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  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    Buckwirth said:

    "i have met people who have far outlived their western doctors useby dates..." 

    Seems to me everyone here who got a "use by" date has outlived it. Those stories are a dime a dozen, and could be as related to the fact they all wore comfortable shoes....

    i hear your views as yours
    blake,

    we maybe the same height but our experiences and values seem to be very different.

    my aunty val was given 3 months and died that afternoon, about a year ago, its posted here lung cancer got her,

    my friend athol died of lung cancer and went downhill very fast, faster than he expected or we were told.

    i collect real life success and failure stories. did you see the post they are offering tcm out of the cancer center where i goto support groups.

    its your choice to walk past the tcm door and just goto the oncologist door. i went through both doors. we own our own choices here. you choice is yours, mine is mine. how much influence your decisions have on mine is a complex process. as you know i often read and listen to what you say, link. i sometimes agree, sometimes disagree. going through the thought processes and to some extent being challenged by alternative views helps me be focused.

    the value of the stories are a dim a dozen, my stories are so real they are price, they help me to be the survivor that i am, with the will, the discipline and the hope that together diet, exercise, tcm, supplements can help my body be as healthy as possible. synergy.

    hugs,
    pete
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    tanstaafl said:

    "...got cancer anyway"
    I don't worry so much about chemical residues on vegetables, not thrilled, try to keep them down, but it's the other much larger chemistry mistakes that bother me.

    mushrooms, onions salads, tomatoes everyday...got cancer anyway"
    Our diets themselves were and are so conflicted with major chemical mistakes, we are naifs lucky to dodge more than 2-3 bullets. If size of manufactured junk sections of the grocery stores translates to national diet, we're still in deep diet decline. Ditto weight gain and diabetes.

    We've been raised on misinformation, yielding diets that were loaded with oxidized polyunsaturated fats, transfats, sugars, starches, thermally altered carbs and proteins, antibiotics, hormone disruptors (container), rogue elements (e.g. mercury, cadmium, lead, aluminum, fluorine), chemicals in water (phenols, solvents, chloro-) and chronic meds while grossly depleted on essential nutrients like long chain omega-3s, vitamin D3, magnesium, B complex, probably vitamin K and other near vitamin-like substances. Our biology is impressive that we're not more sick, or extinct. We've been pushing out some (bio)chemical boundaries for a long time.

    We are only on the early edge of scientifically complete nutrition and toxicology, with nutrigenomics and metabolomics. The most important thing is to learn the best answers that we can, teach our kids, and help others.

    thanks tanstaafl
    great answer. i agree 100%.
    i get k2 from green vital.

    hugs,
    pete
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member

    i hear your views as yours
    blake,

    we maybe the same height but our experiences and values seem to be very different.

    my aunty val was given 3 months and died that afternoon, about a year ago, its posted here lung cancer got her,

    my friend athol died of lung cancer and went downhill very fast, faster than he expected or we were told.

    i collect real life success and failure stories. did you see the post they are offering tcm out of the cancer center where i goto support groups.

    its your choice to walk past the tcm door and just goto the oncologist door. i went through both doors. we own our own choices here. you choice is yours, mine is mine. how much influence your decisions have on mine is a complex process. as you know i often read and listen to what you say, link. i sometimes agree, sometimes disagree. going through the thought processes and to some extent being challenged by alternative views helps me be focused.

    the value of the stories are a dim a dozen, my stories are so real they are price, they help me to be the survivor that i am, with the will, the discipline and the hope that together diet, exercise, tcm, supplements can help my body be as healthy as possible. synergy.

    hugs,
    pete

    Here you go Pete
    A story for Pete

    A long term stage 4 survivor, and someone with a bit of vegetarian street cred.
  • Buckwirth
    Buckwirth Member Posts: 1,258 Member

    i hear your views as yours
    blake,

    we maybe the same height but our experiences and values seem to be very different.

    my aunty val was given 3 months and died that afternoon, about a year ago, its posted here lung cancer got her,

    my friend athol died of lung cancer and went downhill very fast, faster than he expected or we were told.

    i collect real life success and failure stories. did you see the post they are offering tcm out of the cancer center where i goto support groups.

    its your choice to walk past the tcm door and just goto the oncologist door. i went through both doors. we own our own choices here. you choice is yours, mine is mine. how much influence your decisions have on mine is a complex process. as you know i often read and listen to what you say, link. i sometimes agree, sometimes disagree. going through the thought processes and to some extent being challenged by alternative views helps me be focused.

    the value of the stories are a dim a dozen, my stories are so real they are price, they help me to be the survivor that i am, with the will, the discipline and the hope that together diet, exercise, tcm, supplements can help my body be as healthy as possible. synergy.

