typing all over!!!
    Hondo,

    My Doctors and just about every Dr. who has been exposed to my case call it a miracle that I am alive. With some of them it was a longer time coming, just because they knew I was going to die. If you go to my wesite: bradleydallasnorth.net and read my story and blogs it will help you understand my Faith, also. Dr.'s are human and they smart enough to know they don't know everything (normally older ones). My eye Dr. is a professor at Duke and he told me that he teaches every class about my case. He told me he tells them that when they think they know everything, read this!

    If you contact me through my website I will make arrangements for us to talk and share more of our Faith and stories.

    I hope to hear from you soon... (757-729-9740) IF anyone would like to talk, please call me.....

    You take care, also!!!
    David
  • PhillieG
    PhillieG Member Posts: 4,866 Member

    Oncology Report 1-10-2012
    Pet Scan revealled NO CANCER, anywhere in my body!!! Taliked with Radiology Oncologist this morning and he was shocked, amazed and full of joy, also. Both say I am a walking miracle! Thanks Phil for the encouraging words on Goliath!!!

    David

    :-)
    Great news David. Continued success!
    Phil
  • z
    z Member Posts: 1,414 Member

    Oncology Report 1-10-2012
    Pet Scan revealled NO CANCER, anywhere in my body!!! Taliked with Radiology Oncologist this morning and he was shocked, amazed and full of joy, also. Both say I am a walking miracle! Thanks Phil for the encouraging words on Goliath!!!

    David

    David
    Great News! I wish you continued great news. Lori