    hugs,
    pete

    Here you go Pete
    A story for Pete

    A long term stage 4 survivor, and someone with a bit of vegetarian street cred.
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    laurettas said:

    You're welcome, Pete
    For me, I cannot recommend something to my husband that hasn't had some track record of success. Everyone that I know personally that has tried an alternative method has died. Maybe they didn't do it right or waited too long or whatever, I don't know but they died. I have several family members and friends who have used conventional Western medicine and survived cancer. Not all but several. I probably have 12 members of my own family who have survived cancer so it wouldn't seem that twelve would be a large number to ask as a recommendation for any particular alternative treatment. If I am going on "faith" with no evidence of benefit, I will do nothing! It is much easier and I have heard of people whose cancer just spontaneously disappeared. I don't understand why that is such a controversial thing to ask for concrete evidence of success. To me it is common sense and scientific!

    uncommon and unscientific in some ways i am
    dear laurettas,

    we drive our own buses, we kick people off. we follow different routes, we even have different goals. if i drop dead in 10 seconds thats game set and match i have had a great life. i am practising the idea of detached gambling, experimenting on myself, following the advice of petria king and ian gawler to large extents, but to be honest upping the bet considerably. i just had a brussel sprout for dessert, have you ever chewed raw garlic ? it tastes like poison.

    we are all different, i recognise my approach as unique, but good for me.

    when i look at our society i don't see alot of common sense ie being fat kills, why beat crc and drop dead of stroke and heart attack. from where i see the good old western world not much common sense. our eating and drinking behaviour means we invite cancer, and a host of other illnesses. even being a healthy weight puts you into the minority now days.

    science is fantastic, but not perfect, it knows less 1% of what knowable.
    so before science was our beautiful planet, we were running around the forest eating apples and nuts and making babies. sounds pretty good to me.
    i see a huge benefit for me in hardcore vegan anticancer foods, undoing heart disease, living a longer life just and giving body the best chance to lower my crc recurrence risk and that of secondary cancers caused by chemo and radio and other sources of genetic damage.

    i just really like reading joel's book, its got scientific detail i like, i understand and sounds reasonable to me.

    your sweet caring about what you recommend for your husband, my wife confessed that she had a big chocolate bar and that she had broken our diet. did i jumped out of the bath and punched her out ? no. i just smiled and said was it nice, she smiled back!

    my life fighting cancer is fun, i enjoy juicing, and meditating under trees, discussing all the science with doctors and with other cancer patients and my friends and that includes everyone on forum 128.

    their is a big book on spontaneous remissions, its been studied in detail. really interesting read. survivors have some things in common. i have those attributes.

    i wish i had concrete evidence to give you, but i don't. i don't have the time to research all the references in joels book and then fight tooth and nail over each studies strong points and weaknesses. its enough that i am convinced for me.

    i have faith in god, in life, in myself, in my doctors. my faith covers all those areas that science does not cover.

    i bet on long shots, not sure things, i embrase uncertainty as its the nature of our existence. its so much fun running my own research project.

    it seems ironic that us crc's will inject some untried and untested experimental chemo drug rather than a hardcore anticancer diet and lifestyle regime.

    hugs,
    pete
  • laurettas
    laurettas Member Posts: 372

    uncommon and unscientific in some ways i am
    dear laurettas,

    we drive our own buses, we kick people off. we follow different routes, we even have different goals. if i drop dead in 10 seconds thats game set and match i have had a great life. i am practising the idea of detached gambling, experimenting on myself, following the advice of petria king and ian gawler to large extents, but to be honest upping the bet considerably. i just had a brussel sprout for dessert, have you ever chewed raw garlic ? it tastes like poison.

    we are all different, i recognise my approach as unique, but good for me.

    when i look at our society i don't see alot of common sense ie being fat kills, why beat crc and drop dead of stroke and heart attack. from where i see the good old western world not much common sense. our eating and drinking behaviour means we invite cancer, and a host of other illnesses. even being a healthy weight puts you into the minority now days.

    science is fantastic, but not perfect, it knows less 1% of what knowable.
    so before science was our beautiful planet, we were running around the forest eating apples and nuts and making babies. sounds pretty good to me.
    i see a huge benefit for me in hardcore vegan anticancer foods, undoing heart disease, living a longer life just and giving body the best chance to lower my crc recurrence risk and that of secondary cancers caused by chemo and radio and other sources of genetic damage.

    i just really like reading joel's book, its got scientific detail i like, i understand and sounds reasonable to me.

    your sweet caring about what you recommend for your husband, my wife confessed that she had a big chocolate bar and that she had broken our diet. did i jumped out of the bath and punched her out ? no. i just smiled and said was it nice, she smiled back!

    my life fighting cancer is fun, i enjoy juicing, and meditating under trees, discussing all the science with doctors and with other cancer patients and my friends and that includes everyone on forum 128.

    their is a big book on spontaneous remissions, its been studied in detail. really interesting read. survivors have some things in common. i have those attributes.

    i wish i had concrete evidence to give you, but i don't. i don't have the time to research all the references in joels book and then fight tooth and nail over each studies strong points and weaknesses. its enough that i am convinced for me.

    i have faith in god, in life, in myself, in my doctors. my faith covers all those areas that science does not cover.

    i bet on long shots, not sure things, i embrase uncertainty as its the nature of our existence. its so much fun running my own research project.

    it seems ironic that us crc's will inject some untried and untested experimental chemo drug rather than a hardcore anticancer diet and lifestyle regime.

    hugs,
    pete

    Thanks, Pete,
    for your reply. I understand and appreciate your opinion. I think that eating healthy and not being overweight are good things. However, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of people on what is healthy eating. I don't think we are designed to be vegetarians--too hard to get enough protein and other nutrients that way. I also believe that we should be able to live eating what is available to us locally and not have to buy things that have been grown or produced from thousands of miles away. My grandparents and many other relatives lived into their 80's and 90's and never bought exotic foods and supplements. So I know it is possible.

    You are also in a different position than many on this board. Many, like my husband, are staring at active cancer in their bodies. Lots of them are watching tumors growing and new ones coming periodically. Might give you a little different perspective if that is what you were facing.

    I don't think that asking for the cases of a dozen people who have overcome cancer by diet or TCM or whatever is a lot to ask. I could ask a lot of people and they could name many, I am sure, who have survived cancer using conventional medicine. Here is a short list for me: Mother, melanoma; Father, colon; cousin, esophageal; two aunts, breast; Mother-in-law, lymphoma. And then my husband who was cured by an act of God. I am sure there are more in my family that I am just not thinking of right now. And the list of friends and acquaintances would be much, much larger.

    Pete, I applaud you for losing the weight that you have. It is nothing but good for you and I need to lose quite a bit myself. I am sure that you feel years younger and can enjoy doing many more things. I have a brother who is about the weight that your were and he is missing out on a lot of life with his grandchildren because his weight limits what he can do. By the way he has been that way most of his life and is a smoker and still has no diseases at 63.

    I guess what I would ask of those who are into the "alternative" medicines is that if they cannot produce concrete examples of numerous people who have overcome cancer using their method, that they not post on cancer sites promoting their program as a cure for cancer. Maybe as a supplement to conventional treatment, if they know it is safe, but do not tell people that it controls cancer if they don't have the numbers to back it up. People with cancer have enough challenges without having to try and research whether something that someone is promoting is actually helpful.

    Thank you for this discussion. I really appreciate the civil manner in which we were able to discuss our differences--even during the full moon!
  • pete43lost_at_sea
    pete43lost_at_sea Member Posts: 3,900 Member
    laurettas said:

    Thanks, Pete,
    for your reply. I understand and appreciate your opinion. I think that eating healthy and not being overweight are good things. However, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of people on what is healthy eating. I don't think we are designed to be vegetarians--too hard to get enough protein and other nutrients that way. I also believe that we should be able to live eating what is available to us locally and not have to buy things that have been grown or produced from thousands of miles away. My grandparents and many other relatives lived into their 80's and 90's and never bought exotic foods and supplements. So I know it is possible.

    You are also in a different position than many on this board. Many, like my husband, are staring at active cancer in their bodies. Lots of them are watching tumors growing and new ones coming periodically. Might give you a little different perspective if that is what you were facing.

    I don't think that asking for the cases of a dozen people who have overcome cancer by diet or TCM or whatever is a lot to ask. I could ask a lot of people and they could name many, I am sure, who have survived cancer using conventional medicine. Here is a short list for me: Mother, melanoma; Father, colon; cousin, esophageal; two aunts, breast; Mother-in-law, lymphoma. And then my husband who was cured by an act of God. I am sure there are more in my family that I am just not thinking of right now. And the list of friends and acquaintances would be much, much larger.

    Pete, I applaud you for losing the weight that you have. It is nothing but good for you and I need to lose quite a bit myself. I am sure that you feel years younger and can enjoy doing many more things. I have a brother who is about the weight that your were and he is missing out on a lot of life with his grandchildren because his weight limits what he can do. By the way he has been that way most of his life and is a smoker and still has no diseases at 63.

    I guess what I would ask of those who are into the "alternative" medicines is that if they cannot produce concrete examples of numerous people who have overcome cancer using their method, that they not post on cancer sites promoting their program as a cure for cancer. Maybe as a supplement to conventional treatment, if they know it is safe, but do not tell people that it controls cancer if they don't have the numbers to back it up. People with cancer have enough challenges without having to try and research whether something that someone is promoting is actually helpful.

    Thank you for this discussion. I really appreciate the civil manner in which we were able to discuss our differences--even during the full moon!

    i know what you mean, i'll try and be an example, if gods willin
    i would not recommend what i am doing for me for my wife, we can only make our treatment decisions for our selves. i would suggest it be researched, and explain my reasons.

    with focus i believe super nutriticion is possible.

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    What are Mung Beans?

    Mung beans are part of the legume family and are a good source of protein. If they are combined with other cereals, a complete protein can be made. When sprouted, mung beans contain vitamin C that is not found in the bean itself.

    Health Benefits of Mung Beans
    Mung beans are rich in the following nutrients :

    • protein
    • vitamin C
    • folic acid or folate
    • iron
    • zinc
    • potassium
    • magnesium
    • copper
    • manganese
    • phosphorus
    • thiamine

    or breaky is mung beans, shitake mushies, steam tomatoes, lettce, brazil nuts, one organic free range egg and avocado. its an ok replacement for my fried eggs, bacon, hash browns and toast. a few here are heading down the food path as a treatment option.

    i believe i am giving my body the best chance to heal and fight cancer, lots of studies here and their again not widely accepted. no pressure on anyone here, i just like to talk about my experience with crcs,s. so many of the crc's here with symptoms like nerve damage may benefit, our heart, etc etc.

    i have noticed my transition to this my view of a healthier lifestyle over the 18 months since dx. often my treatment held back my diet, now i am finsihed and i hope for good.

    i am in the 5th set, in the wimbleton grand final i am ahead 5 games to love in the last set. nethertheless i cannot take my eye off the ball. i can still loose if i give crc a chance, he is a very tough foe.

    so i will never pressure , only suggest what i believe for me, thats enough, thats the still of this board. i can ask people to support me, i can share what i learn. i can invite people to contribute to my vegan clinical study that i am running on me. and just me. if others want to try it, that their decision.

    i have enjoyed our discussion as well. not everyone tries the newest drug available, just like not everyone tries, tcm, juicing or vegan. some of us do, i want to share experience.

    if we don't share, not preach then if something works we will miss out. the 7th day adventis are veg, they run the best integrative hospital in sydney where tcm if offered. i hope its possible to be healthy with this diet and life style.

    all i can do is try, got a scan coming up next week.

    hugs,
    pete

    Mung beans are also high in fibre, low in saturated fat, low in sodium, and contain no cholesterol. Because of the wide range of nutrients contained in mung beans, they offer a whole host of health benefits for the immune system, the metabolism, the heart and other organs, cell growth, protection against free radicals, and diseases such as cancer and diabetes.

    The folic acid, or folate as it is also known, that is contained in mung beans helps to lower the risk of heart disease, fights birth defects, contributes to normal cell growth, helps in the metabolism of proteins, and is essential for the formation of red blood cells and for healing processes in the body. Another B vitamin, thiamine, is needed to ensure that the nervous system functions properly. It is also important for releasing energy from carbohydrates. Manganese is a trace mineral that is key for energy production and antioxidant defenses. It is also necessary for the metabolism of carbohydrates, fats, and proteins, and can be helpful for the brain and nerves.

    Magnesium helps the veins and arteries to relax, lessening resistance and improving the flow of blood, oxygen, and nutrients throughout the body. Research has shown that a deficiency of magnesium is not only associated with a heart attack but that immediately following a heart attack, a lack of magnesium promotes free radical damage to the heart. The body requires copper in order to absorb iron and copper is also involved in the metabolism of protein. Iron helps to build resistance to stress and disease and it is essential for the formation of hemoglobin, which carries oxygen from the lungs to every cell in the body. It is also part of key enzyme systems for energy production and metabolism. Potassium is necessary for maintaining the acid-alkaline balance in the blood and for muscle contraction and a normal heart beat. Zinc is a well known immune system booster and can be helpful in fighting male infertility. Zinc aids healing processes in the body, growth, and tissue repair.

    Like all legumes, mung beans are very high in fibre – more so than fruits and vegetables and even better than wholegrains. The soluble fibre in mung beans captures cholesterol in the intestines, keeps it out of the blood stream, and carries it out of the body.

    Using Mung Beans
    Mung beans can be used in a variety of ways. They can be sprouted, cooked, or ground to make flour. In some Asian countries, it is made into a paste, sweetened, and used as a filling in pastries, and in some countries it is even made into ice cream and lollipops. Mung beans should be washed well to remove impurities. They also contain very few oligosaccharides, the sugars responsible for flatulence.

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    hugs,
    pete